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The decks I had Hit Monkey in I swapped for angela and it felt better. He’s completely fine imo. MODOK level of fun and points for his archetype
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I randomly unlocked thanos but don't have many of the standard toys that get used with him so I tried running a death/thanos mix, which is doing alright but not exactly catapulting me up the ranks. Here's what I am currently running, any suggestions? Deadpool, forge, beast, carnage, wolverine, venom, juggernaut, killmonger, shuri, she-hulk, thanos, death
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Apr 6, 2023 17:40
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Hit monkey counts himself for the buff?
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Apr 6, 2023 17:53
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Street Horrrsing posted:I randomly unlocked thanos but don't have many of the standard toys that get used with him so I tried running a death/thanos mix, which is doing alright but not exactly catapulting me up the ranks. Here's what I am currently running, any suggestions? I get what you're going for with Beast but, idk, Thanos decks often end up with pretty full hands as is thanks to all the extra draws from the stones. Seems like trying to do bounce on top of that is a good way to make it so you can't draw cards or even bounce everything you want to. Don't let me stop you if he's working out for you, though.
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Apr 6, 2023 18:02
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Snazzy Frocks posted:Hit monkey counts himself for the buff? No the card text says "each other card". Street Horrrsing posted:I randomly unlocked thanos but don't have many of the standard toys that get used with him so I tried running a death/thanos mix, which is doing alright but not exactly catapulting me up the ranks. Here's what I am currently running, any suggestions? This random snap.fan deck seems to be what you're going for, maybe a little refined. Ok cube rate for a small sample size. https://snap.fan/decks/232778/ canyonero fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Apr 6, 2023 |
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Apr 6, 2023 18:03
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He doesnt count himself, but he does count all other cards played that turn. You can play hit monkey as your first card or your fifth card in a 5-card turn and he'll still go to 8.
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Apr 6, 2023 18:05
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One caveat to that is that you always want to play Mysterio before Hit Monkey so he pops out his illusions. Other than that though order doesn't matter in the slightest.
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quote:April 6th - OTA Balance Updates quote:Our Balance Future
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Apr 6, 2023 20:12
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This sounds pretty good.
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Apr 6, 2023 20:15
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Those actually look like good changes. A couple of buffs to go with a couple of nerfs.
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Apr 6, 2023 20:15
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i am sick to loving death of shuri and you're telling me i've got another two loving weeks of having to deal with shuri decks, while nerfing Red Skull into the loving ground even harder what the gently caress this practically makes RS useless outside of Shuri decks. Zero -> RS on T6 is worse than Zero -> Attuma -> almost any other 1 drop
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Apr 6, 2023 20:16
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Sandwolf posted:i am sick to loving death of shuri and you're telling me i've got another two loving weeks of having to deal with shuri decks, while nerfing Red Skull into the loving ground even harder Uh, you realize it's not "we're not nerfing Shuri", it's "we have to futz with the game code and Apple demands a week's lead time before any app update" (ask me how I know that last bit).
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Apr 6, 2023 20:18
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..Also the last Red Skull nerf was a buff anyways.
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Quackles posted:Uh, you realize it's not "we're not nerfing Shuri", it's "we have to futz with the game code and Apple demands a week's lead time before any app update" (ask me how I know that last bit). it is still "enjoy two more weeks of Shuri decks" they have had a month of awareness about this.
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Apr 6, 2023 20:20
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I had my fun with Shuri on to the next meta defining over powered series 4 card. I’ll be surprised if the card doesn’t get the Leader Treatment.
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Sandwolf posted:i am sick to loving death of shuri and you're telling me i've got another two loving weeks of having to deal with shuri decks, while nerfing Red Skull into the loving ground even harder  Oh hi. Got this 1 minute ago so I am just going to join the Shuri mayhem in that amazing balanced card game, lost in stagnation while asking for monthly MMO fees 
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Apr 6, 2023 20:22
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OTA patch looks good, surprised by the Sunspot nerf but not displeased by it. I can only hope the Shuri nerf is going to be a total overhaul if it's going to take this long.
