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After some thought, I'm less worried that TotK will seem like "glorified DLC" for BotW than I am that BotW will look like an early beta test for TotK. Like, it almost seems like TotK is the game they wanted to make but knew it would take a decade so they released the half-finished version with the map and physics system halfway through development.
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Apr 4, 2023 18:00
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TotK is Nintendo's Skyrim.
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Apr 4, 2023 18:08
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Albatrossy_Rodent posted:After some thought, I'm less worried that TotK will seem like "glorified DLC" for BotW than I am that BotW will look like an early beta test for TotK. Like, it almost seems like TotK is the game they wanted to make but knew it would take a decade so they released the half-finished version with the map and physics system halfway through development. Yeah I had a similar thought. Like you'll go back to BOTW and be annoyed that you can't use the new abilities. Then some nerd will release a hacked version of BOTW with all the new TOTK stuff integrated.
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Apr 4, 2023 18:10
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Blades will bleed, I hope
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Apr 4, 2023 18:13
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Albatrossy_Rodent posted:After some thought, I'm less worried that TotK will seem like "glorified DLC" for BotW than I am that BotW will look like an early beta test for TotK. Like, it almost seems like TotK is the game they wanted to make but knew it would take a decade so they released the half-finished version with the map and physics system halfway through development. I wonder how much freedom they gained by not requiring TOTK to also run on the WII-U Conversely, I wonder who will be the first to attempt back-porting TOTK to the Wii U
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Apr 4, 2023 18:23
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Albatrossy_Rodent posted:After some thought, I'm less worried that TotK will seem like "glorified DLC" for BotW than I am that BotW will look like an early beta test for TotK. Like, it almost seems like TotK is the game they wanted to make but knew it would take a decade so they released the half-finished version with the map and physics system halfway through development. I don't know if it'll go that far, but TotK will definitely complicate things for people new to Zelda, or people looking to return. It might end up being one of those sequels where people suggest skipping the previous game, and that'd be a real shame if that's BotW's legacy in 5-10 years.
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Apr 4, 2023 18:25
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Albatrossy_Rodent posted:After some thought, I'm less worried that TotK will seem like "glorified DLC" for BotW than I am that BotW will look like an early beta test for TotK. Like, it almost seems like TotK is the game they wanted to make but knew it would take a decade so they released the half-finished version with the map and physics system halfway through development. BotW was developed for the WiiU originally, they only started making the Switch version later in development iirc but TotK has only been developed for Switch so it will likely better take advantage of the Switch’s hardware. So I think you’re right in a sense. Hopefully the six years of development allowed them to optimize the game to run at a consistent frame rate… Edit: beaten, but I said it more eloquently imo
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Apr 4, 2023 18:27
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glassyalabolas posted:TotK is Nintendo's Skyrim. I had one of the perma-glitched copies of BotW where the blood moons were way more frequent, so you might be onto something
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Apr 4, 2023 18:27
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BotW is great, and TotK is going to be great too. it's simple
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Apr 4, 2023 18:27
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that's legit for the record, me and my roommate at the time were playing side by side and the difference was insane I had two blood moons happen in the same lynel fight once, fucker just kept getting free health/respawning
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Apr 4, 2023 18:29
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TOTK could be only half as good as BOTW and it would still be a legendary game
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Apr 4, 2023 18:30
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WarpDogs posted:It might end up being one of those sequels where people suggest skipping the previous game, and that'd be a real shame if that's BotW's legacy in 5-10 years. This seems unlikely, but I've also played botw dozens of times. It owuld be cool if totk were so much better than botw that this could even be a consideration. Also my lite dropped off a table and the right control stick broke. It looks like a huge hassle to fix, and I don't want to pay Nintendo $100. The old rear end normal switch I have doesn't seem to send an HDMI signal anymore due to being abused by a small child or years. Might end up finally buying an OLED for this stupid game. 
