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I think you may be in a strong minority of people who care that deeply about the semantics of the matter. Just enjoy the cool budget decks Balon's been pumping out. It's been making me want to start doing my own decklists after having fun making that Izzet list a while back.
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Framboise posted:Who is selling any precons anywhere for $20? My LGS circa 2006. To be fair, you also cannot buy this $45 deck for $45.
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Apr 1, 2023 00:39
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LeafHouse posted:My LGS circa 2006.   I guess it's not $45 if you include shipping and tax, but those prices are pulled from TCGPlayer. E: $2.60 of the deck price is from Basics, so you can lower the price a little more.
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Apr 1, 2023 00:58
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Batterypowered7 posted:$2.60 of the deck price is from Basics, so you can lower the price a little more. Regardless of any other feelings on the subject, from a technical standpoint, Moxfield does not put basics into the total cost unless you choose a printing specifically that is $1+ per land. You can test by adding/removing one.
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Apr 1, 2023 02:12
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Toshimo posted:Regardless of any other feelings on the subject, from a technical standpoint, Moxfield does not put basics into the total cost unless you choose a printing specifically that is $1+ per land. I know, I just meant I went into the cart and removed the basics and it knocked off ~$2.60. I just didn't bother taking a screenshot of that.
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Simone Poodoin posted:I really need one of these team up cards to be Avacyn or Gisela riding Zetalpa, mono white please so I can use it on my angel aggro Giada deck. There's only one other white legendary in Ixalan for Zetalpa to team up with and Galta already asked him to the dance.
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Apr 1, 2023 02:55
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Card concept check: Tokening 1 Instant Target nontoken creature becomes a token creature. Or Betoken'd 1 Enchantment When ~ ETB target nontoken creature becomes a token creature until ~ Leaves. Does this do anything or work in the rules? Not making a token copy, just assigning token penalties to a nontoken creature. Not sure if it's a good card, just curious if this would enable some weird combo of one of these + bounce to hand to destroy a creature instead. Or make it targetable for token-targetting cards or synergy.
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Apr 1, 2023 18:09
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"When this permanent goes to a graveyard from the battlefield, exile it from that graveyard." would probably be the proper templating for that effect. You can't make a non-token into a token in any reasonable way within the rules aside from replacement.
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Apr 1, 2023 18:34
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Exile target non-land permanent. Its controller creates a token copy of it. Probably something like that.
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Apr 1, 2023 18:39
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Khanstant posted:Card concept check: This would be like an un-set thing, because tokens aren't cards and cards aren't tokens. They'd have to redefined token as like a supertype, which they could do, but why?
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Apr 1, 2023 19:04
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Claire D'loon has an effect to turn tokens into cards, so I was wondering about the opposite as an incredibly narrow control spell. Sounds like the Tokening makes intuitive sense but not rules sense Oh well, thanks!
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Apr 1, 2023 19:23
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https://edhrec.com/chat there is a fun chat bot that will rate your deck. assuming it is an april Fool's sort of thing, but it did get the relative power levels of my decks correct.
