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Empress Theonora
Feb 19, 2001

She was a sword glinting in the depths of night, a lance of light piercing the darkness. There would be no mistakes this time.
B!!!

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ThatBasqueGuy
Feb 14, 2013

someone introduce jojo to lazyb


B

time to return to a nice welcome

Beachcomber
May 21, 2007

Another day in paradise.


Slippery Tilde
B, please.

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

ZiegeDame posted:

B

Having conquered Old Carthage, we must return to Even Older Carthage.

zedar
Dec 3, 2010

Your leader
A. Egypt all the way.

Chatrapati
Nov 6, 2012
A Pharaonic Christinity is phab.

Sybot
Nov 8, 2009
A. Let's not get involved directly in whatever's going on in the Holy Land, but get ourselves a seat where we can watch.

Chronometry
Jul 19, 2022
B. Time is naught but a circle, after all.

(Does this mean we're leaving the Narrow Sea behind and following Elissa's Adventure instead?)

Luca_024
Dec 26, 2022
I'm sure going Back to Canaan won't lead to any protracted religious conflicts with lasting consequences.

Enrico la Spaniard
Dec 15, 2021

Goin' Back home

hashashash
Nov 2, 2016

Cure for cancer discovered!
Court physicians hate him!

Chronometry posted:

B. Time is naught but a circle, after all.

(Does this mean we're leaving the Narrow Sea behind and following Elissa's Adventure instead?)

Yep, we'll be following her as she voyages towards wherever this vote chooses.

If she wins any kingdoms, it'll separate from Narrow Sea and be given to one of her younger, landless sons -- who we'll then follow for the next updates.

We will have a glimpse at the Narrow Sea from time to time though, see how they're doing without us

hashashash fucked around with this message at 16:13 on Mar 25, 2023

Obliterati
Nov 13, 2012

Pain is inevitable.
Suffering is optional.
Thunderdome is forever.
I Canaan believe this

Archaeology Hat
Aug 10, 2009
I'm going to go with A though I'd be happy with B.

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

yeah thats pretty good


B


Where is this? I can't tell from context where this is other than somewhere east of the Seine and west of the Urals.

I'd love a bigger "state of the world" at this point, since we're doing a tag switch, but I understand those can be time consuming.

theblastizard
Nov 5, 2009

Tulip posted:

B

Where is this? I can't tell from context where this is other than somewhere east of the Seine and west of the Urals.

I'd love a bigger "state of the world" at this point, since we're doing a tag switch, but I understand those can be time consuming.

That looks like it's going from Alsace to Poland, from not quite the coasts of Northern Germany to Switzerland/Austria in the south.

Tiger Crazy
Sep 25, 2006

If you couldn't find any weirdness, maybe we'll just have to make some!
D

hashashash
Nov 2, 2016

Cure for cancer discovered!
Court physicians hate him!

Tulip posted:

B

Where is this? I can't tell from context where this is other than somewhere east of the Seine and west of the Urals.

I'd love a bigger "state of the world" at this point, since we're doing a tag switch, but I understand those can be time consuming.

since the next update is basically Elissa 'voyaging' halfway across the world, I'll include a bunch of wider screenshots of everything we come across -- so all of europe, north africa, anatolia and the middle east


but yeah that pic is basically from the borders of modern-day France to eastern Poland

Mr.Morgenstern
Sep 14, 2012

C

I don't think we had any big LPs set there for a long time.

hashashash
Nov 2, 2016

Cure for cancer discovered!
Court physicians hate him!
:siren:Vote tally:siren:

A — Egypt — 15

B — Canaan — 23

C — Syria — 3

D — Anatolia — 1

E — Byzantion — 0



we're heading to the holy land

Bloody Pom
Jun 5, 2011



:holy::hist101::holy::hist101:

I am loving the tag-hopping nature of this LP.

hashashash
Nov 2, 2016

Cure for cancer discovered!
Court physicians hate him!


Part 7 — The Voyages of Elissa — 850 to 855


Ever has it been a Punic tradition to set sail into waters unknown, to found new colonies and cities, to make wealth and prosperity where they might be had, and to make war and conquest where they were not.

That was a practice that was begun with Elissa-Dido, and now, so many years and lifetimes later, her descendant and namesake would do the same.




Before departing, Elissa ensured that the castles in the south, the east, and the north were well-fortified, well-manned, and well-prepared for any aggressors seeking to take advantage of her absence.