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Apr 4, 2023 18:31
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Mario World doesn't invalidate Mario Bros 3 doesn't invalidate Mario Bros 1, even though the improvements and throughlines are self evident I think BotW will hold up just fine
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Apr 4, 2023 18:35
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Lunatic Sledge posted:Mario World doesn't invalidate Mario Bros 3 doesn't invalidate Mario Bros 1, even though the improvements and throughlines are self evident I'm the implication that Mario 3 invalidates Mario 2
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Apr 4, 2023 18:37
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Mario 2 invalidated itself 
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Apr 4, 2023 18:38
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Look, I didnt say they were wrong
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Apr 4, 2023 18:38
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I know what I said
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Apr 4, 2023 18:39
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Captain Hygiene posted:Mario 2 invalidated itself wrong
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Apr 4, 2023 18:39
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Mario 2 ftmfw
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Apr 4, 2023 18:40
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Augus posted:Mario 2 ftmfw that was the noise I made after playing Mario Bros 2 yes edit: me, the whole time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXvQMfKjuC8
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Apr 4, 2023 18:41
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Lunatic Sledge posted:that was the noise I made after playing Mario Bros 2 yes I too screamed “Mario 2 ftmfw” at the top of my lungs after playing Mario 2
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Apr 4, 2023 18:43
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American Mario 2 and Zelda 2 are eternally valid because they never actually made things that follow them up.
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Apr 4, 2023 18:43
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glassyalabolas posted:TotK is Nintendo's Skyrim. Full of bugs, random crashing, the devs only doing the bare minimum work to patch it into a playable state, selling bug ridden dlc, and expecting fan modders to fix their lovely work for them years after release?
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Apr 4, 2023 18:45
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Shiroc posted:American Mario 2 and Zelda 2 are eternally valid because they never actually made things that follow them up. oh yeah I'm definitely meaning OG Mario 2, which is butthole torture Doki Doki Mario and Adventures of Link are both neat in that, like you said, they didn't get direct follow ups (and thus SMB2USA doesn't have the throughlines I mentioned) but they DID get mined for ideas even decades after the fact, like poo poo was just a smidge out of step or ahead of its time we never got American Mario 2-2 but shyguys and birdo are like, key loving lore at this point
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Apr 4, 2023 18:49
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Japanese Mario 2 is funny because Nintendo never made stuff so intentionally bullshit again and now Mario games have famously innovated in trying to make sure everyone can finish them with stuff like Super Guide.
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Apr 4, 2023 18:56
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gently caress don't get me started, Nintendo's history is like New Testament and Old Testament the first live action Mario movie was a deliberate attempt to test the brand; they allgedly WANTED it to be weird and super American to see if Mario as a character could take being in someone else's hands. They didn't want it to be lovely, though, and obviously the experiment blew up in a variety of ways but compare that to now and it's insane how much their whole approach to poo poo has reversed edit: though that might just be a sign of the times, as iirc they were thinking of Mario like Mickey Mouse, another character that used to be a chameleon trickster/hero/mascot/whatever and has since long metastasized into a single, perfectly marketable icon edit 2 (USA): Roger Rabbit and Mario Bros 2 both 1988 your honor I rest my case Lunatic Sledge fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Apr 4, 2023 |
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Apr 4, 2023 18:59
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Mister Facetious posted:Full of bugs, random crashing, the devs only doing the bare minimum work to patch it into a playable state, selling bug ridden dlc, and expecting fan modders to fix their lovely work for them years after release? As true as all of this is, anyone who claims that Skyrim isn't one of the best games ever made is kidding themself. Players at pretty much any skill level can be having a dope fantasy adventure within five minutes, and you don't need to carefully craft your build since the game just automatically just levels up the playstyle you naturally go with. It's intuitive, accessible, and cool, and there's a reason it single-handedly defined what gaming is to this day.