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Apr 1, 2023 21:09
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Grevlek posted:https://edhrec.com/chat 7? https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Y8T4Kqh3cEeRjtsnyheitA I would rate this deck a 7 out of 10. The deck has a good mix of creatures, spells, and lands with a synergistic theme based around Rin and Seri's abilities. However, there are a few individual card choices which could be optimized, and some powerful cards that could be added to make the deck more competitive. Would you like suggestions for improving your deck? quote:Here are a few suggestions to consider when upgrading your Rin and Seri, Inseparable deck: 1 - Wrong those cards are garbage, the amount of ramp is probably within 5-10% of correct 2 - Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. Wrong. 3 - Correct, the deck deliberately isn't running tutors to make it less consistent and more "fun" and sort of mid/high 4 - Wrong. The deck has a lot of triggered card draw, which often also generate tokens, which can be turned into creatures and further draw for the triggers. I wouldn't necessarily expect a bot to get this. 5 - Wrong. The ramp requires basics and makes it less vulnerable to basic land hate, the pips required of colored mana on average are fairly low, there's not a good reason to run endless non-basics in every deck. 6 - Uh both of those cards are in the deck. Wrong. It rated divergent Brisela (i.e. a joke deck) 8/10, Opus Thief (one of the strongest cEDH decks) 9/10, cEDH Najeela 8/10 (said it couldn't understand the deck) Yuriko 8/10 (it also seemed to think that Yuriko actually wanted to cast Draco which is lol) Some of the cards included seem like they may not be helpful, and some of the card choices seem more geared towards a regular EDH deck rather than a Commander deck. I don't even know what that means. Anyway I think it's just running a correlation vs commonly used and "synergistic" cards, but "synergistic" cards according to EDH rec are those that are most associated with that commander but without being being played as much by other commanders. It does seem to be nearly universally recommending more ramp and interaction, which is just good in general. pseudanonymous fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Apr 1, 2023 |
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Apr 1, 2023 21:16
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I too miss the days when I would absentmindedly chew on my Ice Age cards during lunch for fiber. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YttSWwTxbKM
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Apr 1, 2023 21:33
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Yeah I'm sure it's a joke. I chose this deck at random: https://archidekt.com/decks/4271862 It looks to me like a very solid deck, but it only got a 7/10. "Needs more Commander synergy."
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Gynovore posted:Yeah I'm sure it's a joke. I chose this deck at random: https://archidekt.com/decks/4271862 The "A Poem For Your Shrine" button owns.
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Apr 1, 2023 23:11
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Gynovore posted:Yeah I'm sure it's a joke. I chose this deck at random: https://archidekt.com/decks/4271862 Last year it just gave every deck a 7,, so I'm not sure, the various texts were actually fairly different when i fed it various decks.
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Apr 1, 2023 23:13
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Jiro posted:I too miss the days when I would absentmindedly chew on my Ice Age cards during lunch for fiber. Arena changed the unsleeved card backs to old worn out cards for April fools, and I hope they let everyone use them forever
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Apr 1, 2023 23:25
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Same, the board is fun too. Definitely hope the card back in an option after. In general I would love more boards, part of why I goof in historic queue, the cool mysterious boards.
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Apr 1, 2023 23:27
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pseudanonymous posted:Last year it just gave every deck a 7,, so I'm not sure, the various texts were actually fairly different when i fed it various decks. It gave my Henzie Torre list a five, but suggested cards it already has. It gave Talrand a 7 and suggested things that specifically do not work.
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Apr 2, 2023 01:21
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It gave my Krark/Sakashima deck an 8. I'm so sad it didn't call it a 7.  That being said, I started dabbling with ChatGPT and asked it some cEDH-related questions. It's... terrifyingly astute? It makes a mistake here and there but it definitely knew what it was talking about. quote:Me: Like, it doesn't seem to explain how you'd want to build it for cEDH, but it's got a clear understanding of what the card does and what some good payoffs for it are.
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A friend of mine asked ChatGPT for ideas for a Purphoros deck and it offered up helpful things like "creatures that can enter the battlefield" and "enchantments like [lists three artifacts]" and token makers like [three mana rocks]. I imagine it might provide better answers for CEDH because there's probably more human-made content by people who know what they're doing, and the more general you get, the more it starts mimicking low-quality content-mine posts.
