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How normal is it for someone to avoid mugshot, handcuffs and a cell? I understand rich white people experience a different form of justice in the US, and I also understand that being an ex president adds so many complexities with the Secret Service etc. Is this unique treatment?
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Apr 4, 2023 01:48
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Fukkin two-tiered justice system
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Apr 4, 2023 01:49
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Maybe because you don't need a mugshot to know what he looks like? I feel robbed though
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Apr 4, 2023 01:52
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Me in 2023 - "As great as it would be to see those things happen, it will all be paraded as "scoring political points" and is probably better to just not do." Me in 2027 - "I can't loving believe they handcuffed the former president out in public like that, the loving psychos, why didn't we do that poo poo to trump when we had the chance"
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Apr 4, 2023 01:52
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fuctifino posted:How normal is it for someone to avoid mugshot, handcuffs and a cell? I understand rich white people experience a different form of justice in the US, and I also understand that being an ex president adds so many complexities with the Secret Service etc. Not being held pre-trial is extremely common. If you are allowed to turn yourself in and be released on your own recognizance or pay bail, then you don't usually get handcuffed either. Not getting a mugshot for felonies is very unusual, but the point of the mugshot is primarily to have a photo on file to identify defendants. Probably not necessary for someone to need photos of Trump to identify him.
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Apr 4, 2023 01:56
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Not getting a mugshot for felonies is very unusual, but the point of the mugshot is primarily to have a photo on file to identify defendants. Probably not necessary for someone to need photos of Trump to identify him. I mean there's gotta be a file created at some point in the process, are they just going to paste his presidential portrait there or something?
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Apr 4, 2023 02:20
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Lmaoooooooo
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Apr 4, 2023 02:22
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AvesPKS posted:I mean there's gotta be a file created at some point in the process, are they just going to paste his presidential portrait there or something? Submit your best Trump photo to put in the file I'll get the obvious one out of the way recognize that can anywhere
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Apr 4, 2023 02:27
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AvesPKS posted:I mean there's gotta be a file created at some point in the process, are they just going to paste his presidential portrait there or something? Most criminal history files are electronic in CJIS/NCIC. CJIS/NCIC is also ancient mainframe software that does not include media. Mugshot policy is handled at the state level (some states have public mugshot websites, some ban mugshots from being made public, and some require the defendant to agree to release them). Generally, states will have their own case management or records system that includes mugshots or just links to their driver's license page - which includes their DMV picture.
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Apr 4, 2023 02:29
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Sucks we don't get a mugshot, but I heard an interview on I think BBC or something where the pro-Tromp guy was saying that having a public mugshot would be a good thing because it would be instantly become the best selling merch. So in that sense, I guess it's good he doesn't get a picture he can slap on t-shirts?
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Apr 4, 2023 02:39
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Boris Galerkin posted:Sucks we don't get a mugshot, but I heard an interview on I think BBC or something where the pro-Tromp guy was saying that having a public mugshot would be a good thing because it would be instantly become the best selling merch. So in that sense, I guess it's good he doesn't get a picture he can slap on t-shirts? It would be public property though so anyone could use it. How much would that annoy him? To see his face everywhere but he doesn’t get paid for it? I bet he’d seethe about it the rest of his life.
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Apr 4, 2023 02:44
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cr0y posted:Lmaoooooooo So obviously Trump just leaked his indictment.
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Apr 4, 2023 02:46
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skeleton warrior posted:I don’t think they rebuilt the WTC towers, though I feel dumb because I can think of a million things that pilot could do, but there isn't one that's a super obvious apex. If there weren't innocent people aboard I guess I'd say a loop de loop takeoff that drills right into Mar a Lago.
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Apr 4, 2023 02:46
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Murgos posted:So obviously Trump just leaked his indictment. Honestly I'm impressed he hadn't until now. I was half expecting that when I got up on Friday.
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Apr 4, 2023 02:53
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I don't see any specifics online, so I think he's making it up like he does literally everything.
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Apr 4, 2023 03:06
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Please indict yourself 🥺
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Apr 4, 2023 03:13
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I accidentally indicated myself instead, please advise.
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Apr 4, 2023 04:21
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Isn't Trump the guy that said cops shouldn't do the thing where they protect the person's head when they're putting them in the cop car? Just sayin it's kinda hosed up we don't at least get to see him in cuffs. Not just from two-tiered justice perspective, but like, karmically.
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Apr 4, 2023 04:34
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Oxyclean posted:Isn't Trump the guy that said cops shouldn't do the thing where they protect the person's head when they're putting them in the cop car? yeah uh if you want justice or karmic balance don't look to the criminal court system
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Apr 4, 2023 05:01
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Or any of the Trump cases specifically either.
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Apr 4, 2023 05:24
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fuctifino posted:How normal is it for someone to avoid mugshot, handcuffs and a cell? I understand rich white people experience a different form of justice in the US, and I also understand that being an ex president adds so many complexities with the Secret Service etc. Well, to be fair, with him being an ex-president, this is all new territory, and I wonder if part of it is trying to avoid anything that tries to shame him - they don't want to give him more reasons for appeal. Supposedly, the Secret Service have nothing to do with the process. https://twitter.com/JDWackrow/status/1641610291472396288
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Apr 4, 2023 05:31
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cr0y posted:Lmaoooooooo No indict, no indict! You're indicted. You're indicted.