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Apr 4, 2023 19:15
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Albatrossy_Rodent posted:As true as all of this is, anyone who claims that Skyrim isn't one of the best games ever made is kidding themself. Players at pretty much any skill level can be having a dope fantasy adventure within five minutes, and you don't need to carefully craft your build since the game just automatically just levels up the playstyle you naturally go with. It's intuitive, accessible, and cool, and there's a reason it single-handedly defined what gaming is to this day. what if i like good writing and gameplay that isn't dogshit in my rpgs
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Apr 4, 2023 19:17
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Albatrossy_Rodent posted:Players at pretty much any skill level can be having a dope fantasy adventure within five minutes, and you don't need to carefully craft your build since the game just automatically just levels up the playstyle you naturally go with. It's intuitive, accessible, and cool, and there's a reason it single-handedly defined what gaming is to this day. this not only describes a whole bunch of games before Skyrim, it even describes other games in Skyrim's own series it is definitely one of the games ever made
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Apr 4, 2023 19:18
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imo the only thing skyrim improved on from morrowind and oblivion was the combat and leveling mechanics. and even then it was nothing revolutionary. skyrim is still fun tho
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Apr 4, 2023 19:22
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The gameplay in Skyrim is boring and bad. The gameplay in BotW is excellent and it will be excellent in TotK as well.
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Apr 4, 2023 19:24
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DR FRASIER KRANG posted:Yeah I had a similar thought. Like you'll go back to BOTW and be annoyed that you can't use the new abilities. lol like I'm going back to botw. why would anyone do that after totk
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Apr 4, 2023 19:26
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Martman posted:aka Link durability Ganon is horrified as a grotesque chimera-Link approaches him, holding multiple copies of the Master Sword in each of his 19 hands/tentacles.
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Apr 4, 2023 19:32
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Albatrossy_Rodent posted:As true as all of this is, anyone who claims that Skyrim isn't one of the best games ever made is kidding themself. It's as wide as the ocean and as deep asa puddle.
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Apr 4, 2023 19:34
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Mister Facetious posted:It's as wide as the ocean and as deep asa puddle. Yeah, I think the reason people get upset about Skyrim is because it had a ton of potential to be an amazing game, but the devs insistence on watering down the formula for broad consumer appeal spoils the whole thing from what it could have been in their imagination.
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Apr 4, 2023 19:55
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they can just add botw as dlc to totk. its only like 12 cutscenes and five boss fights
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Apr 4, 2023 20:03
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Lunatic Sledge posted:this not only describes a whole bunch of games before Skyrim, it even describes other games in Skyrim's own series Morrowind's systems are a *lot* more obtuse than Skyrim's, and lots of builds (like magic) are unusable unless you do your homework on how to do it properly. Oblivion is a broken mess of a game where you're not leveling up your playstyle as you play because leveling normally makes you gradually weaker compared to the enemies. I prefer Morrowind on vibes grounds, but claiming that what makes Skyrim great is present in the previous games is demonstrably wrong.
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Apr 4, 2023 20:16
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skyrim is definitively the most accessible rpg ever made but other than that, which isn't nothing, there's nothing about it that elevates the genre imo
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Apr 4, 2023 20:32
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Albatrossy_Rodent posted:there's a reason it single-handedly defined what gaming is to this day. I'm sorry, but I think that's insane. Name one feature of Skyrim which was actually genuinely novel. Skyrim was, and is, a Good Game, but it contained almost zero actual innovation -- it was fundamentally the same game as Oblivion, only more polished. And I certainly don't think it's reasonable to claim that it "defined what gaming is" -- if you really stretched you might contend that it bears some of the responsibility for the prevalence of open-world design which is exemplified in the shifts made by major franchises such as Souls, Zelda and Halo away from linear level-based worlds, but I would say they owe more to the Ubisoft open-world lineage, which arguably begun with the original Assassin's Creed back in '07, or Far Cry 2 in '08, predating Skyrim by several years -- none of them contain the degree of granularity or interactivity that Skyrim did; that is something which remains the province of Bethesda's games, and has not had a significant influence on industry-wide design.
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Apr 4, 2023 20:41
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Lmao skyrim
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