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VostokProgram posted:Could it be some quirk of translation or hyperbole? Like in English you might say "so-and-so is 'officially' canceled" even though that's not a real thing No, I'm a native Russian speaker.
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Apr 3, 2023 22:55
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I think Prigozhin just wants to be the first to declare victory in Bakhmut to dunk on his opponents in the military.
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Apr 3, 2023 23:32
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yeah it's that
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Apr 4, 2023 00:20
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VostokProgram posted:Could it be some quirk of translation or hyperbole? Like in English you might say "so-and-so is 'officially' canceled" even though that's not a real thing the word used, юридический, has a very narrow meaning. it's only law- or court-related: https://www.lingvolive.com/en-us/translate/ru-en/%D1%8E%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9 законный, by comparison, has a dual sense of legally or legitimately/officially https://www.lingvolive.com/en-us/translate/ru-en/%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9
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Apr 4, 2023 00:49
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Paracausal posted:Looks like Russia has continued grinding out progress in Bakhmut. Contested sure, but slowly taking ground, wonder if the 5:1 ratio the Ukranians have been claiming in that area has any solid backing I hear the daily attrition is (very roughly) in the 1:1 to 2:1 range now. The days of a 5:1 attrition ratio there have long since passed.
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Apr 4, 2023 02:30
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Perhaps he means "legal" in the sense of "fulfilling the contract that gets him paid"
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Apr 4, 2023 03:11
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"We captured the City Center, you're supposed to give up now. That's how it works in Age of Empires. You're cheating! Stop! We won!"
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Apr 4, 2023 03:22
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He forgot about the timer.
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Apr 4, 2023 06:40
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It's why Zelensky refused to leave Kyiv in the early days of the war, the main victory objective is there. New attacks on Odesa were reported last night but no information about damages.
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Apr 4, 2023 07:13
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FuturePastNow posted:Perhaps he means "legal" in the sense of "fulfilling the contract that gets him paid" That might actually make sense. Capturing Bakhmut is probably some sort of contractual milestone that was defined as taking a specific % or district. Might not even have defined they must keep it
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Apr 4, 2023 08:21
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Vox Nihili posted:I hear the daily attrition is (very roughly) in the 1:1 to 2:1 range now. The days of a 5:1 attrition ratio there have long since passed. Anywhere you'd recommend reading about a more current analysis of this?
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Apr 4, 2023 10:24
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Seems extremely unlikely to be near 1:1 from a historical point of view. Assaulting prepared, entrenched positions is usually very costly for the attacker compared to the defender.
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Apr 4, 2023 11:59
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Warbadger posted:Seems extremely unlikely to be near 1:1 from a historical point of view. Assaulting prepared, entrenched positions is usually very costly for the attacker compared to the defender. Actually...not necessarily. Getting into an urban environment is often unfavorable to an attacker, but once inside, the attacker can often obtain rough parity in terms of casualties. Fights are often at very close ranges, so casualty rates for both attacker and defender can be quite high, and generally higher than fighting in more open terrain. One thing the attacker does (again, usually) give up in exchange for a more equal attrition ratio is speed. In a clearing operation in urban terrain you can expect to average about 100m of progress per 24 hours. Even that pace is exhausting work: soldiers will easily consume 10,000 calories a day in such environments. Getting favorable attrition ratios is far from guaranteed, of course, and I don't mean to imply that it's common or can be assumed. But the conventional wisdom that the attacker will always suffer large multiples compared to the defender is not borne out by history.
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Apr 4, 2023 13:12
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Finland is in. The final act of Finland's accession was completed as Finland's foreign minister handed the accession document to Antony Blinken
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Apr 4, 2023 14:09
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Finland has some nerve to expand NATO all the way to Petersburg. The securities have never been as concerned as this. Time to gently caress up Kazakhstan for this shameless display of backyard meddling
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Apr 4, 2023 15:22
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https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1643258720393019393?t=KUjMsj1_tln3v61ZQR23bg&s=19
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Apr 4, 2023 15:37
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okay cinci you got me by surprise, I thought someone had haxored the Finn thread Now I'm just waiting for permission to have Erdogan dolls in demonstrations again, or if have to wait for Sweden to join first Nenonen fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Apr 4, 2023 |
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Apr 4, 2023 15:46
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Moon Slayer posted:Finland is in. I can finally say it: Haista sinä Erdogan pitkä paska.
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Apr 4, 2023 15:56
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Keisari posted:I can finally say it: Haista sinä Erdogan pitkä paska. Without any regard for our cousins in the West? Well I'll be.
