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So I ran into a deck that was basically “gently caress YOU IN PARTICULAR” incarnate, and I was wondering if anyone might know what it was? Forgot to save the replay, so I can’t check their list, but their endboard state was: -An activated “your opponent skips their next Main Phase 1” effect -A continuous spell that made both players skip their MP2 -A spell/trap negate for my Evenly Matched
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Quick Google suggests Amorphactor Pain, the Imagination Dracoverlord and Terminal World.
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Apr 2, 2023 00:55
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That would be Timeater and Terminal World. MBT played the 2011 version of it against Cimo on History of Jank. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N55swz7hJOU E: Right, Amorphactor Pain. Timeater is the classic one though. Fun fact: Timeater is one of a small number of monsters whose art is way more zoomed in than it has to be, who get classified as "Immortal" in Duelists of the Roses, alongside such winners as Moisture Creature and Servant of Catabolism. That clock looking thing is actually mounted on the stomach of a giant. Dabir fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Apr 2, 2023 |
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Apr 2, 2023 00:55
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Yeah, that fits the bill. I’m gonna go ahead and guess that it’s usually pretty inconsistent, though? Like, I’m just morbidly curious more than anything.
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Apr 2, 2023 01:09
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Regalingualius posted:Yeah, that fits the bill. Yeah, it's relying heavily on cards that can't be searched out and do barely anything alone, and the entire strategy is fragile as poo poo in the modern metagame because the only protection it has is that if you've got everything on the board, they don't get main phases to play cards in; they still get a battle phase if they've got monsters on the field, and the strategy's monsters aren't very big bodies, so they don't even necessairly get a win condition out of their lock. It's in the realm of 'I hope you get your combo turn one, because if you don't you've lost'. That History of Jank episode also shows its funniest possible counter: Exodia, the one deck that actually CAN win with no main phases or monsters on deck.
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Apr 2, 2023 02:35
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Pokemon youtuber and goon Reverend did a video about OCG vol. 1 for April Fool's Day. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs_jVtEA8og
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Took a bit of time last night to start the climb back out of Gold, and it was just wall to wall Numeron OTK decks at one point. One particularly obnoxious one seemed to have started the game with a hand that was, at the very least, Terraforming, Planet Pathfinder and two copies of Numeron Network. It was really annoying, negating their field spell search twice, only for them to have it anyway. I honestly would be glad to see Numeron Network banned in Master Duel. It's dumb anime bullshit that just doesn't work in a best of one format.
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Apr 3, 2023 14:30
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 https://roadoftheking.com/master-duel-duelist-cup-2023-march/
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Apr 3, 2023 19:11
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Skios posted:Took a bit of time last night to start the climb back out of Gold, and it was just wall to wall Numeron OTK decks at one point. One particularly obnoxious one seemed to have started the game with a hand that was, at the very least, Terraforming, Planet Pathfinder and two copies of Numeron Network. It was really annoying, negating their field spell search twice, only for them to have it anyway. I honestly would be glad to see Numeron Network banned in Master Duel. It's dumb anime bullshit that just doesn't work in a best of one format.
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Apr 3, 2023 19:22
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Irony Be My Shield posted:They do get to play 10 copies between Network, Pathfinder, Numeron Wall and Terraforming, it's not actually wildly unlikely they have a second or third copy. It's much better to negate the effect of Numeron Network if you can (that way they need both another Network + a hard drawn Calling to try again), or even to wait for battle phase and destroy Network so they can't use the effects of their Gates assuming you have a way to beat Megaclops.  Numeron OTK is one of those decks that feels really bullshit and indestructible if you don't know its weak points, but falls apart if you do. (Of course, this still falls into the problem of 'just draw the out, bro', but that's an inherent issue with best-of-one, not Numeron specific.)
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Apr 3, 2023 19:34
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E: Turns out I'm blind, that's a Master Duel event. 
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Apr 3, 2023 19:44
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Yeah. I've played enough Numeron decks that even I know the chokepoints, and I'm still languishing in low platinum with tier 1 decks. The main problem is just that handful of games where they just end up drawing more ways to go into the OTK than you have negates and interaction.
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Apr 3, 2023 20:05
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Skios posted:Yeah. I've played enough Numeron decks that even I know the chokepoints, and I'm still languishing in low platinum with tier 1 decks. The main problem is just that handful of games where they just end up drawing more ways to go into the OTK than you have negates and interaction.
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Apr 3, 2023 21:13
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 It is now officially confirmed: Tearlaments coming soon to Master Duel!
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What’s their game plan, for someone who’s totally unfamiliar with them?
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Regalingualius posted:What’s their game plan, for someone who’s totally unfamiliar with them? They mill cards from their deck and when their monsters hit the graveyard they can fuse into powerful boss monsters. Notably, they have ways to mill ON THEIR OPPONENTS TURN, so depending on how things work out they can start plays and start summoning on the opponent's turn. The most powerful and popular build for the deck was/is the Ishizu Tearlaments build, using the Ishizu fairies for even more milling shenanigans!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9bMk5SliIg
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Apr 6, 2023 07:36
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On top of that, Master Duel has some HUGE mill tools available that the TCG doesn't, like That Grass Looks Greener. So Tear's going to be even more absurd even with pre-emptive limits. I was going to say that I can't wait for Yu-Gi-Oh content creators to somehow be mad at Maxx C in the face of this, but I didn't even have to wait. They're nothing if not consistent. https://twitter.com/HardLegGaming/status/1643844353570357248
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Apr 6, 2023 07:58
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Cleretic posted:I was going to say that I can't wait for Yu-Gi-Oh content creators to somehow be mad at Maxx C in the face of this, but I didn't even have to wait. They're nothing if not consistent. The irony.
