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OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Would that I could imagine a government denying insecure cis people their god given right to have a bit of paper telling them what sex they are but you don't actually need it because you can clearly tell by looking at someone except when you can't but we definitely still need it otherwise you're trying to destroy the existence of women.

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Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
If the terminally divorced cis Gender Commandos need a piece of paper to demonstrate how real their penis is they can do that themselves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nVi5vKfV24

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear

keep punching joe posted:

If you're finding post Elon twitter to be a cursed unfriendly place but still want a scrolling fix try mastodon. It's an extremely queer friendly place compared to other social media I've seen.

i thought him changing the logo to a dog was a joke lool

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


crispix posted:

i thought him changing the logo to a dog was a joke lool

I love that people don't know if he's doing it to manipulate the price of Dogecoin, which he holds a decent amount of, or to manipulate the SEO to try & push this story off the first page of Google search for "Elon Doge" & similar terms.

And by love I mean the opposite, I hate it.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

crispix posted:

i thought him changing the logo to a dog was a joke lool

https://twitter.com/SystemFreez/status/1518578789504237570

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo

keep punching joe posted:

If you're finding post Elon twitter to be a cursed unfriendly place but still want a scrolling fix try mastodon. It's an extremely queer friendly place compared to other social media I've seen.

I will, once I've had my fill of crypto twitter. Crypto twitter is amazing these days though

Diet Crack
Jan 15, 2001

look, it's everyone's favourite crypto scam peddler!

Nuclear Spoon
Aug 18, 2010

I want to cry out
but I don’t scream and I don’t shout
And I feel so proud
to be alive
i respect people who go to mastodon for whatever reason but the problem there is only one website where i can retweet poo poo like this whenever i remember it

https://twitter.com/chargers/status/5596520?lang=en-GB

crazyvanman
Dec 31, 2010

OwlFancier posted:

My history curriculum was weird, no royals, but we did history of medicine and native americans which were both interesting.

Our drama teacher also at one point decided to re-enact his idea of being rounded up for the holocaust by putting us all in a room, turning the lights off, and then flicking them on and screaming at us in german to get off the train.

Our drama teacher was a strange man.

E: oh and I was taught physics by a biologist who was a young earth creationist and objected to having to teach us how stars worked, and gave a lecture to everybody about how we don't actually know how old the earth is because radio carbon dating isn't real and sometimes rock formation can happen very quickly.

Very infrequent poster (VIP?) here: History curriculum is funny. You're definitely not alone in those GCSE/O Level units. They're part of the 'Schools History Project' which was basically an attempt to make history in school less...poo poo. They had this wild idea that maybe children should actually do things like look at historical sources, learn some social history, and not just get told a load of dates, kings and queens. The 'Wild West' unit was massively popular because everyone was watching Westerns at the time SHP came around. Medicine I guess because it covers a lot of ground, and is gory so therefore interesting.

This was all pretty cool and good, until the Gove-era Tories went on a mad one about how Marxist loonies in universities were destroying are culture and children didn't know all the kings in order, so therefore re-vamped the whole thing. They thought it should basically be all British history, chronologically starting in primary and reaching present day by GCSE options choosing time. This had the hilarious effect that Gove thought it only right that 9 year olds were learning about the Anglo-Saxon Heptarchy. Incidentally one big problem with this approach is that people only ever study older/ancient history when younger, so think that Romans = shields, medieval = rats and plague, and then modern history is the only bit with any complexity.

Also, if anyone's interested, quite a few universities have lost their rights to run PGCE (teacher training courses), as part of the aforementioned Tory paranoia about Marxists running universities and then creating Trot teachers or something. Much better to put it all in the hands of private companies of course. I've worked with both and had no problems, but anecdotally have heard about some pretty dodgy teacher training courses run privately

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


forkboy84 posted:

I love that people don't know if he's doing it to manipulate the price of Dogecoin, which he holds a decent amount of, or to manipulate the SEO to try & push this story off the first page of Google search for "Elon Doge" & similar terms.

And by love I mean the opposite, I hate it.

