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Vile_Nihlist666 posted:I know this heresy, but trackballs are better than mice. The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Serious Hardware/Software Crap > Should I buy a $100 trackball?
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Josh Lyman posted:I've been using a G502 for over 8 years and I think it's time to switch to wireless. I like the shape but I wish it were lighter and I can’t really reach the DPI shift button with my palm grip. The G502 X line seems to address both concerns along with changing to optical switches. The G502 X rules and it's down to like $125 now. The only difference between the normal Lightspeed and Plus is the RGB, yes
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Apr 6, 2023 14:55
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Vile_Nihlist666 posted:I know this heresy, but trackballs are better than mice. You mean for like ergonomics, right? Must be next to impossible to game on those.
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Apr 6, 2023 18:50
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Somewhere there must be a person playing CS with a trackpad
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Apr 6, 2023 19:48
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I knew a guy who played WoW with a trackball for a while. I would never have believed it if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes
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Apr 7, 2023 04:39
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Pvt. Parts posted:You mean for like ergonomics, right? Must be next to impossible to game on those. Depends on the trackball. Elecom Huge trackballs are pretty nice. You'd lose a little fine precision but your mobility would be better, I'd imagine.
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Apr 7, 2023 04:48
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Branch Nvidian posted:The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Serious Hardware/Software Crap > Should I buy a $100 trackball? Less than $100, even. Vile_Nihlist666 fucked around with this message at 04:55 on Apr 7, 2023 |
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Apr 7, 2023 04:51
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I remember trackballs. There was a Macintosh LC II in my high school with one. Pool balls fit it perfectly. Good thing we left those in the 90s.
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Apr 7, 2023 08:55
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Are there RGB trackballs
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Apr 7, 2023 09:07
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VelociBacon posted:Are there RGB trackballs Of course there are: https://groovygamegear.com/webstore/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=270
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Apr 7, 2023 13:59
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Thanks Ants posted:Somewhere there must be a person playing CS with a trackpad somewhere there's a guy playing CS with a fishing controller, and he's pwning
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Apr 7, 2023 16:06
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Vegetable posted:Dumb semi-related question: is there anything I can buy to keep my hands warm while using a mouse? I’m thinking like a giant mitten that’s flat at the bottom that can accommodate a palm a mouse and then some. Or something like that.
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Apr 8, 2023 06:06
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Josh Lyman posted:I've been using a G502 for over 8 years and I think it's time to switch to wireless. I've had a G502 for probably the same amount of time and it's still going strong (although I literally use an electric lint remover to grind down the frayed "hairs" on the braided cord). It's not my daily driver any more, but it gets a lot of use and I'm almost afraid to entirely get rid of it because it feels blessed in a way mice nowadays never are.
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Apr 9, 2023 04:14
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I used the Microsoft trackball daily for like a decade, including for WoW, it did fine. Nowadays the Elecom Huge is a reasonable replacement, although fine adjustments/nudges generally don't go smooth. Like it sticks very slightly, you can't just nudge a few pixels. I'm going to try swapping out the bearings, might clear it up, but I think it's mainly because I don't have it on a stable surface and the way you have to grip a trackball when it's on your leg or the couch makes fine movement a little difficult. I think there's a kind of person who's also a keyboard nerd who hears "swap out the bearings" and is intrigued, but if you're not that kind of person absolutely no shade.
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Apr 10, 2023 18:01
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zachol posted:I used the Microsoft trackball daily for like a decade, including for WoW, it did fine. Nowadays the Elecom Huge is a reasonable replacement, although fine adjustments/nudges generally don't go smooth. Like it sticks very slightly, you can't just nudge a few pixels. The bearings are probably not helping. The stock bearings in the Huge and Deft Pro just suck for some reason. The difference after swapping out them out was immediately noticeable.