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Cleretic posted:On top of that, Master Duel has some HUGE mill tools available that the TCG doesn't, like That Grass Looks Greener. So Tear's going to be even more absurd even with pre-emptive limits. I dunno what hard Legg is crying about in this situation. Maxx cing on my turn in response to tear bullshit to plus off their poo poo gives me a better chance to play through their dozen interactions than I had in the tcg.
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Apr 6, 2023 13:38
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:I dunno what hard Legg is crying about in this situation. Maxx cing on my turn in response to tear bullshit to plus off
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Apr 6, 2023 13:43
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Nyaa posted:Should you not use maxx c on tear player’s turn? Pretty sure Tear does more summoning on your turn than its own turn.
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Apr 6, 2023 13:46
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TaurusOxford posted:Pretty sure Tear does more summoning on your turn than its own turn.
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Nyaa posted:Should you not use maxx c on tear player’s turn? No because they summon plenty and will out interact you if you can't just put enough cards in rotation.
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Apr 6, 2023 13:54
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Playing at locals, I have a ton of trouble playing branded with live twin spright. Probably skill issue, but I can’t find a way to play around it in game 1. Siding definitely helps but it’s rough. Anyone got possible tips? I side grave of super ancient organism, d barrier.
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Apr 6, 2023 14:57
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Nyaa posted:Should you not use maxx c on tear player’s turn? From what I know Tear's actually got genuinely interesting play around Maxx C, specifically because it can defer its plays in unusual ways. So it actually creates an interesting dynamic where the Maxx C-ing player really has to pick the best time to play it, but the Tear player always has alternative angles at play when they're hit with it beyond 'play into it or give up'. Just... y'know, don't tell anyone who makes their name streaming the game or making Youtube content, because every single one of them goes into a frothing rage at the thought of a Maxx C. To answer the question of 'what is HardLeg crying about', the clue is in the 'day 55'; he's been trying to find different ways to call for the card to be banned for approaching two months now. It's basically an angrier, less interesting version of Payne's gimmick. (Speaking of Payne: there's a very good chance that by the end of the month they're legitimately going to reveal Volcanic support in the next Duelist Pack, which is all Fire-themed) Cleretic fucked around with this message at 15:14 on Apr 6, 2023 |
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Yeah the Tearlaments cards all do something when they're sent to the graveyard by card effect, so you get a lot of value whenever you use one of the Ishizu mill 5s (or the in-archetype fusion monster that mills 5). The fact that the 3 core maindeck names shuffle monsters back to make fusions also means that the deck essentially never runs out of gas, as it can keep putting back its fusion monsters and summoning them again. The wildest part is that the pack includes Rulkallos. That was actually not in the first wave of Tearlament support, so we may actually be getting the entire deck including Cryme (omni-negate trap) and Scream (trap searcher and miller) at the same time.
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Apr 6, 2023 15:44
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I'll just be over here, waiting for the Bystials.
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Apr 6, 2023 16:03
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Once Bystials hit the game I’m probably taking a break again lol.
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Cleretic posted:Just... y'know, don't tell anyone who makes their name streaming the game or making Youtube content, because every single one of them goes into a frothing rage at the thought of a Maxx C. I know you’re probably still holding a grudge from MBT mocking you on stream, but you’ve got to let this whole ‘waaah yugitubers are combo babies’ thing go. It’s not healthy.
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Apr 6, 2023 16:59
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Idk i agree that maxx c isnt the boogieman so many content folks think and they should just chill
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Apr 6, 2023 17:05
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Also mbt sucks rear end so really him hating an opinion means that opinion probably is alright
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Apr 6, 2023 17:06
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I think many of the content folks are mostly doing it for the sake of content. If maxx c get banned, they will find something else to rage. Thumbs down doesn’t matter if it would get a million views i suppose.
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I mean, most of the ‘content creators’ calling for the card’s ban are actual high level event players so I’m a little inclined to believe they know what they’re talking about.
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Vandar posted:I know you’re probably still holding a grudge from MBT mocking you on stream, but you’ve got to let this whole ‘waaah yugitubers are combo babies’ thing go. It’s not healthy.
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Maxx c is annoying but there are much worse cards still legal in tcg ocg and MD. Complainijg about it is fine hard legs bit cry tweeting about it and replying to people who say "This seems a bit pointless and stupid" with "I guess one of us just doesn't want to live passively" is beyond pathetic. https://twitter.com/HardLegGaming/status/1643923606735400960?t=pHw1W6AXeJp6KE0N4fYXeA&s=19 Like...lol
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Maxx c is annoying but there are much worse cards still legal in tcg ocg and MD. This is where I'm at with it. I wouldn't cry if it was banned, but there's so much worse. Funnily enough, Hardleg added a Maxx C counter to his ladder climb streams with I believe the criteria that Maxx C was game determitive and it was sitting at zero. I think it was literally the first stream of the climb, but it came up like every game without actually winning the game. Also, he gets responses from some pretty poo poo people for these anti-maxx C tweets and he's been pretty patient with them and even explaining to them how to mute the hashtag if they don't want to see it. His reply there however is really 
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The upcoming meta is pretty poo poo for Maxx C isn't it?
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Kild posted:The upcoming meta is pretty poo poo for Maxx C isn't it? The only time Maxx C is not played at 3 is when a deck that doesnt special summon is meta relevant, like Floo. even then it wasnt the only deck in the running, so it got played. Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Apr 6, 2023 |
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Rigged Death Trap posted:The only time Maxx C is not played at 3 is when a deck that doesnt special summon is meta relevant, like Floo. Yeah I misremembered, it was Ash that some lists cut.
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