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7c Nickel posted:I accidentally indicated myself instead, please advise.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:
The campaign finance violations, IIRC.
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 oooh he postin
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V-Men posted:The campaign finance violations, IIRC. That is what is assumed, but it hasn't been made public yet. Also, there were reports that the prosecutors were probing about Karen McDougal during the grand jury and the possibility that they are seeking something broader than just Stormy Daniels.
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Calling the judge "highly partisan" and a kangaroo court like three hours before getting arraigned in front of him, you love to see it
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mdemone posted:Calling the judge "highly partisan" and a kangaroo court like three hours before getting arraigned in front of him, you love to see it I wish Trump would.go pro se and show em how it's done
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Apr 4, 2023 15:39
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:That is what is assumed, but it hasn't been made public yet. Also, there were reports that the prosecutors were probing about Karen McDougal during the grand jury and the possibility that they are seeking something broader than just Stormy Daniels. I thought the McDougal payments were essentially the same as the Daniels payments. Cohen paid them off to benefit the campaign, Trump reimbursed him, and the Trump Organization billed it as legal expenses.
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mdemone posted:Calling the judge "highly partisan" and a kangaroo court like three hours before getting arraigned in front of him, you love to see it Ironically, I think this is the one time where working the refs might be a good idea. The judge is going to be extremely aware that this is going to have political implications and will go out of his way to make sure the court doesn't seem political and uphold the decorum of the institution. Which means Trump can flood the airwaves and likely won't be punished for it because it will just "prove" that the judge is biased against him. I think the judge likely won't take any unilateral steps on punitive measures unless the prosecution gets really aggressive in asking for them.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Trump basically admitted to taking classified documents with the intent to sell them back to the U.S. (or at least profit from them in some way) in an interview with Hannity. I mean...if they ever get around to charging him for that, that video is gonna be front a center of the prosecutor's case, won't it?
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V-Men posted:I thought the McDougal payments were essentially the same as the Daniels payments. Cohen paid them off to benefit the campaign, Trump reimbursed him, and the Trump Organization billed it as legal expenses. My understanding was that we did not know the identity of the other woman whose payments were wrapped up in this. It may be that McDougal is also involved especially given Pecker's testimony, but I think there's somebody else unknown as yet.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Ironically, I think this is the one time where working the refs might be a good idea. The judge is going to be extremely aware that this is going to have political implications and will go out of his way to make sure the court doesn't seem political and uphold the decorum of the institution. Which means Trump can flood the airwaves and likely won't be punished for it because it will just "prove" that the judge is biased against him. I think the judge likely won't take any unilateral steps on punitive measures unless the prosecution gets really aggressive in asking for them. I wouldn't be that judge if you paid me $1M/day to do it
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His supporters are out in force https://twitter.com/notcapnamerica/status/1643257444884180994
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mdemone posted:I wouldn't be that judge if you paid me $1M/day to do it
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Tatsuta Age posted:
Trump posting through this all is probably some of the best entertainment I’ve seen on social media lately.
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Charlz Guybon posted:That's a ridiculous lie. I tried. I really did.
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Tatsuta Age posted:
Great idea to keep antagonizing the humanoid cane toad that helped cover up your crimes.
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V-Men posted:I thought the McDougal payments were essentially the same as the Daniels payments. Cohen paid them off to benefit the campaign, Trump reimbursed him, and the Trump Organization billed it as legal expenses. They are similar, but McDougal was part of the "catch and kill" scheme with the National Enquirer. It wasn't an explicit hush money situation like with Stormy Daniels. It was a conspiracy betwen AMI media and Trump to purchase the exclusive rights to individual women's stories and then refuse to publish them. But, they were buying them on behalf of Trump without telling the women that this was the explicit purpose of the exchange (they told McDougal that she would appear on two magazine covers and get a column for her story). Trump reimbursed Cohen, but we don't know if he reimbursed AMI. If he didn't, then it wouldn't be a direct campaign finance violation, but it would be explicit evidence that Trump conspired and knowingly was involved in the payments and make Michael Cohen's testimony considered corroborated if AMI testified the same thing. There are also rumors and comments from Cohen that there were more than just two women involved and the financial and conspiracy aspects may have been larger than publicly reported. But, we'll probably know for sure pretty soon! Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Apr 4, 2023 |
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Ironically, I think this is the one time where working the refs might be a good idea. The judge is going to be extremely aware that this is going to have political implications and will go out of his way to make sure the court doesn't seem political and uphold the decorum of the institution. Which means Trump can flood the airwaves and likely won't be punished for it because it will just "prove" that the judge is biased against him. I think the judge likely won't take any unilateral steps on punitive measures unless the prosecution gets really aggressive in asking for them. That Judge will also have to answer to all their NYS contemporaries who most likely won't like seeing their state pushed around by the local black sheep billionaire. It's certainly going to be interesting to see how Trump plays this and how the court/attorneys respond.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Ironically, I think this is the one time where working the refs might be a good idea. The judge is going to be extremely aware that this is going to have political implications and will go out of his way to make sure the court doesn't seem political and uphold the decorum of the institution. Which means Trump can flood the airwaves and likely won't be punished for it because it will just "prove" that the judge is biased against him. I think the judge likely won't take any unilateral steps on punitive measures unless the prosecution gets really aggressive in asking for them. Yes this is where I'm leaning too. Trump will do everything short of telling followers to burn it all down but the court system will bend over into pretzel shape hoping it will calm the whiny toddler down. That being said I do hope he....what's the term...posts through it.
