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Mr. Funny Pants posted:I wonder if anyone has tried weaving thin, flexible solar panels into their outerwear to charge small batteries to heat the inside of their suits. For that matter I wonder if any of that is even possible or practical yet. This'll probably be a reality within a decade or two, and solo baaecamp-peak-basecamp endurance runs will become a thing.
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Mister Speaker posted:Right, I sorta knew this and I'm articulating it wrong, but I guess I just meant 'like, a lot more.' You're right about it being more of a gradient than a hard line. I guess what I'm asking is more; is Everest's altitude anywhere close to the physical limit where you just can't even breathe at all, and are there other factors that would make a mountain theoretically unclimbable? Like ante said, past 8000 meters is the death zone. Beyond that point, your body starts dying. You can breathe, but you are using more oxygen than you can breathe in. Your body stops digesting food because it needs what energy it would have used to do that to just stay alive. When people get into the death zone, they slowly turn into a zombie and just hope that they can shuffle back down below the death zone alive. So in order for a mountain to be unclimbable, it would need to be tall enough that you can't physically walk to the summit and back before your body just gives up in the death zone.
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from the wikipedia article on pressure suitsquote:The region from sea level to around 3,000 m (10,000 ft) is known as the physiological-efficient zone. Oxygen levels are usually high enough for humans to function without supplemental oxygen and decompression sickness is rare. i don't know enough about the current state of space activity suits and all that to have an opinion on when rich people will start using them to climb mountains, but they'll definitely start doing it. i'll be curious to see how much the non-suit-users look down on the suit-users. the main thing i hope is that the sherpas get suits.
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Mr. Funny Pants posted:I wonder if anyone has tried weaving thin, flexible solar panels into their outerwear to charge small batteries to heat the inside of their suits. For that matter I wonder if any of that is even possible or practical yet. No. Or, at least, solar panels won't do anything. Sun directly heating you is 100% efficient already. Batteries that are just big enough to heat you for a couple days probably already exist. But I don't think heating is much of an issue. Those huge survival suits seem to be fine, as long as you don't try to sleep out in the open.
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And to answer the whole "barely climbable" thing, the limit probably isn't that much further. A mountain that was 9,500m high, even if it was as technically easy to climb as Everest is, would be unclimbable for >99% of human beings. The extra effort and time required in the death zone would render it essentially impossible. Even Everest is probably unattainable for >95% of people without the use of supplemental oxygen. ante posted:No. Yeah I don't really think the cold is what's killing too many people. Staying out overnight is survivable in the suits they wear, but the time spent being hypoxic is what gets you, and would do so even if you were warm. PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 05:05 on Apr 5, 2023 |
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Finding Michael on Hulu is a good watch for Everest sickos. Made the whole climb look incredibly grueling and unrewarding. And that even before they start looking for bodies.
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Outrail posted:This'll probably be a reality within a decade or two, and solo baaecamp-peak-basecamp endurance runs will become a thing. Not Everest but here is Kilian Jornet on his record summit of the Matterhorn and back https://youtu.be/vAeHysSVMUk
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I enjoyed a short scifi story about being the first to climb a 60k+ peak on some far off world. It doesnt seem to be trying for accuracy but has some of these ideas, being way past where you can survive. https://www.lightspeedmagazine.com/fiction/walk-nameless-ridge/
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Mr Beef Head posted:I enjoyed a short scifi story about being the first to climb a 60k+ peak on some far off world. It doesnt seem to be trying for accuracy but has some of these ideas, being way past where you can survive. I like the narrated by stupid boomer who loathes stupid boomers especially himself
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The great tragedy of Everest is not that it's so hard to get up, but that it's just slightly not hard enough. If it were just a bit more technical of a climb, tourists with no climbing experience would just not be able to manage it at all, and the death toll would be hundreds of people fewer. K2 is only a tiny bit taller but nobody can climb it without years of high altitude technical climbing experience. So even though it's also more deadly per attempt, far fewer people have died climbing it.
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Leperflesh posted:The great tragedy of Everest is not that it's so hard to get up, but that it's just slightly not hard enough. If it were just a bit more technical of a climb, tourists with no climbing experience would just not be able to manage it at all, and the death toll would be hundreds of people fewer. K2 is actually shorter than Everest, but it's far more dangerous to climb. Also the name K2 sounds dangerous and forbidding on its own, it's not a "natural" name for a place, since they never gave it a name beyond its survey designation (Karakoram 2), which drives down tourist interest in the mountain. orange juche fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Apr 5, 2023 |
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Leperflesh posted:The great tragedy of Everest is not that it's so hard to get up, but that it's just slightly not hard enough. If it were just a bit more technical of a climb, tourists with no climbing experience would just not be able to manage it at all, and the death toll would be hundreds of people fewer. Tragedy? Everest is to upper management as wolves are to the caribou herd.
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If K2 was the tallest mountain all the dipshit CEO amateur climbers would attempt to climb that instead, and the problem would solve itself rather quickly.