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I tried running the decks I posted to discord recently through it: • Tergrid: 8/10 - https://www.moxfield.com/decks/IzRv1xh3VEKtw8oLoy_pLQ - "Not enough removal. Also, add Oversold Cemetery" lmao. A deck with 6 creatures and Oversold Cemetery • Tivit Time Sieve ($50 Budget): 4/10 - https://www.moxfield.com/decks/w6KZNPI2cEuKy8SEydCa1w - It recommends me to add 6-8 cards already present in the deck. • Meria KCI ($150 Budget): 5/10 - https://www.moxfield.com/decks/6yvgSqAXjkCjZKbN8xXNFw - It incorrectly identifies Meria as "Merai" (which is not a card) and her color identity as WUG, which leads to completely incorrect analysis. • Tatsunari Druid Combo ($200 Budget): 4/10, 7/10 - https://www.moxfield.com/decks/J_YwUUXXCEC1wCeaaaqKow - It initially said 4/10, but I accidentally closed the tab and it said 7/10 the second time. Wants me to add Deathtouch equipment for "commander synergy" when my commander doesn't damage creatures and is evasive. Thinks I should use overruns and Blue Sun's Zenith as finishers. • Brokkos Infect ($100 Budget): 6/10 - https://www.moxfield.com/decks/D_MYWXvyH0y8M8jy2uGykg - It recommends to me half a dozen cards already in my deck. Then it tell me to add Leyline of the Void and Phyrexian Scriptures as alternate "win conditions", something both of those cards are absolutely not. • Gretchen Landfall ($150 Budget): 6/10 - https://www.moxfield.com/decks/NjSOt4iMwU-GQFOly2GUSA - It recommends Squandered Resources, which is illegal, and Natural Affinity, which is suicidal. It also recommends Rest in Peace (illegal) and Counterspell/Beast Within (fair). Overall, it seens to misidentify the deck (commander and/or color identity) fairly regularly, which leads to illegal recommendations. It also keeps telling me yo add cards I already have in. Even when it has those right, it recommends nonsensical adds, and regularly classifies bizarre cards as wincons. Rarely, it tells me to add fetches/shocks or some good staples (Counterspell/Beast Within) but it just as often tells me to add bad cards like Cultivate/Reach, so you can't trust anything it says. Neat concept, but it's miles from being usable, much less useful.
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Framboise posted:
Really? Winota puts humans into play when you attack with nonhumans. Literally every powerful card it listed is a non-human, which don't get cheated into play. Also the bot explains that it's based on combat damage, but, no, that's not correct either, it's when a non-human attacks. It's more a matter of taste, but impact tremors/anointed procession are also not great with her and not particularly explosive. What's brutal about wintoa is using heavy stax effects with her to keep your opponents from doing anything while you chew their life totals down. It's a Chinese room. It doesn't understand anything, and it's dangerous to assume that just because it can correlate a lot of things, what it's telling you is meaningful.
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Like I said, it made mistakes, but it still understood the gist of what you'd want to be doing. I'm not going to it for meaning or value, I just wanted to see what it came up with. I would have been really impressed if it understood that Winota is a stax deck and why that's good, but the answer I got was still enough to impress me coming from an AI in less than 10 seconds.
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ChatGPT "understands" the "gist" of gently caress-all, which is evident in how basically every sentence it says about Winota has dumb mistakes that even the most idiot magic player wouldn't make. Remember that it is just cutting up, recombining, and regurgitating text that it got from scouring the internet, which would presumably include tons of people talking about Winota in a way that isn't loving stupid. In light of that, it's kind of amazing how much it fucks up.
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Khanstant posted:Claire D'loon has an effect to turn tokens into cards, so I was wondering about the opposite as an incredibly narrow control spell. Sounds like the Tokening makes intuitive sense but not rules sense Claire D'loon is also specifically an unset card
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Claire D'loon is also specifically an unset card
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DontMockMySmock posted:ChatGPT "understands" the "gist" of gently caress-all, which is evident in how basically every sentence it says about Winota has dumb mistakes that even the most idiot magic player wouldn't make. Remember that it is just cutting up, recombining, and regurgitating text that it got from scouring the internet, which would presumably include tons of people talking about Winota in a way that isn't loving stupid. In light of that, it's kind of amazing how much it fucks up. Thank you for writing this so I don’t have to.
