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3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

I know I've mentioned this before, but the more Marquez I read, the more I'm puzzled by how and why he could write such a piece of poo poo as Cien años de soledad, a book that is objectively not only his worst, (so far) but a poo poo book altogether.

I think I still have eleven books to go so we'll see I guess.

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Jrbg
May 20, 2014

The best percival everetts are 'erasure' and 'I am not sidney poitier'

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

3D Megadoodoo posted:

I know I've mentioned this before, but the more Marquez I read, the more I'm puzzled by how and why he could write such a piece of poo poo as Cien años de soledad, a book that is objectively not only his worst, (so far) but a poo poo book altogether.

I think I still have eleven books to go so we'll see I guess.

source your quotes

CestMoi
Sep 16, 2011

i have been reading Don Quixote (spanish accent)

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

CestMoi posted:

i have been reading Don Quixote (spanish accent)

Oh I love Don Keyshot.

mdemone
Mar 14, 2001

3D Megadoodoo posted:

I know I've mentioned this before, but the more Marquez I read, the more I'm puzzled by how and why he could write such a piece of poo poo as Cien años de soledad, a book that is objectively not only his worst, (so far) but a poo poo book altogether.

I think I still have eleven books to go so we'll see I guess.

Smoking Crow
Feb 14, 2012

*laughs at u*

Hey guys I'm back did I miss anything while I was gone

Take the plunge! Okay!
Feb 24, 2007



This is the Cartarescu thread now, not much else. Read anything good lately?

Heath
Apr 30, 2008

🍂🎃🏞️💦

Smoking Crow posted:

Hey guys I'm back did I miss anything while I was gone

For the last time, no

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

Smoking Crow posted:

Hey guys I'm back did I miss anything while I was gone

wb, what have you been reading for the last 8 years

Mokelumne Trekka
Nov 22, 2015

Soon.

Smoking Crow posted:

Hey guys I'm back did I miss anything while I was gone

this monster you created has given me many good book recommendations. thank you.

except for Aquarium. that book sucked.

Smoking Crow
Feb 14, 2012

*laughs at u*

ulvir posted:

wb, what have you been reading for the last 8 years

lately it's been gene wolfe and the divine comedy on audiobook

Mokelumne Trekka posted:

this monster you created has given me many good book recommendations. thank you.

except for Aquarium. that book sucked.

that's mel mudkiper's recc not mine

Jrbg
May 20, 2014

Been reading the crock of gold by james stephens, which is great, especially if you enjoyed at swim-two-birds and the third policeman by flann o'brien. Not quite as 'postmodern' as those but definitely fun

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Calvino was too in love with the structure of Invisible Cities. It's neat to see symmetry in a work, or potential restructuring by the reader, but it came at the detriment to exploring the world's he was creating in the cities. A novel with ten city-worlds or five, each explored in depth the most absurd conclusions would be far better. It almost feels more like a book of writing prompts, a single morsel that I then have to go and flesh out myself.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Gaius Marius posted:

Calvino was too in love with the structure of Invisible Cities. It's neat to see symmetry in a work, or potential restructuring by the reader, but it came at the detriment to exploring the world's he was creating in the cities. A novel with ten city-worlds or five, each explored in depth the most absurd conclusions would be far better. It almost feels more like a book of writing prompts, a single morsel that I then have to go and flesh out myself.

Sounds like you want "YA fantasy", not real literature, OP.

fridge corn
Apr 2, 2003

NO MERCY, ONLY PAIN :black101:
Too many worlds and not enough building 😪

Lampsacus
Oct 21, 2008

couple pages back somebody mentioned the book of disquiet.

i love that book! i love that author! what a guy! If you went to school in Portugal you would know all about him. And probably hate him because Pessoa was studied to death, according to a few different people I've met who grew up there.