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ante posted:No. Even with the suits and direct sun, don't we still hear about frostbite even to covered parts of the body?
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Leperflesh posted:The great tragedy of Everest is not that it's so hard to get up, but that it's just slightly not hard enough. If it were just a bit more technical of a climb, tourists with no climbing experience would just not be able to manage it at all, and the death toll would be hundreds of people fewer. That's obviously incorrect. The prime reason there's far fewer attempts on K2 isn't the technical side, it's that it's not the tallest.
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Deptfordx posted:That's obviously incorrect. The prime reason there's far fewer attempts on K2 isn't the technical side, it's that it's not the tallest. And the logistics to actually get there
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Deptfordx posted:That's obviously incorrect. The prime reason there's far fewer attempts on K2 isn't the technical side, it's that it's not the tallest. There would be far fewer attempts on Everest but probably not an equal increase of attempts on K2. People are pretty reckless but a two-thirds chance of making it to the top and a 1% chance of dying is way different than a 30% and a 15% (which ofc would shoot way up) chance of dying.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY46GnlWKqU enjoy some chill K2 hiking vibes
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K2 requires actual climbing skills compared to just being a very difficult hike effectively.
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ChaseSP posted:K2 requires actual climbing skills compared to just being a very difficult hike effectively. Dude made it look like a chill jaunt to the summit though.
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We need a supervillain to grind off the top of Everest so K2 is the tallest.
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Facebook Aunt posted:We need a supervillain to grind off the top of Everest so K2 is the tallest. I was literally going to post something similar earlier: how many cruise missile strikes would it take to dethrone Everest? And, maybe unrelated to height but didn't that earthquake a few years back drastically change some of the ascent, like the Hilary Step is gone now or something? And again, I'm probably articulating the question poorly but how much of that "just a very difficult hike" thing is retroactively due to Everest's popularity? The tourism and attempts have only gone up every decade so I wonder if the local government undertook significant effort to make parts of the mountain at least somewhat accessible?
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K2 requires massive technical skill and then there's a 1 in 6 chance the mountain decides to just murk you anyway
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Mister Speaker posted:I was literally going to post something similar earlier: how many cruise missile strikes would it take to dethrone Everest? They do this in The Years of Rice and Salt. Well, not cruise missiles. Tube artillery.
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Facebook Aunt posted:We need a supervillain to grind off the top of Everest so K2 is the tallest. Villain?
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I meant to type "shorter" honestly lol But yeah it's not just that K2 is not the tallest, it's also much harder to get to and much much much much harder to climb. You cannot summit K2 if you haven't got years of experience with technical high altitude climbing. There's no way sherpas are setting up ropes and oxygen bottles for you so you can just walk. Look how bad poo poo gets on Everest when the climbers have to deal with the Hillary Step, which requires you to actually climb. Now imagine several thousand meters of that. It's not possible. Instead of blowing the top off everest, could we like, steepen it? Crack some sides off it.
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Facebook Aunt posted:We need a supervillain to grind off the top of Everest so K2 is the tallest. Hell no, we need a mad scientist to make it (either Everest or K2 really) 500m taller
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Leperflesh posted:I meant to type "shorter" honestly lol The Black Pyramid and the Bottleneck are really the worst parts of K2 and I think its only about 1000 meters of 60 degree incline together between them. Still, 60 degree slope is so steep you're hanging on your fixed ropes and only moving up with your ascent device/ice axe for an entire kilometer of mountainside. Most of the rest can be done freely or with climbing poles
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Outrail posted:Put K2 on top of Everest Break off Everest and drop it into the Marianas trench if you want to be a supervillain
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Mister Speaker posted:Right, I sorta knew this and I'm articulating it wrong, but I guess I just meant 'like, a lot more.' You're right about it being more of a gradient than a hard line. I guess what I'm asking is more; is Everest's altitude anywhere close to the physical limit where you just can't even breathe at all, and are there other factors that would make a mountain theoretically unclimbable? Everest is also close to the physical limits of how high mountains can reach on this planet.
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Pretty sure I've posted this before but Alan Arnette's blog about climbing K2 is excellent and really makes you realise how loving hard it is. The summit push and descent report are really well written and I feel exhausted just reading it.
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Platystemon posted:Everest is also close to the physical limits of how high mountains can reach on this planet. This might be what I was misremembering, can you elaborate on why that is? Mountains are formed from tectonic plates being pushed up, right? Is it because of the thickness of the plate?
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Mister Speaker posted:This might be what I was misremembering, can you elaborate on why that is? Mountains are formed from tectonic plates being pushed up, right? Is it because of the thickness of the plate? Gravity pulls the mountain back down
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Just drill down the length of it and install an elevator smdh
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PittTheElder posted:Hell no, we need a mad scientist to make it (either Everest or K2 really) 500m taller We need a mad scientist to make it sentient.
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