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Apr 4, 2023 16:22
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Well, good luck if Russia ever tries to invade Sweden now, anyway. Kind of hard to do without going through Finland. (The alternative of a purely amphibious invasion... against a prepared and competent defender... yeah, let's not.)
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Apr 4, 2023 16:59
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Moon Slayer posted:https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1643258720393019393?t=KUjMsj1_tln3v61ZQR23bg&s=19 This may be off topic but I’m curious, do they just have extra flag poles waiting at nato hq? Or do they install a new one and rearrange the old ones to give it equal spacing?
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Apr 4, 2023 17:21
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Boris Galerkin posted:This may be off topic but I’m curious, do they just have extra flag poles waiting at nato hq? Or do they install a new one and rearrange the old ones to give it equal spacing? They no doubt have one or two extra poles at hand especially when they know an enlargement is imminent. Adding an extra pole only means adding it at one of the ends of the current arc (it's not a full circle) and moving the current flags as needed to free up the correct alphabetical spot for the new country. They installed the new pole yesterday, I think.
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Apr 4, 2023 17:28
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Boris Galerkin posted:This may be off topic but I’m curious, do they just have extra flag poles waiting at nato hq? Or do they install a new one and rearrange the old ones to give it equal spacing? Looks like they added a new pole to one end of the two semi-circles around the NATO flag and slotted Finland into it's alphabetic order next to Estonia. SHAPE is in Mons, a city of nearly 100,000 people. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be too difficult to find or fab a new flagpole. Fun fact: the order of flags rotates every week, in French alphabetic order, with some exceptions and modifications through the years. Article here. e: fb.
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Apr 4, 2023 17:38
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Moon Slayer posted:Finland is in. Surely that must have been hundreds of red lines crossed! russia will have to sternly assure that there will have to be a response.
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Apr 4, 2023 18:10
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Boris Galerkin posted:This may be off topic but I’m curious, do they just have extra flag poles waiting at nato hq? Or do they install a new one and rearrange the old ones to give it equal spacing? Also I’m sure they were ready for this for a while - well before Turkey voted for approval last week. Finland had been verbally approved for like two months by Erdogan and Fidesz, so NATO probably had their "pole foundation installer guy" on quick dial. It’d be kind of interesting to see when they installed the base of the pole. Like do they already have a spare base ready for Sweden, and/or is it just general policy to leave some spots ready for new flags to go in?
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Apr 4, 2023 18:12
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Moon Slayer posted:https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1643258720393019393?t=KUjMsj1_tln3v61ZQR23bg&s=19 Ah, is that why everyone has to agree? Adding a new flagpole is serious business.
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Apr 4, 2023 18:24
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Zat posted:They no doubt have one or two extra poles at hand but enough about East European janitors Ynglaur posted:Actually...not necessarily. Getting into an urban environment is often unfavorable to an attacker, but once inside, the attacker can often obtain rough parity in terms of casualties. Fights are often at very close ranges, so casualty rates for both attacker and defender can be quite high, and generally higher than fighting in more open terrain. For another angle, attacker needs a high density of troops in a densely built area because they need to cover so many keyhole positions with short and narrow lines of fire, because buildings require more troops to clear (and there are lots of buildings in a city) than a field or forest, and because tactical reserves need to remain closer to the lead units to react quickly enough to ambushes or counterattacks. More scattered forces tend to become separated and ineffective in urban operations. Higher density of forces comes with the cost of more casualties to indirect fire and ambushes, though. OTOH if the attacker scales back their infantry actions and both sides rely more on artillery and snipers, then casualty rates will naturally start approaching 1:1. Especially if the side with more experienced troops doesn't have enough shells to whack at every mole popping up in the area. So it could also be a sign of the intensity changing.
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Apr 4, 2023 18:31
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Kavros posted:Surely that must have been hundreds of red lines crossed! russia will have to sternly assure that there will have to be a response. Well, they might have put in the coordinates of Helsinki into two instead of one ballistic missiles or something. Maybe also decorate the border by building a dozen more guard towers that will not be manned until Ukraine is finished up.
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Apr 4, 2023 18:37
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Zat posted:They no doubt have one or two extra poles at hand especially when they know an enlargement is imminent. Adding an extra pole only means adding it at one of the ends of the current arc (it's not a full circle) and moving the current flags as needed to free up the correct alphabetical spot for the new country. madeintaipei posted:Looks like they added a new pole to one end of the two semi-circles around the NATO flag and slotted Finland into it's alphabetic order next to Estonia. Oh yeah, duh, that would make sense they only need to add the pole to the end. I was picturing something way more complicated with them tearing up all the poles in-between the two ends so that they can both fit in an extra pole and space them equally. (The alternative in my head being that they just had extra poles at the end not in use.)