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Apr 11, 2023 01:06
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Is there a goonsensus on a good trackball mouse? Had some wrist pain and was advised to get either a trackball or a vertical mouse, and leaning towards trackball. Ideally want something with Bluetooth since it'll go between my work & personal computers. Mostly work & some light gaming, probably still use my regular mouse for anything FPSy. One I'm looking at is the MX Ergo Plus. https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-ERG...ps%2C233&sr=8-2 Not sure if something like that is best, or a more traditional trackball. No real budget since this will be a work thing, just can't be $tupid.
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Apr 16, 2023 05:30
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There's trackball discussion on this very page. There aren't many goons that use them, so the sample size is limited and you may be better off looking at a trackball reddit or something for more input. There is also the discussion of vertical mice 1-2 pages ago. More goons seem to have experience with those, but the sample size still isn't huge.
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Apr 16, 2023 19:03
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Josh Lyman posted:I've been using a G502 for over 8 years and I think it's time to switch to wireless. I like the shape but I wish it were lighter and I can’t really reach the DPI shift button with my palm grip. The G502 X line seems to address both concerns along with changing to optical switches. Now if Microsoft would just make wireless version of the Natural 4000.
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Apr 17, 2023 06:10
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As someone who uses a relaxed finger grip, really likes the size/weight of the Razer Orochi V2, but wants something a bit more well made, what would my options be? From doing some research I see Logitech Pro X Superlight, Lamzu Atlantis Mini, and Pulsar X2 Mini as viable options. Any I am missing?
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Apr 17, 2023 18:59
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Bondematt posted:Is there a goonsensus on a good trackball mouse? Absolutely--I converted to trackball in 2018 and it's been the best computer peripheral move I've made, even more so than an ortholinear split keyboard (ergodox & lily 58) That being said, save yourself the money and skip the MX Ergo Plus. I bought two several years back when I first converted and didn't know any better, and they're both just collecting dust in a drawer because thumb trackballs suck and irritate the same carpal nerves. Instead, get yourself an oversize index finger trackball mouse. I've been using the Elecom Deft Pro and it's one of my favorite things I've ever bought. Apart from the obvious joy of fondling a giant ball every day, it's actually great for alleviating nerve pain, and the larger trackball is more comfortable and intuitive to use than the thumb ball. It'll take a few days to get comfortable using it and for your brain to adapt to throttling the trackball with your middle finger acting as a clutch so to speak, but once you commit and get over the learning curve there's no going back. Moving my whole drat arm on a cramped lovely laser mouse is such a bad user interface, trackballs are such an unbelievable life improvement. Except thumb track balls, gently caress those things.
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Catatron Prime posted:Absolutely--I converted to trackball in 2018 and it's been the best computer peripheral move I've made, even more so than an ortholinear split keyboard (ergodox & lily 58) What perfect timing. I'm actually about to return my MX Ergo Plus cause I was feeling it in my wrist still. I got used to it surprisingly quick, but I did use a handheld thumb trackball over a decade ago when I was commuting by train. I'll give that Deft Pro a try, definitely going to take longer to get used to that, but looks like it has everything I need.
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Apr 19, 2023 22:05
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The Viper V2 is still €150, huh? The middle mouse button on my old Viper finally died for good and I've been meaning to get something with the same shape. Is the Viper V2 worth it at all or should I just get an Ultimate for half the price? edit: apparently the Viper V2 and the older Vipers aren't even the same shape? From what I'm reading, the Ultimate is a bit beefier in the back. Minorkos fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Apr 24, 2023 |
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Apr 24, 2023 20:07
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Keep in mind it doesn't come with the 4khz dongle so it's more expensive than you think.
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Apr 24, 2023 20:26
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Minorkos posted:edit: apparently the Viper V2 and the older Vipers aren't even the same shape? From what I'm reading, the Ultimate is a bit beefier in the back. it's the same shape https://www.eloshapes.com/index.html?mouse=Razer%20Viper%20V2%20Pro&mouse=Razer%20Viper%20Ultimate the main difference is the v2 is lighter and supports 4khz, but as mentioned you have to buy the 4khz dongle separately to take advantage of that if you do go for the v2 then don't pay full price for the dongle, there's nearly always a code to get it for half price (usually code "4000HZ") repiv fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Apr 24, 2023 |
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Apr 24, 2023 20:33
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Since it's been over a year, I figured I'd check back in and say that the Roccat Kone XP I got last March is still holding up great as my daily driver--no weird wear & tear issues, no bugs, no particularly frustrating gripes over the last year. Definitely haven't gotten any reasons to regret the purchase.
