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Bloodborne isn't on PC because the game's timings rely on 30 frames per second. I finished culinary trade school.
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# ? Apr 6, 2023 09:32 |
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# ? Jun 3, 2024 21:41 |
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Bloodborne will work on a pc emulator within 2 years. Okay maybe 5.
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# ? Apr 6, 2023 09:34 |
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maybe pc gamers should just accept the ramifications of their loyalty to such a clownish lifestyle
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# ? Apr 6, 2023 09:37 |
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Heard joke once: Man videochats a doctor. Says he's depressed. Says his hobby is expensive and demanding. Says he feels all cramped up sitting behind a desk hunched over like a craven recluse. Doctor says, 'Treatment is simple. Great clown Pagliacci is in town tonight. Go and see him. That should help you out.' Man bursts into tears. Says, 'But doctor…I am Pagliacci.' Good joke. Everybody laugh. Roll on snare drum. Curtains.
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# ? Apr 6, 2023 09:51 |
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Unpopular video game opinion: I am stupid and video games were more enjoyable before goons made me realize I was stupid.
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# ? Apr 6, 2023 09:55 |
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HAmbONE posted:Unpopular video game opinion: I am stupid and video games were more enjoyable before goons made me realize I was stupid. Games are good and I posit that it is goons who are stupid
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# ? Apr 6, 2023 09:58 |
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Vic posted:Bloodborne isn't on PC because the game's timings rely on 30 frames per second. I finished culinary trade school. I can't think of any reason you couldn't force a PC version to 30 frames per second. There certainly are technical reasons why it's hard to port a game from a known, precise hardware and software environment to 'lol they could be running on anything from a potato to a top end machine with one of dozens of GPUs, two out of three of which aren't the one we tested on on the console' but it's not that.
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# ? Apr 6, 2023 10:01 |
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Playing carry in mobas sucks, it's weird right because if you autofill in league you get carry 90% of the time whereas you only get support in dota, maybe offlane occasionally The asynchronous Lane setup of dota is just A better system tho. That was the weirdest thing going to league from dota, having the enemy carries in directly opposing lanes is so weird, and top lane is just something from league I cannot grasp
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# ? Apr 6, 2023 10:03 |
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feedmegin posted:I can't think of any reason you couldn't force a PC version to 30 frames per second. There certainly are technical reasons why it's hard to port a game from a known, precise hardware and software environment to 'lol they could be running on anything from a potato to a top end machine with one of dozens of GPUs, two out of three of which aren't the one we tested on on the console' but it's not that. Oh they do it all the time, LA Noire comes to mind. And then everyone downloads a "60 FPS fix" that breaks absolutely random poo poo.
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# ? Apr 6, 2023 10:03 |
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feedmegin posted:I can't think of any reason you couldn't force a PC version to 30 frames per second. There certainly are technical reasons why it's hard to port a game from a known, precise hardware and software environment to 'lol they could be running on anything from a potato to a top end machine with one of dozens of GPUs, two out of three of which aren't the one we tested on on the console' but it's not that. Well the point is PC gamers would totally poo poo all over it as a lazy console port. Which I wouldn't disagree with. They're just waiting until they can redo it, slap a "Remaster" on it and release it on PS5 and PC for 70 buckaroos.
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# ? Apr 6, 2023 10:09 |
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JollyBoyJohn posted:Playing carry in mobas sucks, it's weird right because if you autofill in league you get carry 90% of the time whereas you only get support in dota, maybe offlane occasionally all moba gamers are playing carry, they're carrying the burden of their bad decisions and poor lifestyle choices
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# ? Apr 6, 2023 10:23 |
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Devils Affricate posted:Yeah exactly, there's some work involved but it's trivial since everything's more or less running on the same hardware at this point. The thing keeping popular console games off of PC is 100% exclusivity deals, though thankfully those seem to be getting less popular. I think we do ourselves a real disservice by using terms like "effort". When it comes to development teams, even the smallest change on an eCommerce site requires a gently caress tonne of effort. The real matter is cost since that's what drives business decisions and that's what funds those efforts. It's placing an overly individualistic framework over collaborative business work. That said, the cost of porting a game isn't high, they will see a return, it's just that businesses believe they'll see a greater return by investing that money somewhere else.
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# ? Apr 6, 2023 10:31 |
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Nobody has to call themselves an Xbox gamer or a playstation gamer. But "PC gamers" feel the need to specify because they know they're the lowest of the low and want some kind of recognition for their terrible life choices.
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# ? Apr 6, 2023 11:49 |
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People with a Switch don't even need to refer to themselves as gamers at all, for obvious reasons.
