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Apr 25, 2006

Strong stroll for a mangy stray

Man how do they put out such un-self-aware cringe as this in such great amounts. Amazing, truly a different wavelength for these types

Also, what bravery. The soldiers should continue doing their work, he'll do the hard stuff of intimidating helpless grandmas and snitching on his fellow Russians. A lifetime bitch, as that Chinese lawmaker put it

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Jasper Tin Neck
Nov 14, 2008


"Scientifically proven, rich and creamy."

Ups_rail posted:

the chadest and chad moves would be for russia to join nato

The USSR actually applied in the 50s. They were rejected.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxhLkwmSu98

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

Jasper Tin Neck posted:

The USSR actually applied in the 50s. They were rejected.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxhLkwmSu98

...And Putin wanted to join in 2000's, but only if they make special acceptance system where they don't need to get approved by all members. The citation here shows the good ol' Russian attitude to neighbors: """ Vladimir Putin wanted Russia to join Nato but did not want his country to have to go through the usual application process and stand in line “with a lot of countries that don’t matter” """

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/04/ex-nato-head-says-putin-wanted-to-join-alliance-early-on-in-his-rule

Tai
Mar 8, 2006
Why is there a dog icon on twitter? I don't actually care but holy poo poo that people are melting down about it and it's funny as gently caress. Just curious as to why it's there.

zone
Dec 6, 2016

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1643339575975198723
Well this is an unusual comparison, to say the least

Tarquinn
Jul 3, 2007

I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you
my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal.
Hell Gem

Tai posted:

Why is there a dog icon on twitter? I don't actually care but holy poo poo that people are melting down about it and it's funny as gently caress. Just curious as to why it's there.

It’s also the Dogecoin logo. Something something crypto.

tiaz
Jul 1, 2004

PICK UP THAT PRESENT.


Zelensky's Zealots

Tai posted:

Why is there a dog icon on twitter? I don't actually care but holy poo poo that people are melting down about it and it's funny as gently caress. Just curious as to why it's there.

it was used as the logo for the cryptocurrency dogecoin, which elon got involved with and is now the subject of a racketeering lawsuit alleging he pulled a pump and dump scam. which he appears to have actually done.
probably an "Ah! Well. Nevertheless," situation because he's rich, but still, a pathetically outdated attempted own afaik.


zone posted:

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1643517181240410112
:laffo: they aren't even adding the extra zeroes any more

I have to imagine the number across all systems collectively isn't zero, but their lies are so astonishingly overstated I can't come up with a better estimate. Every time I see them say "we have destroyed 300% of the HIMARS in existence" with a straight face I automatically default to "so none of them then?".

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

Tai posted:

Why is there a dog icon on twitter? I don't actually care but holy poo poo that people are melting down about it and it's funny as gently caress. Just curious as to why it's there.

elon is NAFO

Dwesa
Jul 19, 2016

Maybe I'll go where I can see stars

Tai posted:

Why is there a dog icon on twitter? I don't actually care but holy poo poo that people are melting down about it and it's funny as gently caress. Just curious as to why it's there.

Elon remains a master strategist.

https://twitter.com/wefail/status/1643181952487309313

Tai
Mar 8, 2006
hahahah that's great. Promoting crypto like a dumbass and the side effect inadvertently getting putin bootlickers mad.

zone
Dec 6, 2016

tiaz posted:

it was used as the logo for the cryptocurrency dogecoin, which elon got involved with and is now the subject of a racketeering lawsuit alleging he pulled a pump and dump scam. which he appears to have actually done.
probably an "Ah! Well. Nevertheless," situation because he's rich, but still, a pathetically outdated attempted own afaik.

I have to imagine the number across all systems collectively isn't zero, but their lies are so astonishingly overstated I can't come up with a better estimate. Every time I see them say "we have destroyed 300% of the HIMARS in existence" with a straight face I automatically default to "so none of them then?".