To the east, the collapse of Nova Roma had plunged the region into chaos. A smattering of Punic and Neo-Roman warlords battled to reunite the region, whilst the Sclaveni Kingdom further south tackled civil wars and boy-kings.




At the same time, a pretender to the Roman Empire had risen amongst the Normans, though his claim was not widely recognised beyond his own court —




And to the north, the isles were in the usual flux of Britons, Slavs, Normans and Gaels, rising and falling with the seasons.




Well assured that the kingdom was stable and secure, the grand expedition launched in the year 852 — comprising the High King Elissa, several landless sons of hers, her entourage and retinue, ten thousand levies, hundreds of ships, and innumerable stock and supplies.



The earliest months were the smoothest, with the expedition steering through waters that were well-known and well-mapped. There were some stops at prominent ports — but the country of the Gauls had broken into a state of chronic lawlessness, where every chief and village seemed to rule independent.



From there, the expedition hurried along to the craggier, unpeopled coasts of Iberia. There were few ports or major towns in which they could re-supply, but Elissa dispatched couriers to collect information wherever possible, and so learned that the kingdom of Vasconia had risen to dominate the northern half of the peninsula, whilst a Barcid lord had defeated his relatives and restored the ancient crown of Spania in the south —




There was a very old rivalry between the dynasties of Mago and Barca, however, so Elissa decided not to tarry overlong.

Through the pillars of the world they sailed, and thence they went into those waters known as Yam Shelanu — “our seas”, according to Great Carthage… except that they now belonged to pirates, and marauders, and ill-made men of every vice and sin.

From this point onward, the voyaging became more dangerous. There were threats and confrontations, raids and skirmishes, with Elissa’s fleet even coming into conflict with the corsair-prince of Sardinia. The high king would have the better of that clash, however, when she disembarked her army to capture and sack the capital of the isle —




The rest of the island was similarly infested with pirates and peasants, so Elissa installed one of her sons to root them out whilst she returned to the seas, and made bearing for a far grander prize —



Qart Hadasht, the Ever-Shining, the Metropolis, the City of Cities. As her ships rounded the Golden Peninsula and caught sight of the city, however, Elissa found herself… filled with sorrow.

She walked into the ancient city that her own people and kingdom had sprung from, and found none of the wealth and glory that the stories and legends had insisted on. There were no marble palaces on the high hill of Byrsa, there were no markets brimming with goods and wares, there were no harbours packed with ships from all across the world. The city was depopulated, riddled with ruins, bereft of the riches and opulence she had once possessed.

This was the legacy of Metallo.



Indeed, the city wasn’t even independent anymore. After being repeatedly sacked by the Numidians — or rather, the Numidio-Punics, a hybridisation of Numidia after centuries of Punic cultural domination — the city had been seized by another conqueror…



The Graeco-Punic lord of Magna Punica — who had converted to a strange religion known as Islam — and now ruled this city it from his court in Sicilia.

This king had even heard of the voyages of the wandering monarch, and invited Elissa to his court. She acquiesced, and was received warmly in Sicilia, partaking in the feasting and dancing for nigh on a month before finally announcing that she had to move on.



The king, a scion of the Bodona dynasty, tried to convince her to stay, warning her that to the east, the Holy Land was in disarray and mayhem, but Elissa managed to diplomatically extricate herself, and soon she was back on the seas and sailing for Old Canaan.

She was soon taken with sickness, however, and the expedition had to make an unexpected halt at Kerkyra — a city that belonged to the Hellenic League, a powerful Jewish-Greek republic that dominated the Aegean and Levantine seas.




From there, she was escorted to the capital, a wondrous city that had withstood a dozen dozen invasions of the Germanic kingdoms to the north — the Goths, Lombards, Vandals, Visigoths, Hemunthuris, and more — and grown wealthy of their tribute and trade.





Also during this brief interlude, she learnt of the ongoing rivalry between the Hellenic League and the ‘Princedom of Phoenicia’ — Greeks and Canaanites, still scuffling over the seas so many centuries later.




After several weeks spent in recovery, Elissa departed and madesail for the final objective of her voyage — Tyros, the place from whence her namesake and ancestor had fled to found the city of Carthage, years and centuries and millennia into the murky, distant past.

But the fickle gods had schemes of their own. Stirring the seas into a frenzy, the expedition was struck by storm and squall that threw them off-course, dashing dozens of ships into rocky coasts and dragging dozens more into watery deaths. The flagship, bearing Elissa and her family, was fortunately amongst the former, and she managed to make a dangerous landing in the ancient country of Canaan.




