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Salvor_Hardin posted:That does pose an interesting question. Would prime LeBron + 4 replacement level G-leaguers make the playoffs? For this experiment let's assume LeBron can play 48 minutes a game so the team isn't like -25 in the 15 minutes he doesn't play. Replacement level G-leaguers are a lot worse than people think. People act like J.R. Smith and co. are awful players but they were mostly plus guys. Being forced to field even a single G-league average guy would ruin a lot of teams. Maybe Bron could carry two, four is impossible. Bron would score 60 points and still lose day after day.
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euphronius posted:how do you figure ? He scores a whole lot, really efficiently. That is a valuable skill. According to the official NBA rules, the team that scores more points actually wins the game, even if they didn't have the tallest guy.
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Vox Nihili posted:He scores a whole lot, really efficiently. That is a valuable skill. According to the official NBA rules, the team that scores more points actually wins the game, even if they didn't have the tallest guy. he’s doesn’t play defense (he can’t ) and his skills can be found all over . if he was 6 7 then yes ok I see you going to Lebron he won 2 finals games with this guys  goat I mean that is jr smith, TT and some guys
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euphronius posted:he’s doesn’t play defense (he can’t ) and his skills can be found all over . if he was 6 7 then yes ok I see you His skills can't be found all over. That's a very silly thing to say, even for a profoundly dishonest and ignorant person like yourself.
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Vox Nihili posted:He scores a whole lot, really efficiently. That is a valuable skill. According to the official NBA rules, the team that scores more points actually wins the game, even if they didn't have the tallest guy. would you say it’s one of the most valuable skills?
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Portland has a bad offense and a horrid defense so it does t look like the 6 foot point guards value is translating to real world results a similar story happened in San Francisco recently
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Vox Nihili posted:Replacement level G-leaguers are a lot worse than people think. People act like J.R. Smith and co. are awful players but they were mostly plus guys. Being forced to field even a single G-league average guy would ruin a lot of teams. Maybe Bron could carry two, four is impossible. Bron would score 60 points and still lose day after day. A better question would be "since LeBron came into the league, has there been a team that if you added Prime LeBron, he wouldn't carry to them to the playoffs?" and the answer is no, no there is not. Okay maybe not the 11-12 Charlotte Bobcats, but any other team definitely.
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euphronius posted:Portland has a bad offense and a horrid defense so it does t look like the 6 foot point guards value is translating to real world results Portland didn’t win four nba championships
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Azathoth posted:A better question would be "since LeBron came into the league, has there been a team that if you added Prime LeBron, he wouldn't carry to them to the playoffs?" and the answer is no, no there is not. Okay maybe not the 11-12 Charlotte Bobcats, but any other team definitely. were the 11-12 bobcats worse than last year’s nuggets minus Jokic? if so, by how much?
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kingcobweb posted:Portland didn’t win four nba championships ok, when did portland win 4 nba championships?
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euphronius posted:Portland has a bad offense and a horrid defense so it does t look like the 6 foot point guards value is translating to real world results Ideally you would pair good offensive players with good defensive players. Portland has always had a very poor roster that's totally reliant on Dame scoring a billion points to win games. These days they are more or less just a dumping ground for busts from big-name teams. Unless you have a Prime LeBron level guy you need at least two other really talented players on your side to win a championship, plus five or so solid roleplayers. Blazers have never come particularly close to that. euphronius posted:a similar story happened in San Francisco recently Winning a title is pretty far beyond anything the Blazers have done of late. I guess they did make the conference finals a few years back.
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Azathoth posted:A better question would be "since LeBron came into the league, has there been a team that if you added Prime LeBron, he wouldn't carry to them to the playoffs?" and the answer is no, no there is not. Okay maybe not the 11-12 Charlotte Bobcats, but any other team definitely. Yeah you'd really have to dig to find teams that would still lose after adding Prime LeBron. Even tanking teams usually have a few talented guys.
