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Dr. VooDoo
May 4, 2006


I mean that’s all the GOP is anymore so it’s not surprising. They’re a party of the pretended aggrieved whose only purpose is to whine about their pretend grievances so they can continue to get elected by people who also pretend to be aggrieved and hold everything up so they can stomp their feet and cry about how they’ve been wronged. There’s nothing else, anything related to actual governance or just keeping a basic baseline function going doesn’t cross their minds

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A GIANT PARSNIP
Apr 13, 2010

Too much fuckin' eggnog


I’m more surprised that a single person can jam up the senate for a year and no one has done it yet.

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

A GIANT PARSNIP posted:

I’m more surprised that a single person can jam up the senate for a year and no one has done it yet.

A single person has always been able to jam individual items forever without obstructing other business, that’s the procedural filibuster we all know and love. Doing it in a way that materially obstructs all other senate business makes all the other senators hate you. Plus now you have the actual military playing the national security card, even the most shitheaded republican theoretically wants to avoid that

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD

Dr. VooDoo posted:

I mean that’s all the GOP is anymore so it’s not surprising. They’re a party of the pretended aggrieved whose only purpose is to whine about their pretend grievances so they can continue to get elected by people who also pretend to be aggrieved and hold everything up so they can stomp their feet and cry about how they’ve been wronged. There’s nothing else, anything related to actual governance or just keeping a basic baseline function going doesn’t cross their minds

the party of Reagan

Jaxyon
Mar 7, 2016
I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

Bar Ran Dun posted:

It’s been making the news recently but I hadn’t seen it in this thread.

There is a stunningly fast expansion of battery and chip manufacturing occurring in the US. If you read about it, and doubt that it’s actually happening, yes it very much is (I’m watching it) and it’s IRA related.

Occurring?

Or being announced?

Furnaceface
Oct 21, 2004




Jaxyon posted:

Occurring?

Or being announced?

Most likely to be/being announced. VW just announced they are building a huge electric car battery plant here in Ontario and I cant imagine the US wont also be getting something similar given the push to get off gas vehicles in North America in general.

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




Jaxyon posted:

Occurring?

Or being announced?

Physically already occurring and stunningly fast.

VideoGameVet
May 14, 2005

It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion. It is by the juice of Java that pedaling acquires speed, the teeth acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion.

One of these things is not like the others,
One of these things just doesn't belong,
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
By the time I finish my song?

VideoGameVet
May 14, 2005

It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion. It is by the juice of Java that pedaling acquires speed, the teeth acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion.

Blind Pineapple posted:

What could even be done to remedy the obvious racism of the Tennessee legislature? I doubt there’s a legal solution.

Reenact Little Rock- National Guard 1957.



Send in the National Guard to escort the two ousted legislators back into the capital on the grounds that the expulsion was a violation of their civil rights.

VideoGameVet fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Apr 7, 2023

Mellow Seas
Oct 9, 2012
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

VideoGameVet posted:

One of these things is not like the others,
One of these things just doesn't belong,
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
By the time I finish my song?

Two of them have really cool hair, clearly the baldos in the TN legislature couldn’t handle it.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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This terrible Chudge finally did the thing everyone had been expecting for like a month

https://twitter.com/5DollarFeminist/status/1644467530948390914?s=20

It's being pointed out that this was dumped after 5 PM on Good Friday and that's probably on purpose

Cimber
Feb 3, 2014

FlamingLiberal posted:

This terrible Chudge finally did the thing everyone had been expecting for like a month

https://twitter.com/5DollarFeminist/status/1644467530948390914?s=20

It's being pointed out that this was dumped after 5 PM on Good Friday and that's probably on purpose

Ahh yes, the venue shopping of the GOP worked. No surprise there. Disgusting, and hopefully the 2nd court of appeals issues a stay while the appeals process goes forward and more than 7 days.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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Cimber posted:

Ahh yes, the venue shopping of the GOP worked. No surprise there. Disgusting, and hopefully the 2nd court of appeals issues a stay while the appeals process goes forward and more than 7 days.
I would be extremely surprised if they didn't stay this on appeal, this entire case is nonsense. Also that drug is used for many other things besides abortion.

Cimber
Feb 3, 2014

FlamingLiberal posted:

I would be extremely surprised if they didn't stay this on appeal, this entire case is nonsense. Also that drug is used for many other things besides abortion.

Normally I would agree, but the 5th is a really conservative bench. One Biden appointee, two Obama and one Clinton. Trump however got six there.

virtualboyCOLOR
Dec 22, 2004

Other option is to straight up ignore the judge. Something along the lines of "We thank the gentleman from Texas for offering his opinion but we have no use for it at this time."

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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Well this all got weirder

https://twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1644474146716352512?t=HDbjV3GuXIFl3c0QLCu0Rw&s=19

virtualboyCOLOR
Dec 22, 2004

It is a great example of how judiciary review is a made up concept that has no basis in the modern world. The best path forward is to outright reject rulings the ruling party dislikes.