I would say that the number for the 777s and M109s are somewhat reflective of how many systems they did manage to take out in total temporarily or permanently, but it would be a stretch to believe anything they have to say about a HIMARS launcher being taken out. Ukraine husbands every single one as carefully as possible.

Shaman Tank Spec
Dec 26, 2003

*blep*



Is anyone in the mood for some cope and some seething impotent frustration? Because Russia's got you covered!

The translation is again mine, and I didn't bother translating the Russian names into their anglic forms.

Source: https://yle.fi/a/74-20025957
Journalist: Simo Ortamo

Yle.fi posted:



Finland's Nato membership drew sour comments in Russian media -- a journalist suggests nuclear land mines on the border
In Russian state-controlled media propagandists considered Finland's decision a mistake and predicted retaliation.

Finland's Nato membership was one of the biggest news articles in Russia on Tuesday. In state-controlled media journalists and propagandists commented on the membership with sour and colourful phrases.

A common theme was that the decision was a mistake.

For instance the news agency Ria quotes senator Grigori Karasin, who says the decision will only produce anxiety and militarism in Finnish minds.

- It is highly unlikely that anyone in Finland is happy about this, Karasin wrote on his Telegram channel.

In actuality Finland's Nato membership was favoured by 80% of Finns in a poll conducted by Helsingin Sanomat in February.

For his part war researcher Jevgeni Bužinski estimated in the Argumenti i fakti magazine that Finland will lose its neutrality and that trade between Finland and Russia will suffer.

Bužinski fails to mention that Finland gave up its neutrality when we joined the EU in 1995, and that our trade already collapsed a year ago after Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

Many commenters also claim that Finland will now become a puppet of the United States.

Duma representative major general Andrei Kartapolov claimed on the 60 minutes propaganda show on Tuesday that the United States are planning on forcing Finnish troops to invade Russia, because they don't want to put their own troops at risk.

He compared Finns with American native people, who Europeans urged to attack their enemies in James Fenimore Cooper's book "The Last of the Mohicans".

- They need new indians. Finns are these Indians, Kartopolov says.

Commentators consider it a done deal that Finland will host Nato troops and infrastructure. For instance the host of 60 minutes, Olga Skabejeva claims that Finland will have nuclear weapons sooner or later.

The Russian government has threatened retaliation, if Finland will host any kind of Nato infrastructure. They have not elaborated on the details, but the commentators predicted various means.

In the Russian government run Rossiskaja Gazeta newspaper military expert Aleksei Leonkov writes that he expects Russia to target its nuclear arsenal against Finland.

The MilitaryRussia website's journalist Dmitri Kornev writes that Russia could deploy Iskander and Kinzal missiles on the Finnish border, form new military units on the border, and strengthen its northern navy.

Western sources have been skeptical of Russia's means of meaningfully strengthening its forces, considering the level of difficulties it is already facing doing in Ukraine alone.

In the 60 minutes TV show journalist Mihail Hodarjonok speculated, that Russia could deploy nuclear land mines on the Finnish border.

By talking about "nuclear land mines" Hodarjonok could be referring to surface launched tactical nuclear weapons, which the United States and Russia developed during the Cold War. It is unclear how many of these weapons exist today in Russia's arsenal.

Shaman Tank Spec fucked around with this message at 11:19 on Apr 5, 2023

zone
Dec 6, 2016

So the same cope as before, "muh nooks", minor amounts of lost trade, and aspirational but hopeless talk about how Russia will strengthen its borders against Finland - after having stripped them of troops and equipment to prosecute the disastrous war in Ukraine where they lose armor on the daily like it's going out of style. Like for gently caress's sake they're trying to reactivate T-62s and T-54s/55s and ancient artillery systems, these are going to be wrecked by even drones the way they're misused on the front with poor tactics.

e: lmao at the talk that America and NATO will force Finland to invade Russia for any reason at all :laugh:

Schweinhund
Oct 23, 2004

:derp:   :kayak:                                     

Tai posted:

Why is there a dog icon on twitter? I don't actually care but holy poo poo that people are melting down about it and it's funny as gently caress. Just curious as to why it's there.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1642976364080041984

Shaman Tank Spec
Dec 26, 2003

*blep*



zone posted:

e: lmao at the talk that America and NATO will force Finland to invade Russia for any reason at all :laugh:

As with right wing assholes and their "the left are all paedos and sexual predators", it's projection. That's what THEY would do, so they expect the United States to do it as well.