If you ever go to Lisbon, you get to sit next to the fella at his classic favourite cafe


anyway, his poetry rules. If you want to go all Literature then read The Year of the Death of Ricardo Reis. One of the best books Pessoa ever wrote in which he both absolutely did not write it and also never really wrote anything he did. What a guy. Look! He liked to wear this hat and glasses and its extremely cool and iconic and people in Portugal dress up like him for costume parties and make puppets and poo poo its brilliant




also how i am JUST LEARNING there is a fricking board game based around him haha!
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/309728/pessoa
also lol here is tom vasel of dice tower podcast explaining some of the basics of Pessoa as he describes the board game lmao https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rT7gqQW9kU

anyway Pessoa rules, disquiet rules but i would really recommend his poetry if you can get your hands on some at a 2nd hand book shop.

Lampsacus fucked around with this message at 12:46 on Apr 4, 2023

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

i’ve read book of disquiet and selected poems of alberto caeiro. it sucks that it isn’t too easy to get a hold of his works in translation, but what can you do

Lisbon owns as well, easily one of my favourites

derp
Jan 21, 2010

when i get up all i want to do is go to bed again

Lipstick Apathy
a little larger than the entire universe and the complete works of caeiro are so good, but yeah, hard to find much else in translation. i do have disquiet but have not read it yet. those two books of poems though, are some of the first times i ever really LOVED poetry.

Lampsacus
Oct 21, 2008

Heck yeah! Ohh 😯 to visit Lisbon one day 🕺

Lamare
Mar 7, 2014

Lampsacus posted:

anyway Pessoa rules, disquiet rules but i would really recommend his poetry if you can get your hands on some at a 2nd hand book shop.

I had no idea who this Pessoa guy was a minute ago and i'm already a fan. I just checked and there's some translations in French, hell yeah

lifg
Dec 4, 2000
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Muldoon

Patrick Spens
Jul 21, 2006

"Every quarterback says they've got guts, But how many have actually seen 'em?"
Pillbug
Any recommendations for translations for the The Illiad?

Meaty Ore
Dec 17, 2011

My God, it's full of cat pictures!

I think most people regard Richmond Lattimore's translation as the best.

Take the plunge! Okay!
Feb 24, 2007



Fagles for contemporary, Chapman for best overall IMO

blue squares
Sep 28, 2007

I’m waiting for Frank Miller to do it

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

I ended up with fagles' translation of illiad, and lattimore's odyssey and enjoyed them both

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Otto Manninen.

E: just confirmed it's the ONLY translation. 104 years and still going strong. I only have the book in Swedish so maybe I should invest like 6€ and get a copy.

3D Megadoodoo fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Apr 8, 2023

surf rock
Aug 12, 2007

We need more women in STEM, and by that, I mean skateboarding, television, esports, and magic.
Finished Lapvona by Ottessa Moshfegh this morning.

Unfortunately, it's mostly just dull and sometimes obnoxious misery porn. I found the setting and characters interesting at first, but that wore off real quick. Humor and insights come and go; they certainly don't stick around for long. There's a lot of material that kind of looks like an allegory if you squint and tilt your head, but it's either flat or illusory. The book feels like it was written by the lead in My Year of Rest and Relaxation during one of her blackouts. Just a grotesque, misanthropic, who-gives-a-poo poo-about-anything-because-I-certainly-don't trudge through the muck.

I don't think reading a book has ever given me as poor of an impression as its author as this one. I just watched an interview she did with John Waters, and that helped a little, but I still can't recommend this book at all. However, here's the one line in the whole book I sincerely loved:

"What about heaven, Ina? Don't you want to go?"

"It doesn't matter," she said. "I won't know anyone."

Mr. Nemo
Feb 4, 2016

I wish I had a sister like my big strong Daddy :(
Just finished Nostalgia's "Mentardy" by Cartarescu. People weren't kidding when they said one could tell this was a more "immature" Cartarescu. So many elements that would be perfected later on in Blinding or Nostalgia. Descriptions of the apartment, the child storyteller.