The lord of those lands immediately raised a host to confront her — and Elissa, the old and weary king of a very distant place, gathered her own levies and retinue, and prepared to meet the approaching army.

Elissa had many talents, but she was not exactly known for her battle-experience… even so, as she told herself time and again throughout these voyages — she was the daughter of Metallo, who conquered Carthage and sacked Rome, and Sif, the shieldmaiden, the viking, and the only person to ever defeat Metallo in battle. That surely counted for something.



The fighting was foreign to her. Everything was strange — the country, the tactics, the armour and the weapons, and the men who wielded them.

That said, Elissa made a worthy commander, as she countered the enemy charges with a counter-charge of her own, one that she led herself, breaking their ranks and then shattering their morale.



The battle ended in victory… but at a heavy coast, as Elissa took a wound in the fighting. She was thus forced to retire, whilst one of her younger sons — Adonibaal — took charge of the expedition, and led her host to besiege and capture the walled town of Gazza.




By the time he had seized the town and returned to his mother’s bed, she was dead.




Elissa — the Bright, the Great, the High King, the Long-lived, the Voyager — was buried at sea. In the distant land of her birth, the kingdoms of the Narrow Sea were already ruled by her eldest son and heir; but in the land of her ancestors, in Canaan, she left behind her youngest son and her expedition, trapped in a country they knew almost nothing about.



To their woe, they would soon find out.





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Political map:


Religious map:


Cultural map:


Dynasties map:


Development map:

hashashash fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Nov 10, 2023

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


Now *that's* a blob

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

yeah thats pretty good


lmao what a reveal

Rejected Fate
Aug 5, 2011

...If I may, my liege, I have a suggestion on what faith we should convert to...

And technically I believe Phoenicia has our grandmother city, so all we need to do is beat them up!

I'm glad the Numidians have been able to turn the tables somewhat, good for them. Christo-Buddhism seems to be doing pretty well. Druidism got some BIG gains in Iberia, major boon for them. And that Ari Vatsa is an easily overlooked part of the map but might become neat in the future!

Ikasuhito
Sep 29, 2013

Haram as Fuck.

"... Right, back on the boat!"

ThatBasqueGuy
Feb 14, 2013

someone introduce jojo to lazyb


im sure they're nice

Dance Officer
May 4, 2017

It would be awesome if we could dance!
I'm sure they'll enjoy our theology.

Hellioning
Jun 27, 2008

Well that's a problem.

megane
Jun 20, 2008



That map deserves a slow, dramatic zoom out while O Fortuna slowly crescendos

AJ_Impy
Jun 17, 2007

SWORD OF SMATTAS. CAN YOU NOT HEAR A WORLD CRY OUT FOR JUSTICE? WHEN WILL YOU DELIVER IT?
Yam Slacker
Time to convert them to the true faith.

Which one is that again?

ChaseSP
Mar 25, 2013



Time to accept the Prophets light haha oh we're hosed unless they immediately fragment.

ThatBasqueGuy
Feb 14, 2013

someone introduce jojo to lazyb


I'm surprised Rome was that developed tbh, probably a good thing they got sacked

Bloody Pom
Jun 5, 2011



The more things change, the more they stay the same...

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

Wait, al-Mansur the Umayyad?

Something about that doesn't seem right

Mr.Morgenstern
Sep 14, 2012



Hang on, what are the Anglo-Saxons doing in Iceland?

edit: They've been there the whole time??

also: The Hellenic religion is almost completely gone, but the Cultus Deorum or w/e is spreading everywhere in Europe. The Romans may be withdrawing, but their gods are moving forward. Also, a bunch of Muslim sects appear to have fled westward as the Caliphate strengthens its hold on the Middle East. Tengriism is also supplanting native faiths.

Mr.Morgenstern fucked around with this message at 09:22 on Apr 6, 2023

Chronometry
Jul 19, 2022
...does anyone know any Punic swear words? I feel we're in desperate need of some.

Livewire42
Oct 2, 2013
We're gonna need a bigger boat.

Ralepozozaxe
Sep 6, 2010

A Veritable Smorgasbord!
No guarantee that they could have stopped them, but lol that Metallo killed Carthage when they could haven been a possible challange to the Caliphate.

NewMars
Mar 10, 2013
I just looked at the map and it looks like the narrow sea kingdom is facing problems too. Welp.

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Fivemarks
Feb 21, 2015
Jesus Christ.

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