It's because his next exciting venture into stinking crap-piles that are irrevocably sliding into a swamp is going to be somehow buying his way to becoming the elected ruler of Venice.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

crazyvanman posted:

This was all pretty cool and good, until the Gove-era Tories went on a mad one about how Marxist loonies in universities were destroying are culture and children didn't know all the kings in order, so therefore re-vamped the whole thing.
Gove also wanted that Our Island Story book taught, where sea people fight the giants for the Irish rocks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGwj6XbtlPA

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

crazyvanman posted:

Very infrequent poster (VIP?) here: History curriculum is funny. You're definitely not alone in those GCSE/O Level units. They're part of the 'Schools History Project' which was basically an attempt to make history in school less...poo poo. They had this wild idea that maybe children should actually do things like look at historical sources, learn some social history, and not just get told a load of dates, kings and queens. The 'Wild West' unit was massively popular because everyone was watching Westerns at the time SHP came around. Medicine I guess because it covers a lot of ground, and is gory so therefore interesting.

This was all pretty cool and good, until the Gove-era Tories went on a mad one about how Marxist loonies in universities were destroying are culture and children didn't know all the kings in order, so therefore re-vamped the whole thing. They thought it should basically be all British history, chronologically starting in primary and reaching present day by GCSE options choosing time. This had the hilarious effect that Gove thought it only right that 9 year olds were learning about the Anglo-Saxon Heptarchy. Incidentally one big problem with this approach is that people only ever study older/ancient history when younger, so think that Romans = shields, medieval = rats and plague, and then modern history is the only bit with any complexity.

Also, if anyone's interested, quite a few universities have lost their rights to run PGCE (teacher training courses), as part of the aforementioned Tory paranoia about Marxists running universities and then creating Trot teachers or something. Much better to put it all in the hands of private companies of course. I've worked with both and had no problems, but anecdotally have heard about some pretty dodgy teacher training courses run privately

History of medicine was one of very few school subject I recall actually being interested in, because yeah it's a bit gory in the sense that it wasn't shy about being "jesus christ people in the past did not have any idea how to avoid dying" where we covered all the godawful public health practices and batshit ideas about how people got sick before germ theory came around.

I can't help but feel if more people were taught that they might be less susceptible to idiotic covid takes.

Nuclear Spoon
Aug 18, 2010

I want to cry out
but I don’t scream and I don’t shout
And I feel so proud
to be alive
who could have predicted this. god i loving hate everyone involved so much

https://twitter.com/guardianopinion/status/1643317268796039168

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Nuclear Spoon posted:

who could have predicted this. god i loving hate everyone involved so much

https://twitter.com/guardianopinion/status/1643317268796039168

I read the article - pretty damning from the Graun.

Also, the Times article linked to from within the Graun article:


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fa5b38b4-d18d-11ed-b1cd-5223fe349502

quote:

...

So what is Sir Keir Starmer’s slogan? The chorus to which Labour reliably, robotically returns? It depends what day it is. Now into his third year as Labour leader, Starmer is on to his twelfth slogan: “Build a better Britain.” In September he promised a “fairer, greener future”; three months earlier he was “on your side”. In January 2022 his watchwords were “security, prosperity, respect”; which you shouldn’t confuse with the four he stressed in his 2021 conference speech: “Work, care, equality, security”. I could keep going, but you follow my argument: Labour isn’t making one.

....

But speak to almost any other Starmer confidant and they will make the following complaint: that strategy has become a reductive parody of itself. It obsesses over the apocryphal red wall man and his utterances in Mattinson’s focus groups to the exclusion of everybody else in the country. Last month I asked a shadow cabinet minister who really held the whip hand in Starmer’s office. “Whichever 12 blokes from Mansfield we can get on Zoom on any given weeknight,” they deadpanned.

...

However, the polite way to spin its conclusion is that Labour could usefully refine its understanding of the electorate. Alternatively, one could argue — as many who have read it say privately — that it suggests Labour has wasted two years on the wrong people.

The other, altogether more worrying thing Stevenage Woman proves is that the only way to really win an argument in Starmer’s office is with a battering ram. “It’s powerful because, unlike a focus group, everything in it is underpinned by data,” says a shadow cabinet minister.

...


I think my line manager is pretty much "Stevenage Woman" even though she doesn't live in Stevenage.

Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Apr 4, 2023

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

-~Skullwave~-
He is so bad at his job, thank god we have the sensible adults in charge.