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Apr 26, 2023 05:00
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So I ended up getting the G502 Lightspeed, and it feels great. The bummer is I thought that it supported Qi wireless charging, and the only wireless charger seems to be a $100 mousepad. Is there another solution? Or should I lock myself into this proprietary charging system?
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Apr 27, 2023 02:12
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there are relatively cheap 3rd party modules for logitech mice which add standard qi charging https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=g502+qi
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Apr 27, 2023 02:42
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FAT32 SHAMER posted:So I ended up getting the G502 Lightspeed, and it feels great. The bummer is I thought that it supported Qi wireless charging, and the only wireless charger seems to be a $100 mousepad. Is there another solution? Or should I lock myself into this proprietary charging system? The way the charging mat works is that there's a disk on the bottom of the mouse that connects to the mouse's magnetic charging plates and contains a coil, and the bottom plates accept 5v. With the disk and mousepad combo you get both the charging disk that replaces the plastic door on the bottom of the mouse with the receiver coil and the mousepad that had a bunch of coils under it to charge the thing. There's third party alternatives for that like charging stands but they're not as slick since you have to stop using the mouse to charge and pop it on there: https://www.amazon.com/Soarking-Charging-Superlight-Lightspeed-Powerplay/dp/B08JFXFSJ2 On thingiverse there's a couple of 3d printed models of the same thing, you'd essentially strip back a USB cable and run 5V and ground to the two contact points: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4694238 https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5229398 The remix uses screws as the contacts which is probably easier. Anyway, I think the stand on amazon gives you a disk for the bottom which just has metal plates that pass through to the charging magnets in the mouse, but the 3d printed one you'd just remove the disk on the bottom and pop it on the stand. Like I said, it's a lot less convenient than leaving it on the mat for wireless charging but I don't really know what logitech uses. I doubt the coil in their powerplay disk is Qi compatible since it's pretty small, but I haven't really looked into it so it's possible someone's done some footwork into their own wireless charging coils, but other than homebrewing it that way the powerplay mat and disk seems like most convenient solution.
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Apr 27, 2023 02:48
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I forgot GN has a whole video about the powerplay charging mat and coin, it's pretty neat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBAzfflwDdU I'd buy one but I have like four mice that could use it and the extra coin disk things are 40 bucks or something.
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Apr 27, 2023 04:18
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I have a G903 with the charging mousepad and it mostly works as advertised (it does not like metal surfaces, like the metal backing of the Ikea desk mat I have). Not a hundred percent sure I would recommend it when it likely costs more than the mouse itself, but I do appreciate the convenience of wireless functionally without worrying about battery life. I haven't used any of the aftermarket Qi charging disks, but if they're anything like the Qi charging for my phone it's going to be fairly restrictive in where the mouse can sit to activate charging (i.e. you have to consciously put it on the charger and can't use the mouse during that time). The official Logitech mousepad in comparison lets you charge from basically anywhere on the mat, give or take some margin around the edges. It won't charge while you're actively moving the mouse around, but you'll be trickle charging every night without having to pay any attention at all.
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Apr 27, 2023 06:13
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I’ve had my G502X Lightspeed for a week and like it, but I do wonder about when I’ll have to charge it. I’m not sure Qi charging is much better than plugging in the USB. The Logitech charging mousepad would be nice but that’s a lot of money and would replace my current mousing surface which I’m not so hot on. That said, we’ll see how long the battery lasts. If it’s once every two weeks, I’m okay with charging Sunday nights or something similar.