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Sandwolf posted:i am sick to loving death of shuri and you're telling me i've got another two loving weeks of having to deal with shuri decks, while nerfing Red Skull into the loving ground even harder The less of the nazi cards I see in the game, the happier I am. All of these changes are good as hell. Shadow King in Surfer Control? Yes please. Big boy Sentry in clog/junk? Absolutely yes. Sunspot 1:0 is alright, the only bad part is Kitty's gonna come back at some point. But this makes it easier to choose between Bast or Sunspot on 1 when both are in hand.
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Apr 6, 2023 20:23
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My best guess for how to nerf Shuri while still keeping her somewhat viable is just putting a cap on how high she can raise the next card to. Double the power of the next card (max 20) or something like that. Otherwise she's just a more expensive Forge.
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Apr 6, 2023 20:25
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Great news in general! Especially "shuri is the true offender"! But going from monthly to weekly? Seems like a lot!
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Apr 6, 2023 20:26
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Sandwolf posted:it is still "enjoy two more weeks of Shuri decks" they have had a month of awareness about this. in general, developers have been working on things before they tell you publicly they've been working on things. them having said this two weeks ago wouldn't change how long it'd take to come out
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flatluigi posted:in general, developers have been working on things before they tell you publicly they've been working on things. them having said this two weeks ago wouldn't change how long it'd take to come out then how did they effectively hit Thanos? Space Stone had to be reworked, same with Quinjet, it wasn't just numbers moving. So how were they on top of that one but Shuri has been allowed two months to dominate the meta?
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Apr 6, 2023 20:28
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my gut says 'they were also working on that patch for longer than you heard about it'
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flatluigi posted:my gut says 'they were also working on that patch for longer than you heard about it' but *that* deck only started dominating once they nerfed Surfer and Zabu??? also it's genuinely gross they let Shuri dominate the meta for so long and are going to nerf her probably literally the day she goes down to Series 3. That's gross.
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No Wave posted:Great news in general! Especially "shuri is the true offender"! But going from monthly to weekly? Seems like a lot! Every week for April, but only as a trial. You're right that weekly is probably too much in the long term but it could use a blitz. It's nice that they've committed to at least one buff a patch. There's a ton of poor cards in the game. I'm not sure the Sentry was that bad, but Shadow King sure was. The comment of having at least one buff every balance effort is good, and hopefully they go even further than that. It'll take time to figure out which cards need adjusting downwards after the Shuri nerf, but it's easy enough to identify a pile of cards that can safety be buffed.
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I have never thought that sunspot is a problem card. Bizarre! Shuri continues to be dumb. I like sentry change, 4/8 felt too baseline for the negatives but viper synergy stronger than ever now. Shadow King needs to be global to be effective otherwise he's only really bothering Angela bishop and hit monkey
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Snazzy Frocks posted:I have never thought that sunspot is a problem card. Bizarre! Shuri continues to be dumb. I like sentry change, 4/8 felt too baseline for the negatives but viper synergy stronger than ever now. Shadow King needs to be global to be effective otherwise he's only really bothering Angela bishop and hit monkey I think it's less that Sunspot is a direct problem, and more that Sunspot is one of the most played cards in the game, so this will hopefully encourage a bit more variety in that slot in more decks.
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flatluigi posted:my gut says 'they were also working on that patch for longer than you heard about it' Thanos was the good guy fun card, compared favorably here to the bad vibes of Galactus, and they actually buffed him because they thought he was weak. And then Zabu and Silver Surfer got an adjustment and Thanos suddenly it was obvious how broken Thanos was. His nerf was pretty fast.
