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M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

STOMP'N ON INTO THE POWERLINES

Exciting Lemon
I actually read that as "effective range is shorter than the wikipedia entry number" so I reversed the clauses.

Stupid reading comprehension.

Its ok though, now we all know that the HQ-9 is not a good S-300 PMU replacement anyway. Its wish.com S-300.

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Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
Posting classified doxx here should be called Goatse.crets

Rust Martialis
May 8, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 3 days!)

Operation Bannable Archer 83

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

M_Gargantua posted:

I actually read that as "effective range is shorter than the wikipedia entry number" so I reversed the clauses.

Stupid reading comprehension.

Its ok though, now we all know that the HQ-9 is not a good S-300 PMU replacement anyway. Its wish.com S-300.

What's been fun is watching the Pantsir turn out to be the wish.com Pantsir over the past five years or so. I don't even remember when we first started seeing them get plinked by drones, but I laughed the first time.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Godholio posted:

What's been fun is watching the Pantsir turn out to be the wish.com Pantsir over the past five years or so. I don't even remember when we first started seeing them get plinked by drones, but I laughed the first time.

Lookin' like a fool with your Pantsir on the ground. In pieces.

Icon Of Sin
Dec 26, 2008



Godholio posted:

What's been fun is watching the Pantsir turn out to be the wish.com Pantsir over the past five years or so. I don't even remember when we first started seeing them get plinked by drones, but I laughed the first time.

It had one job.

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
https://twitter.com/WhereisRussia/status/1643534007018168322?s=20

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

golden bubble posted:

Only if it's in the training dataset. All these large language models (LLM) basically produce fuzzy remixes of their training datasets, which are giant internet scrapings. Their creators know that there are bomb recipes and racism in their scrapings, so they try to limit it. But the LLM cannot produce information outside of it's training data, except by completely making poo poo up. So the only danger comes from getting confidential info in the training data, and I hope no one is going to put classified information in a place where giant internet scrapings will catch it. Because the AI researchers aren't looking for any specific information, they want more text, more documents, more words to feed into their increasingly massive model, and they don't care where the text comes from.

The ouroboros of chat bots creating content to be consumed by other chat bots endlessly forever.

Spoggerific
May 28, 2009

Godholio posted:

What's been fun is watching the Pantsir turn out to be the wish.com Pantsir over the past five years or so. I don't even remember when we first started seeing them get plinked by drones, but I laughed the first time.

I remember reading somewhere that the majority of the bayraktar footage was taken from the first few days of the conflict, when Russian forces were ordered to initially assume anything in the air was friendly. Apparently this was to help prevent friendly fire, but it also let Ukrainian drones operate with near impunity for a brief moment, after which they lost a lot of their effectiveness. The article where I read this said that the Ukrainians stockpiled and slowly released the footage gathered during that period for propaganda purposes.

I can't find the article, but I don't suppose anyone knows one that mentions what I'm talking about?

Anyway, the point I'm trying to make here is that maybe the pantsir isn't as pants on head stupid as being destroyed by a bayraktar makes it seem if they were hampered by standing orders. I'd love to be proven wrong, though, because Russia's newest and greatest air defense system actually being trash would be very on brand.

Geisladisk
Sep 15, 2007

Spoggerific posted:

I remember reading somewhere that the majority of the bayraktar footage was taken from the first few days of the conflict, when Russian forces were ordered to initially assume anything in the air was friendly. Apparently this was to help prevent friendly fire, but it also let Ukrainian drones operate with near impunity for a brief moment, after which they lost a lot of their effectiveness. The article where I read this said that the Ukrainians stockpiled and slowly released the footage gathered during that period for propaganda purposes.

I can't find the article, but I don't suppose anyone knows one that mentions what I'm talking about?

Anyway, the point I'm trying to make here is that maybe the pantsir isn't as pants on head stupid as being destroyed by a bayraktar makes it seem if they were hampered by standing orders. I'd love to be proven wrong, though, because Russia's newest and greatest air defense system actually being trash would be very on brand.

Also during those first few days the Russian EW was going full bore which, whoops, shuts down Russian SAM radars too.

So there was essentially no AA on either side for the first few days, which let the RUAF be way more active than at any other time, but also let Bayraktars go hog wild.

Funny as it was seeing AA systems get clowned on by drones, it probably isn't indicative of these systems being bad. though they're probably still bad

Sashimi
Dec 26, 2008


College Slice

Spoggerific posted:

Russia's newest and greatest air defense system actually being trash would be very on brand.
On that note, has Russia produced any successful weapons systems in the last 30 years that aren't just updated versions of Soviet era designs?

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012


Blyatman

Computer viking
May 30, 2011
Now with less breakage.

Coquito Ergo Sum posted:

NDAs in the MIC are fun. If I said that the wikipedia entry for a particular air defense platform's effective range is a little shorter than the actual number, I'd be in trouble.

I'd be surprised if that wasn't the case for anything fancy in current use, tbh.

bees everywhere
Nov 19, 2002

Computer viking posted:

I'd be surprised if that wasn't the case for anything fancy in current use, tbh.

Yeah tbh people should avoid even alluding to having knowledge of that stuff, it's just putting a target on yourself and there's nothing to gain from it.

Itchy_Grundle
Feb 22, 2003

McGavin posted:

Blyatman

:discourse:

Gervasius
Nov 2, 2010



Grimey Drawer

Sashimi posted:

On that note, has Russia produced any successful weapons systems in the last 30 years that aren't just updated versions of Soviet era designs?

Apparently, R-37M is really dangerous to UAF jets and Kalibr cruise missiles seem to work well.