OwlFancier posted:

History of medicine was one of very few school subject I recall actually being interested in, because yeah it's a bit gory in the sense that it wasn't shy about being "jesus christ people in the past did not have any idea how to avoid dying" where we covered all the godawful public health practices and batshit ideas about how people got sick before germ theory came around.

I can't help but feel if more people were taught that they might be less susceptible to idiotic covid takes.
I had that module too and I remember it being interesting.

I also took classics, which ended up including a lot of stuff about why classical texts were written as they were (usually politics), how people have interpreted classical texts, what motivated those interpretations (politics) and why the interpretations might be bad (guess). It's not a big leap from there to applying similar thinking to contemporary texts. I am not sure if that stuff came from the syllabus or my teacher, but I wonder if teaching classics slips under the ideological radar of people like Gove in a way that history doesn't. Amphorae and Ovid are the kind of thing Tories love to pretend they know about and it's pretty difficult to shoehorn British nationalism into works that predate England by a millennium or two, though plenty of people have tried.

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

So what is Sir Keir Starmer’s slogan? The chorus to which Labour reliably, robotically returns? It depends what day it is. Now into his third year as Labour leader, Starmer is on to his twelfth slogan: “Build a better Britain.” In September he promised a “fairer, greener future”; three months earlier he was “on your side”. In January 2022 his watchwords were “security, prosperity, respect”; which you shouldn’t confuse with the four he stressed in his 2021 conference speech: “Work, care, equality, security”. I could keep going, but you follow my argument: Labour isn’t making one.
That’s five of the twelve, I’m curious what the other seven are? Twelve slogans in ~3 years has to be some kind of record, right? He basically does a relaunch every time Steam has a big sale on

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

JOBSJOBSJOBSJ
OBSJOBSJOBSJO
BSJOBSJOBSJOB
SJOBSJOBSJOBS

Which, frankly, is about the only way I expect him to be able to provide jobs, if writing it like that works like a sator square

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

TACD posted:

That’s five of the twelve, I’m curious what the other seven are? Twelve slogans in ~3 years has to be some kind of record, right? He basically does a relaunch every time Steam has a big sale on

Very memorable ear worms, obviously, given that noone can remember!

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

https://twitter.com/churnwell/status/1643374815930187778

e: Hahaha, these videos are so loving bad. He's like a cross between Mr Bean, Norman Wisdom and Alan Partridge

https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1643338425901129734

fuctifino fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Apr 4, 2023

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Very memorable ear worms, obviously, given that noone can remember!

At his first Conference he came out with "chanting slogans, or changing lives" as a zinger to dismiss the Oh Jeremy Corbyn singing that threatened to disrupt him. Irony thy name is Kieth

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Guavanaut posted:

I hope some turbo chud does a film where the life of Donald J Trump is portrayed as a Christ narrative.

He who has never defrauded a dozen contractors to flip a building without paying tax, let him cast the first stone at me.

donald trump, when presented with the bill for building actually literally trump tower, attempted to deport construction workers rather than pay them

upon the conclusion of the lawsuit, he accidentally forgot to pay the law firm defending him against accusations of wage theft

the fate of the law firm defending him re: failure to pay legal fees to the previous law firm remains unclear

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

Didn't people catch on pretty quick and start doubling their prices and asking for half up front when dealing with him

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

Dabir posted:

Didn't people catch on pretty quick and start doubling their prices and asking for half up front when dealing with him

When he was running the casino he became known across the city for ordering something done, then saying he didn't like it, and either wouldn't pay or say he'd pay only half.
Thinking he outsmarted them. But they just would over quote him by 50% and get what they originally would have got.
Was googling it there, and he still has over 100+ companies back in Atlanta that he still owes money to.

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.
Coworker came back from vacation to Germany, he's bosnian and has relatives there. Said he never wants to visit Germany again, overcrowded, expensive and homeless people sleeping in the streets he said.

Just thought it was funny since I keep reading so many positive things about it from people going there in this thread.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Nuclear Spoon posted:

who could have predicted this. god i loving hate everyone involved so much

https://twitter.com/guardianopinion/status/1643317268796039168

UK Labour: We Just Have No Clue At All

smellmycheese
Feb 1, 2016

This Grauniad piece is even better. “Revolutionary Flags” = one CND banner. And the “symbolism” of the sleeping bag? Your guess is as good as mine. Jeremy Crobbins slept like the filthy homeless people that sensible Keith so despises?



https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/apr/04/team-starmer-here-to-win-as-labour-sets-its-sights-on-a-may-2024-election

domhal
Dec 30, 2008


0.000% of Communism has been built. Evil child-murdering billionaires still rule the world with a shit-eating grin. All he has managed to do is make himself *sad*. It has, however, made him into a very, very smart boy with something like a university degree in Truth. Instead of building Communism, he now builds a precise model of this grotesque, duplicitous world.