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# ? Apr 6, 2023 12:16 |
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I'm not a gamer, I'm a game.comer
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# ? Apr 6, 2023 13:17 |
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I'm a playstation gamer 😎
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# ? Apr 6, 2023 13:31 |
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Vic posted:Bloodborne isn't on PC because the game's timings rely on 30 frames per second. I finished culinary trade school. someone was able to mod the PS4 version to run at 60fps with correct timing, if they could do it without the source code then i'm sure a port could pull it off https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hDIvDPRcPA fromsoft seem to have been steadily decoupling game logic from framerate in newer games, there's also mods to run sekiro and elden ring at >60fps on PC
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# ? Apr 6, 2023 13:55 |
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They should make games punish people for high framerates because they're loving nerds. I like video games and they are fun to relax to. I'm looking forward to Redfall, seems like fun. Also I think they should port more games to the Apple computers, I heard they don't have games, so they could use it.
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# ? Apr 6, 2023 14:57 |
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feedmegin posted:I can't think of any reason you couldn't force a PC version to 30 frames per second. There certainly are technical reasons why it's hard to port a game from a known, precise hardware and software environment to 'lol they could be running on anything from a potato to a top end machine with one of dozens of GPUs, two out of three of which aren't the one we tested on on the console' but it's not that. I can think of a reason Op: the developers suck rear end.
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# ? Apr 6, 2023 14:58 |
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But doctor, I am elden ring
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# ? Apr 6, 2023 15:39 |
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George posted:What the gently caress are you arguing about? This is so loving stupid. I tried this and it said it would be too complicated without the source code, so I asked it to port Pacman to Javascript in the browser as a test and... not bad. I had to fix draw order and tell it to keep adding things like pellets or ghosts or not have pacman move through walls, but the AI wrote all the code. I think if we could just get it the Bloodborne source code as it said, by my very informed flawless estimate it would only take one week of people yelling at the AI before it made a perfect port (paste in dev console and it'll overwrite the page, arrow keys move, don't paste into a google homepage google window it doesn't like that): code:
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# ? Apr 6, 2023 16:02 |
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hey siri, port bloodborne
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# ? Apr 6, 2023 16:03 |
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Nice Van My Man posted:I tried this and it said it would be too complicated without the source code, so I asked it to port Pacman to Javascript in the browser as a test and... not bad. I had to fix draw order and tell it to keep adding things like pellets or ghosts or not have pacman move through walls, but the AI wrote all the code. I think if we could just get it the Bloodborne source code as it said, by my very informed flawless estimate it would only take one week of people yelling at the AI before it made a perfect port (paste in dev console and it'll overwrite the page, arrow keys move, don't paste into a google homepage google window it doesn't like that): AI can truly take us so far. But also don't google "javascript pacman" to get 500 pages of results of better versions (like that aren't broken and actually implement the game) that are as easy to copy and paste
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# ? Apr 6, 2023 16:17 |
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Yeah yeah, I should have tested it on something more obscure... Javascript Karate Champ? Edit: It's Karate Champ game is just a red square that I can move in any direction. I'm starting to suspect you can't port triple A games by yelling at an AI until they work. Nice Van My Man fucked around with this message at 16:28 on Apr 6, 2023 |
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JollyBoyJohn posted:Playing
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# ? Apr 6, 2023 18:06 |
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satanic splash-back posted:Nobody has to call themselves an Xbox gamer or a playstation gamer. But "PC gamers" feel the need to specify because they know they're the lowest of the low and want some kind of recognition for their terrible life choices. PC gamers don't call themselves anything, that's a label that console gamers made up to make themselves feel better about being console gamers. They don't call themselves Xbox gamers or Playstation gamers because when they do it starts a slapfight among other console gamers over which overpriced piece of hardware is the best one
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# ? Apr 6, 2023 18:08 |
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I'm a member of a disadvantaged and often maligned demographic: gamers
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# ? Apr 6, 2023 18:18 |
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I’ve totally heard pc gamers comparing frame rate/resolution as a form of tribalism Oh you play at only 1440p/90fps Or maybe now with - my pc has more color lights than yours
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# ? Apr 6, 2023 18:22 |
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Ritz On Toppa Ritz posted:I’ve totally heard pc gamers comparing frame rate/resolution as a form of tribalism iirc there was even a Steam group whose sole purpose was to "boycott" games that were locked to 30 Hz. Hilarious But I don't think that rises to the level of tribalism, like if you go to the Steam thread in Games no one there is going to tell you that you can't play games at 1080p. Some may refuse to do that themselves but those people know they're massively outnumbered by people who play games on older hardware
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# ? Apr 6, 2023 19:05 |
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Are there any games like Fable II for the pc? By like Fable II I mean do they have the ability for you to become a slumlord over your subjects whom you polygamously marry without their knowledge? Also silly English accents.