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Has there been any word on when this is supposed to go down, besides nebulously “today”?
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cr0y posted:Hurrr also there's four reporters for every trump supporter because they learned nothing last time
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Xiahou Dun posted:Has there been any word on when this is supposed to go down, besides nebulously “today”? Arraignment hearing is scheduled for 2:15
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Piell posted:Arraignment hearing is scheduled for 2:15 Mercy buckets, mon friar.
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InsertPotPun posted:why the gently caress are this guy's feet backwards? nicely spotted! there's been a problem with AI-fakes recently, so my bet would be this is one of those AIs always get at least something wrong. For now, at least.
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cr0y posted:Hurrr Well I don't know guilty but I assume not is an idiot.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Ironically, I think this is the one time where working the refs might be a good idea. The judge is going to be extremely aware that this is going to have political implications and will go out of his way to make sure the court doesn't seem political and uphold the decorum of the institution. Which means Trump can flood the airwaves and likely won't be punished for it because it will just "prove" that the judge is biased against him. I think the judge likely won't take any unilateral steps on punitive measures unless the prosecution gets really aggressive in asking for them. I also think that Trump won't get a complete gag order, but for completely different reasons: gag orders exist to prevent participants from tainting the jury, and I don't think there's any judge on the planet who seriously expects to get a jury with no prior opinion on whether or not Donald J Trump has been unfairly persecuted by the system. If he starts leaking courtroom evidence or something, then he will get gagged on that stuff. But I don't think it really makes a whole ton of sense for a judge to decree that he's not allowed to post his whiny rants online anymore? He's allowed to post on the internet that he's not guilty, there's no actual compelling legal reason to block that.
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Arraignment is at 2:15 and the DA says they issue a press release with all the details of the charges and hold a press conference to take questions immediately afterward. I'm going to take a wild guess and assume that Trump is getting knocked to the top of the 2:15 arraignment calendar. If that is the case (and they start on time, which is a big "if" most of the time), then they will probably be putting out the press release around 3:00 pm. https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1643252078561640449
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i am nervous that angry trump supporters will do a great big dumb bad thing
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Main Paineframe posted:I also think that Trump won't get a complete gag order, but for completely different reasons: gag orders exist to prevent participants from tainting the jury, and I don't think there's any judge on the planet who seriously expects to get a jury with no prior opinion on whether or not Donald J Trump has been unfairly persecuted by the system. Judges will frequently give out contempt charges or gag orders for disrespecting the court or attacking the prosecution/defense in public. If Trump was a normal person doing all of this, then there is a very good chance he would get hit with sanctions of some kind if he didn't stop. Also, no judge is going to openly admit that it is impossible to get an impartial jury. They are going to ask jurors if they can put aside any biases to come to an objective decision or if their mind is already made up and they will only pick someone who answers "Yes" to both. Even if it is impossible, they would never say that out loud or use it as a justification for a process ruling.
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DEEP STATE PLOT posted:i am nervous that angry trump supporters will do a great big dumb bad thing I wouldn't be - he's cooperating so I would expect that things will go smoothly. He still has an election in 2024 to deal with so I imagine he will be on his best behavior outside a couple Truth Social posts making fun of the DA Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Judges will frequently give out contempt charges or gag orders for disrespecting the court or attacking the prosecution/defense in public. If Trump was a normal person doing all of this, then there is a very good chance he would get hit with sanctions of some kind if he didn't stop. Maybe we will get a bench trial? I doubt it though 
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Tatsuta Age posted:
My attorney has advised me to talk about this case to the news as much and as often as possible without checking first.
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Libluini posted:nicely spotted! I'd want to know the source of the image, but I think that's just someone standing behind him facing the other way. The physical site is accurate to life and the image has a number of features that AI doesn't (and probably can't) replicate without effectively being handheld to produce them. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 16:34 on Apr 4, 2023 |
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Grip it and rip it posted:Maybe we will get a bench trial? I doubt it though Never in a billion years would Trump want a NJT and if I was his attorney, then I would never in a million years advise him to get an NJT.
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The jury aspect of all this is gonna be a clusterfluck, I really don't see anyway you windup with a unanimous decision.
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The only thing I would be worried about if I were Trump's attorneys is that the venue is in Manhattan. If I were them, I'd be asking for a change of venue to Long Island for jury selection.
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https://twitter.com/krassenstein/status/1643252835969114112 George Santos and MTG have been spotted together making their way to the courthouse apparently. Always figured he'd end up falling in with that crowd since he seems to be in the House to troll and gaslight. No doubt the GOP base at large adores his antics and "getting away with it" (so far) even if NY might not anymore.
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Both Santos and MTG were there extremely briefly; both were effectively drowned out by protesters, but then, the point of their appearance was to show the hostile reception.
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Why in the hell are we posting Krassenstein? Is Weekly World News feed down? Overall, it feels like the timeline is right for the Republican Establishment to make their last angry noises, drop a sarcastic "here they go again" when Georgia and Justice jump in, and then make the rounds to the usual Sunday shows in January to talk about how Americans are tired of hearing about his legal issues and would rather focus on the issues plaguing this country (libraries, youth sports, aerosolized fentanyl, Hunter Biden's laptop).
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