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

Shaman Tank Spec posted:

Is anyone in the mood for some cope and some seething impotent frustration? Because Russia's got you covered!

The translation is again mine, and I didn't bother translating the Russian names into their anglic forms.

Source: https://yle.fi/a/74-20025957
Journalist: Simo Ortamo

Its always about projecting, and here we have a Russian general who immediately goes for "The only role for Finns to ever have is just expendable foot soldiers and servants" . :thunk:

Dwesa
Jul 19, 2016

Maybe I'll go where I can see stars
Russian nuclear landmines at the Finnish-Chinese border?

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1643548817973825536

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

Dwesa posted:

Russian nuclear landmines at the Finnish-Chinese border?

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1643548817973825536

what a racist

clearly he meant the Finno-Korean border alluding to the Hyperwar

zone
Dec 6, 2016

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1643536799900336128
Heavy snowfall damaged a dam near Kramatorsk, causing flooding.

zone fucked around with this message at 11:45 on Apr 5, 2023

Karate Bastard
Jul 31, 2007

Soiled Meat
I assume these nuclear landmines would be used in areas you wouldn't patrol very often, for obvious reasons.


...does anyone wanna go dig up some nukes?


E: Run the Bagger 288 along the Finnish Russian border and develop a nuclear arsenal scoop by scoop lol

Karate Bastard fucked around with this message at 11:42 on Apr 5, 2023

Karate Bastard
Jul 31, 2007

Soiled Meat
The conflict with Ukraine gave Ukraine more tanks than they had before the war, but the conflict with Finland made Finland a nuclear power.

Dwesa
Jul 19, 2016

Maybe I'll go where I can see stars

zone posted:

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1643536799900336128
Russian barbarians damaged a dam near Kramatorsk, causing flooding.

It seems dam was damaged due to heavy snowfall in the region, there is no mention of Russians causing it.
https://ukranews.com/en/news/925130-kramatorsk-dam-breach-more-than-250-houses-on-30-streets-of-city-flooded

zone
Dec 6, 2016

Dwesa posted:

It seems dam was damaged due to heavy snowfall in the region, there is no mention of Russians causing it.
https://ukranews.com/en/news/925130-kramatorsk-dam-breach-more-than-250-houses-on-30-streets-of-city-flooded

I stand corrected, then. I'll edit the post.

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

When I want to relax, I read an essay by Engels. When I want something more serious, I read Corto Maltese.

Shaman Tank Spec posted:

As with right wing assholes and their "the left are all paedos and sexual predators", it's projection. That's what THEY would do, so they expect the United States to do it as well.

I'm still astounded that there are self-declared "leftists" supporting a capitalist imperial invasion. I mean, I get that Ukraine is also capitalist, ok. But in even the BEST faith reading, if you utterly divorce the ubiquitous anti-imperalism from basic leftism (even if you count rhetoric only), all you could be is non-committal over the results. All they are doing is utterly undermining any confidence in leftist movements.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Samovar posted:

I'm still astounded that there are self-declared "leftists" supporting a capitalist imperial invasion. I mean, I get that Ukraine is also capitalist, ok. But in even the BEST faith reading, if you utterly divorce the ubiquitous anti-imperalism from basic leftism (even if you count rhetoric only), all you could be is non-committal over the results. All they are doing is utterly undermining any confidence in leftist movements.