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Snazzy Frocks posted:I have never thought that sunspot is a problem card. Bizarre! Shuri continues to be dumb. I like sentry change, 4/8 felt too baseline for the negatives but viper synergy stronger than ever now. Shadow King needs to be global to be effective otherwise he's only really bothering Angela bishop and hit monkey shadow king being global would make it almost as hated as leech
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Sandwolf posted:then how did they effectively hit Thanos? Space Stone had to be reworked, same with Quinjet, it wasn't just numbers moving. So how were they on top of that one but Shuri has been allowed two months to dominate the meta? When you're doing app development there are essentially 2 ways to update your app. The way the app stores will let you know is the only way, an app update which take about a week from cut to release for various boring reasons. The other way is to push a new bundle to the app, it's pretty much instant*. It would be very easy to push out numbers changes but it's very possible text changes require an app update, especially if the ability you want isn't on a different card already. * Android can be a bit funny about this.
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Mons Hubris posted:My best guess for how to nerf Shuri while still keeping her somewhat viable is just putting a cap on how high she can raise the next card to. Double the power of the next card (max 20) or something like that. Otherwise she's just a more expensive Forge. eh, that's an inelegant and non-natural design, plenty of other ways to do things from the outright wrecking encouraged by the more reactionary whiners (i.e. moving to 5 energy without a substantial power buff) to redesigns that either change the nature of the card (i.e. mega-Forge that pairs with Brood/Sinister) or just breaks her synergy with the taskmaster/zola clone effects (i.e. On Reveal: Double the power of your highest power card at this location [maybe paired with an energy cost reduction/etc. based on testing])
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Snazzy Frocks posted:I have never thought that sunspot is a problem card. Bizarre! Shuri continues to be dumb. I like sentry change, 4/8 felt too baseline for the negatives but viper synergy stronger than ever now. Shadow King needs to be global to be effective otherwise he's only really bothering Angela bishop and hit monkey Sunspot is weaker at lower CLs where you're probably hitting your drops every turn and theres no She Hulk. Once you have She Hulk he's amazing value, say you play Sunspot on 1, skip 5 and play She Hulk and Areo on 6. Suddenly he's 1/6 and youve played 17 other power. That's 22 power out of 5 and 6 which in the before times waa decent. And he can be out in a closed location etc. You can't sleeze a site off Sunspot with Prof X like you can with most 1 drops.
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I think I just don't get Bounce decks, they do a lot but feel really vulnerable to locations being bad and just no counterplay in them. I've been trying one out and it wins and loses but as soon as your opponent flips Shuri it's got nothing in the tank. What's the deal?
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it's not like 'losing to shuri' is something unique to bounce decks, but i think it's more of a deck that wants to try to fish for cubes than winrate
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I also don't really see the point of the Sunspot nerf but whatever I'm glad they are working to buff some cards in the game because there are a LOT of cards that no one really uses because they just aren't very useful in play. Sentry/Shadow King were two of those, but there are a lot of older cards that can use tweaking.
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I've often wondered if making Quicksilver a 1/3 makes him an insta lock for many decks
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Oh man that Max Grecke variant of Vulture rules.
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Chainclaw posted:I think it's less that Sunspot is a direct problem, and more that Sunspot is one of the most played cards in the game, so this will hopefully encourage a bit more variety in that slot in more decks. Yeah, it really feels like another Angela situation. Compare the brief note from back then: "- Angela [2/1] -> [2/0] Angela is a card that sees a lot of prevalence across many decks, so we’re nerfing her a bit to make other options more appealing." with the following line from that patch commentary: "All of this adds up to a solid criteria for a minor nerf, creating space for less-played cards to compete more often for slots in decks."
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the Sunspot nerf is probably deserved in terms of play rate and what he gives you vs. existing 1 drops, the thing that makes the change feel slightly awkward imo is the (currently on-hold) release of a comparable Series 5 card in Kitty Pryde, who accomplishes many of the same things (albeit with different specific synergies)
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A bigger problem is that a lot of 1 drops generally suck and Sunspot was probably the best one, especially of the early cards. The only other ones I use really frequently are Agent 13 and Ant-Man because he gives a bonus if you fill that lane.
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