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Apr 4, 2023 19:33
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To any Goon Finns, congratulations on joining NATO. I unironically hope this means your country remains at peace for many years to come. gently caress Putin.
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Apr 4, 2023 19:44
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Kavros posted:Surely that must have been hundreds of red lines crossed! russia will have to sternly assure that there will have to be a response. Russia called it a “historical mistake” and said Finland has forced it to take “counter-measures”. The ministry of foreign affairs issued this statement: quote:This is now a thing of the past. Finland has become one of the small members of (NATO) that doesn't decide anything, losing its special voice in international affairs. We are sure that history will judge this hasty step. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/finland-set-join-nato-historic-shift-while-sweden-waits-2023-04-04/
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Apr 4, 2023 19:53
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https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1643323819698913285?t=-McuYCwHbsbIqnk0Z_nxPQ&s=19 Specifically: quote:The $2.1 billion, which is being provided under the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative, a funding program led by the Department of Defense, will be used to purchase missiles for NASAMS air defense systems. The money will also be used to purchase antiaircraft ammunition, mobile laser-guided rocket systems, fuel tankers and other equipment, according to the Pentagon.
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Apr 4, 2023 19:54
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Rappaport posted:Without any regard for our cousins in the West? Well I'll be. Ah, right. It would be very on-brand for Erdogan to hold the Swedish application hostage because someone told him to sniff poo on the internet. Ynglaur posted:To any Goon Finns, congratulations on joining NATO. I unironically hope this means your country remains at peace for many years to come. Thank you. It feels absolutely surreal to watch that flag with the others. It's hard to grasp and truly comprehend (on an emotional level) how monumental change this is. There also hasn't been much fanfare here, almost everyone just seems to be quietly relieved.
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Apr 4, 2023 20:53
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Official defense.gov release of the aid package posted above: https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3350958/biden-administration-announces-additional-security-assistance-for-ukraine/ Presidential Drawdown aka quick section: quote:Additional munitions for Patriot air defense systems; USAI aka slow section: quote:Additional munitions for National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile Systems (NASAMS); Is the Patriot in Ukraine already active?
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Apr 4, 2023 21:08
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In other news, statements before the US-EU energy council: https://www.state.gov/secretary-ant...s-to-the-press/ Some harsh remarks towards China quote:We have been discussing with Secretary Blinken about the role of China on supporting Russia’s blatant violations of the United Nations Charter. There is a clear expectation from a permanent member of the Security Council to stand up in defense of international rules-based order. And China has a moral duty to contribute to a fair peace. They cannot be siding with the aggressor. They cannot be militarily supporting the aggression. And some further cooperation: quote:Josep and I also discussed the United States and Europe’s unprecedented cooperation on energy security, and indeed, we’ll take that up in more detail in a few minutes. We share a commitment to preventing a climate catastrophe, accelerating the global clean energy transition, building resilient, secure, and diversified supply chains for renewable energy – and doing it in a way that creates good-paying jobs and lowers costs for people on both sides of the Atlantic. I think there have been tensions in the EU over a trade war from Biden's BBB plan - is that matter settled yet?
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Apr 4, 2023 21:18
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WarpedLichen posted:Is the Patriot in Ukraine already active? We don't know. It was in the coming weeks as of the 21st of March. Edit: Finished reading the new aid package, fuel and SATCOM stuff seems to be standing out a little bit. Also, how much ammo 23 million rounds are, really - how quickly is infantry expected to be spending normal bullets? cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Apr 4, 2023 |
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Apr 4, 2023 21:22
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cinci zoo sniper posted:We don't know. It was in the coming weeks as of the 21st of March. The amount of ammo an entire nation needs for a few months to conduct a massive counter attack must be a fun job to figure out If I were them I'd expect to get bogged down in city fights in several new locations, while also still holding the line everywhere else. So millions of small-arms ammo for a month or 2 does not surprise me.
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Apr 4, 2023 21:37
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Is there any news about Ukraine switching their service rifles to NATO 5.56.mm variants or are they still using Soviet/Russian 5.45mm and these "millions of rounds" are being procured through some other means?
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Apr 4, 2023 21:42
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How much airspace can a single Patriot battery cover? Can it like, protect Kyiv? Or are we talking a much smaller area?
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:How much airspace can a single Patriot battery cover? Can it like, protect Kyiv? Or are we talking a much smaller area? Depends on the target and what version of Patriot, I don't think there's any for sure known numbers (stated numbers are almost always not accurate for obvious reasons) but I believe that yes it should cover a city sized area at least.
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