LOL at

quote:

One of the things that I took away from Burnley last time was a real sense of ambition and desire for change.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)
I think I need to stop reading this thread for awhile. My bitter irony shields are failing and I'm starting to take hull damage

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear

domhal posted:

LOL at

quote:

One of the things that I took away from Burnley last time was a real sense of ambition and desire for change.

Mr Starmer, we're in Dundee

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
but yeah those videos loool

the jarring cut from keith warbling, expressionless, about his latest soundbites to a young person enthusiastically saying "yeah"

it's like a This Time with Alan Partridge bit

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
i reckon when labour gently caress the next election keir will stay as leader and they'll blame young people for being too lazy to turn out to vote and also not going harder after small boat people or whatever the gently caress

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Barry Foster posted:

I think I need to stop reading this thread for awhile. My bitter irony shields are failing and I'm starting to take hull damage

Helps to occasionally pop over to watch American politics where either you can take comfort we're not that bad, or take schadenfreude whenever anything inconveniences the right-wing and they throw a poo poo fit. Case in point:

https://twitter.com/halomancer1/status/1643501793262071809

josh04
Oct 19, 2008


"THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"

This title contains sponsored content.

Found this archival footage of Keith eating his daily eggs

https://twitter.com/BBCArchive/status/1643523875307921413

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Barry Foster posted:

I think I need to stop reading this thread for awhile. My bitter irony shields are failing and I'm starting to take hull damage

Sensible. It's not good to have skin as calloused as me to this poo poo.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

His Divine Shadow posted:

Coworker came back from vacation to Germany, he's bosnian and has relatives there. Said he never wants to visit Germany again, overcrowded, expensive and homeless people sleeping in the streets he said.

Just thought it was funny since I keep reading so many positive things about it from people going there in this thread.

Co-worker is full of poo poo. I spend a week in Germany every year for an enormous trade fair that dumps tens of thousands of people into a small city during a local festival week and it still feels less cramped than Manchester or Glasgow on a Saturday. There are homeless people, yes - there always will be - but the streets are not an open air hostel and I've never seen a cop moving anyone along. The rents are cheaper than here too, plus the average salary is higher.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
Yeah I haven't been everywhere in Germany or the UK, but Germany is a much better standard of living overall than the UK, things mostly work there and people actually believe the government should do things that benefit the public. However, it is full of Kuntz

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
Likes Cake, Hates Hamsters



Nats having a normal one again today I see.

Looks like a dam of stuff that has been building up for a while but got to admit I didn't see this coming. Starmer and co should take note, stuff never stays behind closed doors forever.

Zalakwe fucked around with this message at 09:52 on Apr 5, 2023

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

Jedit posted:

Co-worker is full of poo poo. I spend a week in Germany every year for an enormous trade fair that dumps tens of thousands of people into a small city during a local festival week and it still feels less cramped than Manchester or Glasgow on a Saturday. There are homeless people, yes - there always will be - but the streets are not an open air hostel and I've never seen a cop moving anyone along. The rents are cheaper than here too, plus the average salary is higher.

We're from Finland, not the UK so our standards are different. Which was my point.

His Divine Shadow fucked around with this message at 09:59 on Apr 5, 2023

Nuclear Spoon
Aug 18, 2010

I want to cry out
but I don’t scream and I don’t shout
And I feel so proud
to be alive
oh that's why she stepped down huh

https://twitter.com/KieranPAndrews/status/1643533758572769280

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Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
You absolutely, 100% sure this isn't just Westminster exploiting the SNP's change of leadership to try to cripple their last remaining serious opposition with a politically-motivated investigation/arrest? We're still continuing to learn more about the insanely dodgy bullshit the British establishment and its institutions pulled against Corbyn's Labour, and the Nats, being an openly secessionist party with (by definition) little English representation) have even less protection of legitimacy than they did.

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