It's loving bonkers. Since this was a little bit before my time, were there also self-proclaimed leftists back in 1941 that were cheering on Hitler to denazify the "Stalin Junta"/"Moscow Regime"?

Power Khan
Aug 20, 2011

by Fritz the Horse
This one goes out to the fans of the Hound of Bakhmut. Suspiciously well fed, moisturized, rested and flourishing.

https://twitter.com/Jano14Toga/status/1643282706543923203

zone
Dec 6, 2016

Samovar posted:

I'm still astounded that there are self-declared "leftists" supporting a capitalist imperial invasion. I mean, I get that Ukraine is also capitalist, ok. But in even the BEST faith reading, if you utterly divorce the ubiquitous anti-imperalism from basic leftism (even if you count rhetoric only), all you could be is non-committal over the results. All they are doing is utterly undermining any confidence in leftist movements.

The primary reasoning they use is "America bad, EU bad, and NATO bad" while saying that Ukraine should give up and stop fighting, and return to its place as being part of Novorossiya. They conveniently ignore the fact that if Ukraine does give up, they'll have their population oppressed, enslaved, and genocided. The idiots in the UN litigating it as "not ackchyually being a genocide" have really muddied the optics around that as well. But it's the not being consistent with anti-imperialism part that gets me the most. Some of the more unhinged of them keep going on about "Galician nationalists" and "historical population trends", while repeating Russian talking points about the supposed oppression and mass killings of Russian speakers in the Donbass region, that have no bearing in reality to the extent they claim. At this point i'm convinced they don't care what happens to Ukraine or its people excepting that Russia winning would be a black eye for both Europe and America, call the validity of NATO into question, and strengthen their concept of the so-called Multipolar world. Maybe the world doesn't need bad actors and troublemakers like Russia having the amount of influence they did have until this war began, how about it? And even if you express this viewpoint to so-called "leftists" and "realists" they'll immediately hit back with whataboutism or try justifying poo poo like the Cambodian genocide.

poor waif
Apr 8, 2007
Kaboom

Samovar posted:

I'm still astounded that there are self-declared "leftists" supporting a capitalist imperial invasion. I mean, I get that Ukraine is also capitalist, ok. But in even the BEST faith reading, if you utterly divorce the ubiquitous anti-imperalism from basic leftism (even if you count rhetoric only), all you could be is non-committal over the results. All they are doing is utterly undermining any confidence in leftist movements.

Equate the west with capitalism and imperialism, then consume media that reinforces your preconceptions.

The west can never do anything right, because that means capitalism and imperialism has done something right. China and Russia can do nothing wrong, since they are not the west ergo anti-capitalist and anti-imperialist.

Tai
Mar 8, 2006

Samovar posted:

I'm still astounded that there are self-declared "leftists" supporting a capitalist imperial invasion. I mean, I get that Ukraine is also capitalist, ok. But in even the BEST faith reading, if you utterly divorce the ubiquitous anti-imperalism from basic leftism (even if you count rhetoric only), all you could be is non-committal over the results. All they are doing is utterly undermining any confidence in leftist movements.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Hate for western policy (good) makes people do cartwheels to defend Russia etc. The same western tankies will be happy to defend Assad, China ''re-education camps' or Holodomor just because the west has said it's bad.

zone
Dec 6, 2016

And not to mention, an intercept from one of the local architects of the Donbass civil war said that it was almost impossible to recruit enough disgruntled locals to make it as completely deniable as possible, because the local citizens weren't interested in any rebellion. They were quite content with their lives and it didn't matter to them if they were ruled by either Ukraine or Russia. He then proceeded to say that without the aid of Strelkov, Borodai, and the other Russian assets and grunts on the ground, triggering the civil war would have been basically impossible. Strelkov himself confessed that the annexation of Crimea was 100% illegal and done at gunpoint and threat of death to anyone that refused to ratify it, so what business do they have continuing to squat there on land that doesn't belong to them?