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Nehru the Damaja posted:Magic: The Gathering - "enchantments like [lists three artifacts]" 
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There is already a way to turn a physical card into a token, for what it's worth - you copy a mutate spell with Ivy, Gleeful Spellthief (or any copy effect that can change targets)
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So I thinned out my decks a bit yesterday, aiming to have fewer overlaps in color identity. Having freed up both staples and good mana bases a bit, I set out to tackle a few color identities I don't currently have in my collection. I spent some time going through what I have for legendaries and came up with: WG: Emiel the Blessed (ETB combo) WUB: Queza, Augur of Agonies (card advantage combo) WR: ??? (equipment aggro, probably modular commanders running Akiri/Bruse, Ardenn/Rogaghh, Reyav, or Bruenor) The equipment deck seems pretty straightforward, and is essentially an improved, updated version of an Akiri/Bruse deck I had built a few years ago and have regretted taking apart ever since. But my questions for the thread are: Is Emiel a good bet for ETB combo? I feel like with green's ramp, I can have enough mana to suitably abuse using her ability multiple times per turn and can set up a bunch of different win cons. This deck would almost entirely ignore her second ability and focus on ETB rather than counters. I'm just curious if anyone ITT has experience running Emiel or playing against her. Is Queza strong enough for "card draw tribal?" I would try to have nearly every (non-land) card in this deck draw me cards in some way, so between the intrinsic value of card advantage and her ability, is this a good bet? My feeling is that her ability might get her hated off the table, but I would be in blue with an insane amount of card advantage, so I can consistently hold up counterspells for removal. The life gain from her ability might keep me from getting hated off the table too. Lately I've been more and more hesitant of commanders that are too indiscriminate and get hated off the table too early/often, but Queza seems decently aggressive without being too much of a pain in the rear end. Thoughts?
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Railing Kill posted:Is Emiel a good bet for ETB combo? Yes this is basically every successful Emiel deck. Workhorse/Village Bell-ringer/Abdel Adrian/Brood Monitor + Cathars' Crusade/Ashnod's Altar/Hardened Scales etc. Railing Kill posted:Is Queza strong enough for "card draw tribal?" No. If you drew every single card in your deck, it wouldn't be enough to kill everyone, and it would be a miserable process.
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Toshimo posted:Yes this is basically every successful Emiel deck. No, silly. Then you cast Thassa's Oracle.
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Mairsil the Pretender looks fun. I assume the plan is flicker, clone, and resummon him a bunch to cage a ton of stuff with powerful activated abilities. Do people tend to go all in with him trying to get a combo win, just outvalue everyone to death, or is there a plan to do some more traditional combat win?
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I have a budget ($50-70) casual Queza deck that's eked out some wins and is pretty fun, but I can't imagine having a good time playing it by just exclusively going card draw effects on every single card. The only "win-con" I have revolving around card draw is Enter the Infinite, which I happened to have lying around. Drogskol Reaver or Peer into the Abyss would probably be better if you want to go that route, but I haven't, since I've found it's more fun to synergize the life drain as well as card draw based tokens/+1/+1 counters to go tall.
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Toshimo posted:No. If you drew every single card in your deck, it wouldn't be enough to kill everyone, and it would be a miserable process. Counterpoint: actually it is fun and I've killed everyone this way before I have the Drogskol combo in there, which is fun, but it's way more satisfying to just wheel everyone to death in one turn. Or Teferi's Puzzle Box, but that puts a target on my back real hard. I've found it's all about timing. Don't need to do 120 points of damage if you get other players to whittle that number down just a bit 
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Apr 2, 2023 17:59
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Johnny Truant posted:Don't need to do 120 points of damage if you get other players to whittle that number down just a bit There are plenty of decks that don't care about anyone else's life total or only care on the turn they win.
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Ego Trip posted:There are plenty of decks that don't care about anyone else's life total or only care on the turn they win. *thoracle intensifies*
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I probably won't go the Labman/Thoracle route, and in hindsight I was probably exaggerating when I said every card would draw cards. It would be a lot, but also combo synergies and maybe stuff to capitalize on the lifegain side of her ability too. Toshimo expressed the concern that's in the back of my mind, but I think if I keep it in mind and build more ways to do damage and/or combo off and not just durdle around drawing cards, it might be doable.
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