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kingcobweb posted:were the 11-12 bobcats worse than last year’s nuggets minus Jokic? if so, by how much? jokic is a good example . he’s like dame but tall, so his team wins regular season games
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kingcobweb posted:were the 11-12 bobcats worse than last year’s nuggets minus Jokic? if so, by how much? The 11-12 Bobcats had two players with a VORP above 0: Kemba Walker and Derrick Brown. Brown was a young rotation guy for them who never played in the NBA after that season. Denver last year has 7 (6+Jokic). The Bobcats won 7 games and it's a minor miracle they won that many. Basically imagine the Nuggets from last year but anyone better than Bones Hyland is out for the season and you've got the 11-12 Bobcats.
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The amount of disrespect on Dame is nauseating.
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if he ever did anything it'd be less nauseating but Portland never built anything around him
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I think everyone here should agree on what teams and players are good
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Woke Mind Virus posted:I think everyone here should agree on what teams and players are good ill start. the celtics are good & every current celtics player is good. i think we can all agree on that much
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euphronius posted:he’s doesn’t play defense (he can’t ) and his skills can be found all over . if he was 6 7 then yes ok I see you Shumpert was good enough to be a starter on the thrice playoff-bound Knicks before that year and he could give you solid 3 and D play sometimes. Mozgov and Delly I'll give you but even Mozgov was a starter on the failing Denver Nuggets. Not quite G-league Agree with Lebron being the GOAT
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yeah i agree lebron is hte best player of all time if time starts in the year 2000
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fart simpson posted:yeah i agree lebron is hte best player of all time if time starts in the year 2000 Good guards didn't exist in the 1990s so MJ basically had no competition. It was a PF/C league Kenny the Jet Smith was the 3rd highest scoring PG in the playoffs in 1993 at 15 ppg The only guard who could defend MJ was Gary Payton. Also idgaf about handchecking or whatever the excuse is, the pace of the game was slow as hell
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Woke Mind Virus posted:I think everyone here should agree on what teams and players are good jokic is good
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i propose we have a tournament between all the teams in the top half or so of the standings to determine which team is the best
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Yossarian-22 posted:Good guards didn't exist in the 1990s so MJ basically had no competition. It was a PF/C league what about magic johnson
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ex post facho posted:if he ever did anything it'd be less nauseating but Portland never built anything around him Treating Dame like he is some above average player because he’s “only” been to the WCF is some midday ESPN-level hot take.
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Mean Baby posted:Treating Dame like he is some above average player because he’s “only” been to the WCF is some midday ESPN-level hot take. would it help you if I said he’s as good as Steph curry
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fart simpson posted:what about magic johnson Out of the league because of HIV after 1990-1991 until 1995-1996, and by the time he faced MJ in the 1991 finals the Lakers didn't have Kareem
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euphronius posted:would it help you if I said he’s as good as Steph curry He's better than Embiid because he's actually been to a conference finals
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Yossarian-22 posted:Out of the league because of HIV after 1990-1991 until 1995-1996, and by the time he faced MJ in the 1991 finals the Lakers didn't have Kareem i think he was a good guard who played in the 1990s
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Yossarian-22 posted:He's better than Embiid because he's actually been to a conference finals it really is that simple
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Yossarian-22 posted:He's better than Embiid because he's actually been to a conference finals wow your right I’ve never thought about it like that. huh
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Shear Modulus posted:i propose we have a tournament between all the teams in the top half or so of the standings to determine which team is the best that would be great unfortunately the nba doesn’t do that I am assuming you mean get rid of conferences
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Dame is less valuable than other superstars by virtue of the fact that he’s never going to leave despite years of playing on humiliating games teams. Why pay him the max if he’s going to take less to play on dogshit Blazer teams?
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kingcobweb posted:were the 11-12 bobcats worse than last year’s nuggets minus Jokic? if so, by how much? yes..by about 8, by my calculations.
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Dame simply enjoys the Portland lifestyle and is willing to prioritize it over petty financial concerns and y'know what I applaud him for it
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