Shaman Tank Spec
Dec 26, 2003

*blep*



GABA ghoul posted:

It's loving bonkers. Since this was a little bit before my time, were there also self-proclaimed leftists back in 1941 that were cheering on Hitler to denazify the "Stalin Junta"/"Moscow Regime"?

That was before the Internet, so probably the leftists of the day were actually leftists and not just generic "gently caress YOU DAD" angry teens in middle-aged bodies like so many today.

But I mean, the ultimate self-proclaimed leftist was Hitler himself who had a shall we say unique understanding of what socialism means. To him "socialism" meant uniting all Germans not by class or social standing, but by race, into a Volksgemeinschaft, a national community. He went on record (and said in private conversations) that he wouldn't nationalise even the largest capitalist ventures, unless of course they went against his views on racial purity etc. If they didn't, then gently caress it, capitalist away!

Also, some have suggested that despite the official reasons, there is evidence that a lof of Hitler's decisions were based on purely spiting socialists and bolsheviks; hence calling the party the National Socialist Party and using a red flag. Of course red white and black were also the colours of the German Empire so who knows.

Dwesa
Jul 19, 2016

Maybe I'll go where I can see stars

Shaman Tank Spec posted:

Also, some have suggested that despite the official reasons, there is evidence that a lof of Hitler's decisions were based on purely spiting socialists and bolsheviks; hence calling the party the National Socialist Party and using a red flag. Of course red white and black were also the colours of the German Empire so who knows.
iirc, 'socialist' part in NSDAP was decided by other early members of to-be-Nazi party over Hitler's objections, in order to help appeal to working class left-wing voters

jaete
Jun 21, 2009


Nap Ghost
Finnish PM Sanna Marin, who just lost an election a few days ago (her party was third), says she will step down as party leader in September. Article (in Finnish)

Quote: "SDP Chairperson Sanna Marin does not intend to continue leading the party after the September party conference."

Meanwhile elsewhere in Europe: "Stoltenberg's mission as secretary general was extended for another four-year term, meaning that he was to lead NATO until September 30, 2022.[3] However, due to Russia's invasion of Ukraine in 2022, his term was extended further by another year.[4]"

:thunk:

:haw:

Tai
Mar 8, 2006
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1643559879301275654

Cringe but also funny

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

I mean even calling it a civil war feels ridiculous, considering the pre-war Donbas population was IIRC somewhere around 4 million. Ukrainian state forces easily moved into the area and liberated it almost completely before Russia invaded with its army and pushed them back. It's like trying to present a conflict between the city of Boston and the United States government as a 8 year long civil war. Who are you kidding? People can easily look up the population of Boston and the US.

Power Khan
Aug 20, 2011

by Fritz the Horse

https://twitter.com/TreasChest/status/1643322018522177537

Shaman Tank Spec
Dec 26, 2003

*blep*



Dwesa posted:

iirc, 'socialist' part in NSDAP was decided by other early members of to-be-Nazi party over Hitler's objections, in order to help appeal to working class left-wing voters

Yeah, there is ample evidence disproving the claims so I don't necessarily believe them myself.

pablo gbscobar
Nov 24, 2007

oh shit i got the snype

:wom:
Lipstick Apathy
So apparently Poots is giving a 'major' speech on foreign policy shortly, presumably in response to the Finland news. Is there anywhere covering or broadcasting this?

Tai
Mar 8, 2006
Putin leaves office and writes his memoirs. A book idealised by his fans on a stand on the coffe table while mocked by others for its comedy value.

How I railroaded a country in one year - Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin

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Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

Shaman Tank Spec posted:

Finland's Nato membership drew sour comments in Russian media -- a journalist suggests nuclear land mines on the border
In Russian state-controlled media propagandists considered Finland's decision a mistake and predicted retaliation.

Oh yeah well Finland will deploy laser landmines and a nuclear proof shield!!!!

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