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




Regarding batteries

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/07/climate/electric-cars-biden-climate.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

They’re looking to hit 50% of. Vehicles electric in a decade with the new emissions rules.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011




So how do they resolve this? One on one duel at dawn? Rap battle? Baseball game between judicial staff?

Cimber
Feb 3, 2014

Randalor posted:

So how do they resolve this? One on one duel at dawn? Rap battle? Baseball game between judicial staff?

It likely would be fast tracked to the Supreme court.

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Randalor posted:

So how do they resolve this? One on one duel at dawn? Rap battle? Baseball game between judicial staff?

It goes up the chain of appeals until it hits a court to which both of them are inferior, which issues its own ruling that overrides them. If that court isn’t SCOTUS, it then gets appealed to SCOTUS for a final ruling

Cimber
Feb 3, 2014

haveblue posted:

It goes up the chain of appeals until it hits a court to which both of them are inferior, which issues its own ruling that overrides them. If that court isn’t SCOTUS, it then gets appealed to SCOTUS for a final ruling

Though I'm not sure how that works if two courts are in different appellate districts.Is the only court that both are inferior the SC?

[edit] I also can't disagree with this: https://twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1644473223948500992?cxt=HHwWgIC8webrq9ItAAAA

Cimber fucked around with this message at 00:19 on Apr 8, 2023

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug

Cimber posted:

Though I'm not sure how that works if two courts are in different appellate districts.Is the only court that both are inferior the SC?

If the appeals court for either district says "Nah, our guy's wrong, we agree with the other one" there's no longer any conflict between districts and SCOTUS doesn't yet have to be involved. It can still be appealed further by the parties in either case, but the higher court wouldn't have to take it.

Cimber
Feb 3, 2014

Killer robot posted:

If the appeals court for either district says "Nah, our guy's wrong, we agree with the other one" there's no longer any conflict between districts and SCOTUS doesn't yet have to be involved. It can still be appealed further by the parties in either case, but the higher court wouldn't have to take it.

Ahh, but if the 5th circuit rules for the ban, and the 2nd(?) circuit rules for the stay on withdrawal, then does that automatically get shunted up to the SC?

Also, if the 5th declines to uphold a stay in the Texas until it makes a ruling, but the other court has a stay forcing the drug to remain on the market, does that also get fast tracked upwards?

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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I feel like the feds need to start getting involved with this poo poo

https://twitter.com/KSolomonReports/status/1644457272133709825?s=20

Quorum
Sep 24, 2014

REMIND ME AGAIN HOW THE LITTLE HORSE-SHAPED ONES MOVE?
SCOTUS doesn't even have to take a case if there's a circuit split, they're just more likely to do so in order to clear up the chaos. The only things they 100% have to take are original jurisdiction cases.

FlamingLiberal posted:

I feel like the feds need to start getting involved with this poo poo

https://twitter.com/KSolomonReports/status/1644457272133709825?s=20

uh oh boy, that... might technically not be officially illegal but is definitely extraordinarily shady and people should be outed publicly for making this kind of threat.

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

FlamingLiberal posted:

I feel like the feds need to start getting involved with this poo poo

https://twitter.com/KSolomonReports/status/1644457272133709825?s=20

I can't really think of any legal justification for the federal government to get involved. This poo poo is stupid and petty, but it's not a federal crime.

Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade



Main Paineframe posted:

I can't really think of any legal justification for the federal government to get involved. This poo poo is stupid and petty, but it's not a federal crime.

Can the federal government allocate funding directly to Shelby County to offset anything taken away by the state? It's supposed to go through the state but it can be earmarked with a pretty stern warning of how it's to be spent. May not be a great strategy, but it is a strategy.

lil poopendorfer
Nov 13, 2014

by the sex ghost
This is an interesting court document to read:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.241009/gov.uscourts.dcd.241009.734.0_1.pdf

quote:

The United States has torturously avoided disclosing the full scale of undercover CHSs among the Proud Boys on Jan. 6. Government FBI agent

Case 1:21-cr-00175-TJK Document 734 Filed 04/05/23 Page 2 of 11

witnesses first admitted there was one CHS embedded among the Proud Boys on Jan. 6. Then there were two; then there were three. Then the government stipulated on April 4 that there were 8 FBI CHSs among the Proud Boys.

On Friday, March 31, federal prosecutors pulled defense counsel aside and disclosed there were additional undercover officers belonging to Metro PD among defendants on Jan. 6.

Pezzola has become aware that the largest numbers of undercover CHSs on Jan. 6 belonged to agencies other than FBI.