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Apr 4, 2023 05:54
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Red posted:
I'm beginning to think he delayed a little so he could be arraigned on a Tuesday and still be right.
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Apr 4, 2023 06:11
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trump blamed the secret service for not visiting that american cemetery and...i think the john mccain boat thing? he's blamed them for several things.
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Apr 4, 2023 07:22
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Cameras will be allowed in beforehand but blocked during. Because Trump lawyers do not want a 'circus like atmosphere'. https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1643075287582744576
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Apr 4, 2023 07:49
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Red posted:Well, to be fair, with him being an ex-president, this is all new territory, and I wonder if part of it is trying to avoid anything that tries to shame him - they don't want to give him more reasons for appeal. It doesn't strike me as these are mutually exclusive. It's possible that upon learning the details of the surrender, the Secret Service asked for more time to go over their security plans/requirements. Which i feel like the Manhattan DA's office would accommodate.
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Apr 4, 2023 07:56
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OgNar posted:Cameras will be allowed in beforehand but blocked during. Isn't "no cameras during the trial" the norm though? It seems like it was just the past few years where they were allowed it and that was mostly due to Covid.
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Apr 4, 2023 11:20
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Oxyclean posted:Isn't Trump the guy that said cops shouldn't do the thing where they protect the person's head when they're putting them in the cop car? YEs. He also still maintains that the central park five are guilty Mellow Seas posted:No indict, no indict! You're indicted. You're indicted. Stop indicting yourself. Stop indicting yourself. Stop indicting yourself.
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Apr 4, 2023 11:55
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OgNar posted:Cameras will be allowed in beforehand but blocked during. Nobody in the courtroom wants a circus atmosphere except Trump himself. Everyone else would prefer to be talking to the judge, not the cameras.
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Apr 4, 2023 12:43
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I had to google the word “indict” to make sure it was spelled right. It’s just one of those words that look wrong the more times you read it.
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Apr 4, 2023 12:59
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Oxyclean posted:Isn't Trump the guy that said cops shouldn't do the thing where they protect the person's head when they're putting them in the cop car? He's also the guy that said that anyone who pleads the Fifth should be considered guilty - and then went on to plead the Fifth himself a couple of hundred times during questioning.
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Apr 4, 2023 13:05
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Red posted:Well, to be fair, with him being an ex-president, this is all new territory, and I wonder if part of it is trying to avoid anything that tries to shame him - they don't want to give him more reasons for appeal. Emphasis mine. The thing is, it shouldn't be. He's a common civilian, being indicted for a civilian crime in a civilian court system. If we're serious about being a nation of laws, then the law must apply equally to all of us, regardless of social station or prior or even current office. I realize full-well that our justice system is too often unjust, but we propagate that injustice when we give any credence to the idea that "this is all new territory." There's no new case law being written here.
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Apr 4, 2023 13:17
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kiimo posted:Submit your best Trump photo to put in the file I'll get the obvious one out of the way Dude, I just woke up and this is how you want me to start my day? C'mon man, show some respect.
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Apr 4, 2023 14:01
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For those wondering about felonies, their potential sentences, etc.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classes_of_offenses_under_United_States_federal_law A Class E felony is 1-5 years, max $250k fine, and 1 year of probation. Assuming he's convicted, it's at least a year in (federal) prison. The most damaging case scenario is that he is ordered to serve time consecutively for any convictions rendered. but he won't be convicted or sentenced to any time because lol at this justice system
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Apr 4, 2023 14:09
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IT BURNS posted:For those wondering about felonies, their potential sentences, etc.: Your legal analysis is so valuable when you don't even know the difference between federal and state prosecutions.
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Apr 4, 2023 14:11
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Cimber posted:Dude, I just woke up and this is how you want me to start my day? C'mon man, show some respect. No-one's forcing you to jack off, jeez 
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Apr 4, 2023 14:18
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Barry Foster posted:No-one's forcing you to jack off, jeez Thanks Joe Biden.
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Apr 4, 2023 14:25
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V-Men posted:It doesn't strike me as these are mutually exclusive. It's possible that upon learning the details of the surrender, the Secret Service asked for more time to go over their security plans/requirements. Which i feel like the Manhattan DA's office would accommodate. Or, let's be honest, Donnie just made that up as an excuse to stall as much as possible
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Apr 4, 2023 14:41
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IT BURNS posted:For those wondering about felonies, their potential sentences, etc.: Those are federal charges. He's being charged at the state level. The sentences are similar, but NYS uses Class E felonies for charges that would otherwise be a misdemeanor, but were committed as part of a larger underlying crime. Not clear what larger underlying crime the DA is alleging right now.
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Apr 4, 2023 14:56
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IT BURNS posted:For those wondering about felonies, their potential sentences, etc.: Pictured here: the dangers of providing very free legal advice Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Those are federal charges. He's being charged at the state level. The sentences are similar, but NYS uses Class E felonies for charges that would otherwise be a misdemeanor, but were committed as part of a larger underlying crime. There are regular class E felonies as well. They're not all necessarily aggravated misdemeanors Grip it and rip it fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Apr 4, 2023 |
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