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Apr 27, 2023 08:29
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Josh Lyman posted:I’ve had my G502X Lightspeed for a week and like it, but I do wonder about when I’ll have to charge it. I’m not sure Qi charging is much better than plugging in the USB. The Logitech charging mousepad would be nice but that’s a lot of money and would replace my current mousing surface which I’m not so hot on. It really depends on usage, my main G502 needs a charge every 3-4 days since I play 5+ hours of FPSes almost every day at the moment. The secondary 502 and the G Pro get limited use since they're on secondary and tertiary machines and for the former I'd say it's once a week with an hour or two of active use a day, and for the latter maybe every two weeks or less since it mostly clicks on links and opens VNC sessions for a minute or two to monitor stuff, probably less than an hour of active use a day. They're not too bad overall but definitely use more power than travel mice or mice designed for AA batteries like the G602. Some folks will mod in a smaller battery to save weight and while I'm sure that does decrease the weight I don't think I'd like to charge it every day unless I had one of the pads passively charging things.
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Apr 27, 2023 10:29
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Josh Lyman posted:I’ve had my G502X Lightspeed for a week and like it, but I do wonder about when I’ll have to charge it. I’m not sure Qi charging is much better than plugging in the USB. The Logitech charging mousepad would be nice but that’s a lot of money and would replace my current mousing surface which I’m not so hot on.
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Apr 27, 2023 14:01
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BTW those aren't Qi docks, they just connect to the charging pads on the bottom of the mouse under the disk. From the GN video and reviews of the soarking one it was pointed out that the mouse will intentionally only charge to about 70% power on those pads because they're meant for the powerplay coin/disk to be charging the mouse all of the time, so it protects the lipo battery by keeping it lower than full since it would be always charging on the PowerPlay mat.
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Apr 27, 2023 21:28
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Incidentally, there are Qi charging puck replacements that may work but I’m a bit wary of possibly blowing up my $140+ mouse, too.
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Apr 29, 2023 01:38
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necrobobsledder posted:Incidentally, there are Qi charging puck replacements that may work but I’m a bit wary of possibly blowing up my $140+ mouse, too. Oh yeah I do see those in some searches. It's tempting, I think it'd be hard to gently caress up 5v output especially since the mouse seems to be capable of cutting off the charging when it wants to on those pins. https://www.amazon.com/IVYGROW-Wireless-PowerCoin-Lightspeed-superlight/dp/B0B5HKF7JK is one. I think the main thing for me is that putting it onto a base and putting it onto a pad to charge is going to be a similar level of effort. At the moment I'm cable charging when I need to and it's often while I'm using the mouse if it says it's low and I figure I'll be moving it around for 6+ hours after the warning. The powerplay mat would probably work for me now that I know it can go under a mousepad but it still feels pricey due to the number of mice I have and receivers I'd want (like, at least two I guess).
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Thanks for the info everyone! I think for now I will keep it simple and just use the plug-in cable if I need to charge. The battery management of keeping it at 70% makes sense to me, so trying to use some third party adapter to make a glorified dock doesn’t make sense if that’s how it would be. I use a massive mouse pad due to a decade of arm aiming instead of wrist aiming, so I’d imagine the power play mousepad would eventually piss me off given that it seems to be relatively small, and I’m not keen on giving myself an RSI to make it work for me
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FAT32 SHAMER posted:Thanks for the info everyone! Josh Lyman fucked around with this message at 05:22 on Apr 29, 2023 |
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Bondematt posted:Is there a goonsensus on a good trackball mouse? The button switches in the MX Ergo (and presumably all Logitech products) suck poo poo and fail after two years; I'm using one right now and dragging with the left button is impossible because it stutters the entire time. Which is a shame because the thing is extremely comfortable.
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pseudorandom name posted:The button switches in the MX Ergo (and presumably all Logitech products) suck poo poo and fail after two years; I'm using one right now and dragging with the left button is impossible because it stutters the entire time. I had the same experience with a G703, replaced the switches with Kailh and it's been great. Those stock switches are just straight up trash and it was hilarious to realize that same crap was on their pro tier mice as well. The Deft Pro has been fantastic, I didn't like the drag of the original ruby bearing balls so I replaced them with ceramics which are working well.
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