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

McGavin posted:

Blyatman

да да да да да да да да да да да да, блятьмен!

Dein Specht
Apr 5, 2023

https://twitter.com/eau_de_nafo/status/1644750123187019777

knox_harrington
Feb 18, 2011

Running no point.

McGavin posted:

Ukraine Thread: Blyatman

Sashimi
Dec 26, 2008


College Slice
This guy totally did the dicknose or chin diaper things with masks during Covid.

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously


Missed opportunity to go for the deep cut and have him dress as Red Son Batman with an ushanka.

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010


For those unfamiliar, this has written instructions to augment THE loving PICTURE INSTRUCTIONS that are stuck to the side so that illiteracy doesn't hinder your making things deader.

Stravag
Jun 7, 2009

This joke was in in the army now in loving 1992 lol

https://youtu.be/P1-IMwxU4gQ
1 minute 20 in

Stravag fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Apr 8, 2023

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

Stravag posted:

This joke was in in the army now in loving 1992 lol

https://youtu.be/P1-IMwxU4gQ
1 minute 20 in

In The Army Now is accidentally one of the more accurate military movies in absurd ways, and it is a loving classic.

I tried to talk my wife into giving my daughter my daily driver and replacing it with a Chenowith- one of the Dune Buggys from the movie.

Wrong Theory
Aug 27, 2005

Satellite from days of old, lead me to your access code

Stravag posted:

This joke was in in the army now in loving 1992 lol

https://youtu.be/P1-IMwxU4gQ
1 minute 20 in

Should've tried wheezing the ju-ice first.

Coquito Ergo Sum
Feb 9, 2021

M_Gargantua posted:

Is it the HQ-9?

Its the HQ-9 isn't it.

I don't even work with that kind of thing. I work mainly with military stuff like communications/C-IED and for a short while, I handled ceramics/alloys for vehicle armor. The hypothetical in question came out of a one-off conversation with a colleague and then again an interview on a channel called Animarchy, which I actually recommend watching/listening to because the guest is a Patriot specialist:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SReqD5QYNMg

The conversation with the colleague came up because you'd be fine bringing up the hypothetical like I did, but would get told "hey don't, please" (not fired or legal action) if you simply said public numbers were wrong. Firing and legal action could happen if you said a number. Just wanted to reassure everyone and that what I said is safe, but should have read the room and it was a bad idea to bring it up and that I'm dropping it now. Sorry.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010
“number is wrong” coming from someone who knows what the right number is was definitely explained to me as not kosher.

In aggregate unclassified stuff is classified. “IRL number bigger” or “Smaller” reveals a lot.

not caring here
Feb 22, 2012

blazemastah 2 dry 4 u

bulletsponge13 posted:

In The Army Now is accidentally one of the more accurate military movies in absurd ways, and it is a loving classic.

I tried to talk my wife into giving my daughter my daily driver and replacing it with a Chenowith- one of the Dune Buggys from the movie.

I recently bumbled upon a movie called Tigerland and holy poo poo if that didn't cover the experience of running into total moto-boners at Basic and how they act I don't know what is.

Jimmy Smuts
Aug 8, 2000

It seems the more comedic a military movie is, the more accurate it is.
edit: The US military is pretty much a clownshow, but with weapons

Jimmy Smuts fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Apr 8, 2023

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

All this is missing is a fade to grayscale and it's a goddamned useless gadget infomercial.

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:
It seems he did apply it directly to forehead.

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


McGavin posted:

Blyatman

:eyepop:

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

I'm not an army man, but I assume that the bit in front is a handle to help prevent this sort of thing?

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

Stultus Maximus posted:

I'm not an army man, but I assume that the bit in front is a handle to help prevent this sort of thing?

there's also another one that's supposed to fold down at the back and jam into your shoulder to keep the tube from flying backwards and doing... that.

ASAPI
Apr 20, 2007
I invented the line.

bulletsponge13 posted:

For those unfamiliar, this has written instructions to augment THE loving PICTURE INSTRUCTIONS that are stuck to the side so that illiteracy doesn't hinder your making things deader.

This needs to be quoted.

I would rank the AT-4 as one of the top "idiot proofed" systems the Army has. We laugh at how claymores are labeled, the AT-4 makes that look like rocket science.

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006
I was wondering about the descriptions of the AT4 instructions so I did a GIS, and holy cow they're way different compared to when I was in. Do they come with a 4 color crayon pack now?

Nuclear Tourist
Apr 7, 2005

I guess that's it then, the Swedish defense industry might as well pack it in and give up. drat fools can't even design an AT launcher that doesn't try to kill its operator, which is also a problem I've often had with their flat pack furniture.

Dandywalken
Feb 11, 2014

Know whats really weird? Hes firing a gold/yellow band. Isnt that a training round?

McNally
Sep 13, 2007

Ask me about Proposition 305


Do you like muskets?

Dandywalken posted:

Whats really weird? Hes firing a gold/yellow band. Isnt that a training round?

Nope, yellow means high explosive. Training is blue and I don't think they make training AT-4 tubes, just repurpose spent ones.

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Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
Same dude fired an NLAW at a BMP and managed to miss. For some reason Russia gave him a second one so he managed to fire it correctly and when he saw what top down does to armor he went "well poo poo"

honestly Russia having so many NLAWs that they can give some thumbsucking youtuber more than one says more to their prowess than any of their own actual gear

Nuclear Tourist posted:

I guess that's it then, the Swedish defense industry might as well pack it in and give up. drat fools can't even design an AT launcher that doesn't try to kill its operator, which is also a problem I've often had with their flat pack furniture.

good meatballs though

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