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# ? Apr 6, 2023 19:33 |
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I mean that sounds pretty nonsense. I play 1440p on PC, because I have 1440p monitor. I bought one, because my 3080 can comfortably run games on that resolution. Previously I had 1070 GPU and a 1080p monitor. If I ever upgrade to a later gen GPU (5000/6000 series) I'll also probably upgrade to a 4k monitor. Edit: But always Ray-Tracing on high. I'll lower other settings, before lowering the rays.
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# ? Apr 6, 2023 19:50 |
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From the Steam Hardware Survey: https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam?platform=pc 65% of users are rockin' 1920 x 1080, completely unsurprising. GPUs are all over the map, but most users are on a "budget" card that's perfect for 1080p gaming: RTX 3060, 2060, 1060, etc. No hardware elitist is buying these cards. The first card I'd really consider "high end" is the 3080, hanging around at 2.6% of users, and just lol if you buy a high end card like do you just hate money or what
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# ? Apr 6, 2023 20:42 |
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I say this as a person who has spent $40k purchasing 4 GPUs for a single desktop (with work money, they were V100s running homegrown CUDA applications shut up)
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# ? Apr 6, 2023 20:44 |
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QuarkJets posted:The first card I'd really consider "high end" is the 3080, hanging around at 2.6% of users, and just lol if you buy a high end card like do you just hate money or what I feel targeted My current bottleneck is my CPU and cooling on my surface pro (I use it for work, and instead of dealing with two machines, I just got an eGPU enclosure, a thunderbolt cable, and a 3080). Ideally I could just use my Deck and an eGPU, maybe one day. jokes fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Apr 6, 2023 |
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QuarkJets posted:From the Steam Hardware Survey: A lot of the high end videocards right now aren't going to gamers, there's exploding demand for discrete computational hardware in AI, since virtually all AI models run on GPUs. Just in time for all the cryptobros to stop buying them, too Until recently there was never much demand for discrete computer hardware - rendering and videogames were almost the only things that required it, and manufacturers could make enough to keep up with those markets. But the demand is going to keep growing because AI isn't going anywhere, until maybe someone starts making dedicated AI cards. deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Apr 6, 2023 |
# ? Apr 6, 2023 21:12 |
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Ideally nobody but video game people would buy graphics cards because the prices have gotten truly insane
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# ? Apr 6, 2023 21:20 |
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I'm expecting them to whiplash up again in a big spike over the next few years (because of AI) but also I am not an expert on economics and no one should make purchases based on my expectations. I just know that local AI models are starting to grow in popularity and capability now which means more people will be looking for video cards for their at-home AI rigs. The super high-end commercial grade video cards are all getting sucked up by big AI superclusters. e: Ironically those super high-end commercial cards are pretty comparable in price to consumer cards right now - an A4000 is "only" $1000, which is about $100 less than a comparable 4080 (though they're built for two different purposes and aren't exactly interchangeable, an A4000 would not perform nearly as well for games), because they're not competing across two different markets (gamers + AI [I guess three if there are still people crypto mining]) deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Apr 6, 2023 |
# ? Apr 6, 2023 21:22 |
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QuarkJets posted:From the Steam Hardware Survey: 1440p is 21% of the resolutions so it is coming up. 4k was less than 2%. Although there's one other thing that might change how we perceive this stats: Language (Windows) posted:
I didn't realize how big Steam is in China. That's probably going to skew the stats a bit.
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# ? Apr 6, 2023 21:42 |
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deep dish peat moss posted:A lot of the high end videocards right now aren't going to gamers, there's exploding demand for discrete computational hardware in AI, since virtually all AI models run on GPUs. Just in time for all the cryptobros to stop buying them, too The graphics card models used for games aren't a great choice for AI, you can use them if you're a hobbyist and own one anyway but I can think of several better choices than an RTX 3080 if you're building a system from scratch.
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# ? Apr 6, 2023 21:52 |
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# ? Jun 3, 2024 21:41 |
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Purely anedcodal, but most people I've seen discussing their specs for their local AI models are on 3070s/80s or 4080s. I assume someone interested in local AI models is probably also a nerd who plays videogames and would get some use out of a 30-series or 40-series for gaming, which would make it the better choice when choosing a card to spend $1k on. Not as good for AI, but more versatile for multi-purpose computer use. Maybe it's more of a case of someone having a high-end gaming video card, realizing they don't actually use it for much, looking for something to do with it and landing on local AI models, because that's pretty much how it happened for me But I don't think we've hit the point where the overall public is splurging on high-end cards for AI use yet, that's probably a year or two away based on where AI is at and how fast it's developing. I was really just pointing this out as a use case for why people would buy 3080s and above right now deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Apr 6, 2023 |
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