At least two law enforcement agencies each outnumbered the FBI in terms of running undercover agents, informants, and CHSs on Jan. 6. First, the DC Metro Police had at least 13 undercover plain-clothes agents among the Proud Boys and other patriots on Jan. 6. Next, there appear to have been some 19 CHSs on Jan. 6 belonging to an agency called HIS (Homeland Security Investigations). When added to the 8 FBI CHSs now acknowledged by the prosecutors, this means that there were at least forty (40) undercover informants or agents doing surveillance among defendants on January 6.

So FBI, DC Metro Police, and “Homeland Security Investigations” had over 40 informants & agents within the Proud Boys and other January 6 protestors. What’s the point of these undercover guys if they’re not going to stop it? Were these government agents organizing and planning this protest?

At least five FBI under covers — and defense attorneys claimed 12 — were involved in the Gov Whitmer kidnapping case. At least they managed to stop that one

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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lil poopendorfer posted:

Were these government agents organizing and planning this protest?
That wouldn't shock me, to be honest

There were certain areas of federal law enforcement that were explicitly pro-Trump

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

It’s not very different from their 20-year-old “counterterrorism” strategy of finding a loner freak with a low iq and psyching him up into attempting mass murder so that they can arrest him, last seen with those q morons who tried to kill the governor of Michigan.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
https://twitter.com/govpritzker/status/1644488178173194240?s=46&t=jERcUgYdb3JwTmxzBbEvRw https://twitter.com/massgovernor/status/1644477067667308546?s=46&t=jERcUgYdb3JwTmxzBbEvRw

Stabbey_the_Clown
Sep 21, 2002

Are... are you quite sure you really want to say that?
Taco Defender

lil poopendorfer posted:

This is an interesting court document to read:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.241009/gov.uscourts.dcd.241009.734.0_1.pdf

So FBI, DC Metro Police, and “Homeland Security Investigations” had over 40 informants & agents within the Proud Boys and other January 6 protestors. What’s the point of these undercover guys if they’re not going to stop it? Were these government agents organizing and planning this protest?

At least five FBI under covers — and defense attorneys claimed 12 — were involved in the Gov Whitmer kidnapping case. At least they managed to stop that one

If you have to be undercover, it probably means you're outnumbered. It's absolutely the duty of an undercover informant or agent to pass the information along, sound the alarm bells, request backup. So for me the question isn't "why didn't they stop it", but instead "did the undercover informants pass the information to their agencies?" If not, WHY not? If so, what did the agencies do with that information?

Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

lil poopendorfer posted:

This is an interesting court document to read:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.241009/gov.uscourts.dcd.241009.734.0_1.pdf
among the Proud Boys and other patriots on Jan. 6.
The gently caress is this? What kind of site are you linking to?

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
They're linking a defendant motion from a member of the Proud Boys and claiming it's true.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

Cimber posted:

Ahh, but if the 5th circuit rules for the ban, and the 2nd(?) circuit rules for the stay on withdrawal, then does that automatically get shunted up to the SC?

Also, if the 5th declines to uphold a stay in the Texas until it makes a ruling, but the other court has a stay forcing the drug to remain on the market, does that also get fast tracked upwards?

Washington is 9th Circuit, along with CA, OR, NV, AZ, ID, MT (which makes it represent around 30 million more people than second most popular circuit) --- 2nd is NY + CT + NH, 1st is the rest of New England.
2nd does show up a bunch because, well, NYC is in it.

OddObserver fucked around with this message at 03:40 on Apr 8, 2023

Cimber
Feb 3, 2014

OddObserver posted:

Washington is 9th Circuit, along with CA, OR, NV, AZ, ID, MT (which makes it represent around 30 million more people than second most popular circuit) --- 2nd is NY + CT + NH, 1st is the rest of New England.
2nd does show up a bunch because, well, NYC is in it.

Oh, I was thinking Washington DC, not Washington state. Well, doesn't really alter the fundamentals of my question tho

Kalit
Nov 6, 2006

The great thing about the thousands of slaughtered Palestinian children is that they can't pull away when you fondle them or sniff their hair.

That's a Biden success story.

Oracle posted:

The gently caress is this? What kind of site are you linking to?

Seriously, this rear end in a top hat (lil poopendorfer) deserves to be threadbanned (or forumbanned) for stupid poo poo like this. I tried reporting the post, but it was already reported. But since it’s in such bad faith, I want to emphasize it, which is why I’m posting about posters

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Kalit fucked around with this message at 03:45 on Apr 8, 2023

susan b buffering
Nov 14, 2016

Oracle posted:

The gently caress is this? What kind of site are you linking to?

are we really going to pretend loving court listener is some strange website nobody has ever heard of?

so strange and esoteric the library of congress has a page on it

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Apr 12, 2003

Shooting Blanks posted:

Can the federal government allocate funding directly to Shelby County to offset anything taken away by the state? It's supposed to go through the state but it can be earmarked with a pretty stern warning of how it's to be spent. May not be a great strategy, but it is a strategy.

The state could just take it,or prevent the county from receiving it.

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