The Roulette Player was amusing.

Excited for his reading this Friday.

Segue
May 23, 2007

surf rock posted:

Finished Lapvona by Ottessa Moshfegh this morning.

...

I don't think reading a book has ever given me as poor of an impression as its author as this one.[/i]

Ottessa Moshfegh's continued success is baffling. I've yet to meet anyone who enjoys her books and the couple I've read just retread the same nihilistic misery porn as other trite modern "classics". She's basically an edgy writer who dresses up scatology and people pretend it's insightful.

If you're gonna go with misery porn at least do Fernanda Melchor, the modern master.

Also if you want a nice warm hug of gorgeous short stories, Deesha Philyaw's The Secret Lives of Church Ladies was a surprisingly wonderful collection on love, family and Blackness I highly recommend.

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

oh poo poo, a norwegian translation of Herscht 07769 just got out

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Fabrice in The Charterhouse of Parma has got to be a top ten written character as well as a tope ten for most frustrating to read. Man has enough introspection to investigate his internal feelings, but so little intelligence, experience, and emotional navigational skills that he does nothing but misread and misinterpret everything both he himself and everyone else does. It's an entire Novel about that one friend you have whom everyone loves, but who's so enamored with whatever passing fancy strikes that he is constantly falling into the most neon marked pitfalls.

Very frustrating and fun.

Jrbg
May 20, 2014

Reading glyph by percival everett, and it's very much of its time (genius baby with 400IQ relentlessly mocks his poststructuralist dad), but it's also good fun and brilliantly written

Syncopated
Oct 21, 2010

Segue posted:

Ottessa Moshfegh's continued success is baffling. I've yet to meet anyone who enjoys her books and the couple I've read just retread the same nihilistic misery porn as other trite modern "classics". She's basically an edgy writer who dresses up scatology and people pretend it's insightful.

If you're gonna go with misery porn at least do Fernanda Melchor, the modern master.

Also if you want a nice warm hug of gorgeous short stories, Deesha Philyaw's The Secret Lives of Church Ladies was a surprisingly wonderful collection on love, family and Blackness I highly recommend.

Seconding Melchor, though I’ve only read Hurricane Season, which was great. Is the rest as good?

Also I’ve been thinking about if I need to read Moshfegh just to see what the hype is about singe I keep seeing her name even here in Sweden, but maybe not then?

Syncopated fucked around with this message at 11:47 on May 16, 2023

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

just started on the gospel according to jesus christ by saramago

its good stuff

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

drat near broke my neck going from Blood Meridian to Remains of the Day. Remains is way funnier than I would've thought. There's a part in Fawlty Towers where Cleese can't hang up a portrait, and that's kinda how I imagine the butler is living constantly. With a little less hystericity.

Criminal Minded
Jan 4, 2005

Spring break forever
drat, RIP Martin Amis, a favorite of mine

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Criminal Minded posted:

drat, RIP Martin Amis, a favorite of mine

My first thought was "oh another one I thought died like twenty years ago?!?" but turns out that was Kingsley Amis and I've never heard of Martin Amis.

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Gleisdreieck
May 6, 2007

Segue posted:

Ottessa Moshfegh's continued success is baffling. I've yet to meet anyone who enjoys her books and the couple I've read just retread the same nihilistic misery porn as other trite modern "classics". She's basically an edgy writer who dresses up scatology and people pretend it's insightful.

If you're gonna go with misery porn at least do Fernanda Melchor, the modern master.

Also if you want a nice warm hug of gorgeous short stories, Deesha Philyaw's The Secret Lives of Church Ladies was a surprisingly wonderful collection on love, family an Blackness I highly recommend.

The only book I've read from Moshfegh is "My Year of Rest and Relaxation" and I loved it, couldn't put it down. I wouldn't call it insightful, but it was a lot of fun and the concepts lingered in my mind for weeks.

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