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So who's paying for those fabrication materials, storage space, and electricity? It's the court, right? Which is about to become a non-thing? See, if this had happened before the discussion on her considering leaving to the Court, I would've found that conversation much more realistic. You've put all this time and energy into connecting yourself to a supercomputer and turning yourself into a technoentity. If the court leaving meant all of her research and poo poo would suddenly come to an end because of zero funding/materials/space, "ok but what if I did go with the court" would make much more sense, because now we've seen what she'd actually be losing.
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Tiny Myers posted:So who's paying for those fabrication materials, storage space, and electricity? It's the court, right? Which is about to become a non-thing? These are all just editing whoopsies, aren't they.
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Apr 7, 2023 21:39
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Tiny Myers posted:So who's paying for those fabrication materials, storage space, and electricity? It's the court, right? Which is about to become a non-thing? When the Court leaves, wouldn't the buildings remain? Depending on how much power Kat needs, and the facilities she has access to right now, she may be able to make up solar panels or wind turbines for her power needs, and as far as getting materials, she is literally worshipped as a goddess by the robots, so I'm sure they would be willing to help gather resources for her. Or she never thought of that, and the Court is going to pull the rug out from under her.
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Apr 7, 2023 23:50
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Randalor posted:When the Court leaves, wouldn't the buildings remain? Depending on how much power Kat needs, and the facilities she has access to right now, she may be able to make up solar panels or wind turbines for her power needs, and as far as getting materials, she is literally worshipped as a goddess by the robots, so I'm sure they would be willing to help gather resources for her. I doubt Tom put even one single thought into the logistics of it so Kat's probably fine.
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Apr 8, 2023 00:11
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I don't like it when transhumanism is portrayed as bad or corrupting. Especially when Annie, the protagonist, has been more than human since day 1.
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Apr 8, 2023 07:13
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Honestly this is disappointing because... When we saw glimpses of the machine god it was terrifying, otherworldly, this mash-up of insectoid hivemind queen and impenetrable metal that the robots both cowed and worshipped with the power of life or death over them, and something that reduced Zimmy to primal terror. It was a contrast to Kat as she is now and so very alien and powerful. Now if we get the machine god Kat, all I'm going to see in my head is this chuuni black-eyed generic monologue.
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JuniperCake posted:I doubt Tom [...] one single thought
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coolusername posted:Honestly this is disappointing because... When we saw glimpses of the machine god it was terrifying, otherworldly, this mash-up of insectoid hivemind queen and impenetrable metal that the robots both cowed and worshipped with the power of life or death over them, and something that reduced Zimmy to primal terror. It was a contrast to Kat as she is now and so very alien and powerful. The implication is that this is an irrevocable step along Kat's path to apotheosis, the end point of which is Giger Machine Goddess.
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Wait a sec, way back when Zimmy first saw Kat's etheric form in Divine, that wasn't a vision of the future or anything, so what was it? What's truly been in her all along? Or some Norn-related fuckery?
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artichoke posted:Wait a sec, way back when Zimmy first saw Kat's etheric form in Divine, that wasn't a vision of the future or anything, so what was it? What's truly been in her all along? Or some Norn-related fuckery? Jones's origin story, and her explanation of how Coyote put the stars in the sky, state that etheric beings exist before they are created by the deaths of humans whose belief creates them. Time travel, basically, but not the Norn kind.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:The implication is that this is an irrevocable step along Kat's path to apotheosis, the end point of which is Giger Machine Goddess. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if the next page consists of her just wrapping all the floating tech around herself, and *boom* Machine Goddess. I wonder if this will lead up to Annie eventually using Coyote's tooth to kill Kat instead of Loup.
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Apr 8, 2023 13:10
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Tiny Myers posted:So who's paying for those fabrication materials, storage space, and electricity? It's the court, right? Which is about to become a non-thing? She said earlier it exists within dimensionally compressed space. I expect it's probably internally powered by this point too, given everything else she's built in there power plants seem like an obvious thing. The main question is material, although it's likely the court has been supplying so far; when they go it'll be far more limited until more can be obtained. It seems like the scale of it is an outgrowth of court/kat technology basically being past the Von Neumann threshold, so the whole thing was able to self-expand out over time. Depending how compressed it is I wouldn't be surprised if it was physically inside the chip. Seems like the kind of thing she might do. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 13:21 on Apr 8, 2023 |
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Apr 8, 2023 13:18
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DontMockMySmock posted:Jones's origin story, and her explanation of how Coyote put the stars in the sky, state that etheric beings exist before they are created by the deaths of humans whose belief creates them. Time travel, basically, but not the Norn kind. Not even time travel per se, but seemingly existing outside the flow of time in a sense. Once they exist, they always existed
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Tiny Myers posted:So who's paying for those fabrication materials, storage space, and electricity? It's the court, right? Which is about to become a non-thing? You could possibly infer that the Court is basically a living organism that can provide for the people who reside there, develop and maintain its own power supplies, and grow new buildings for storage, etc. Materials? That's a bit harder to address. A living court could possibly generate that, too, with creating factories and assemblies to craft stuff. However, that leads to a lot of follow up questions about who staffs a place like that, or if the Court doesn't provide those things then how are they shipped from the outside? It gets down to granular things that I don't think were ever contemplated and didn't matter up to this point, but little instances like this where suddenly Kat apparently has instant access to all this stuff makes you wonder in passing where it came from before.
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christmas boots posted:Not even time travel per se, but seemingly existing outside the flow of time in a sense. Once they exist, they always existed Imagine a timeline, retconning itself, forever Nuns with Guns posted:You could possibly infer that the Court is basically a living organism that can provide for the people who reside there, develop and maintain its own power supplies, and grow new buildings for storage, etc.
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Nuns with Guns posted:You could possibly infer that the Court is basically a living organism that can provide for the people who reside there, develop and maintain its own power supplies, and grow new buildings for storage, etc. It was "grown from a seed bismuth", after all. Bismuth crystals are very easily grown and have a very pretty, nested rectangular structure that looks a bit like a colorful futuristic cityscape. (The "bismuth" that created the Court likely being named metaphorically rather than being the literal element, of course.) Kat's work as an extension of that would be an interesting angle to take, but again, as you note, we're probably just going to have to infer it offscreen.
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Apr 9, 2023 17:03
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Paz, next page: "Okay cool, but can you use that scanner to find yourself a new girlfriend?"
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GunnerJ posted:Kat activates the chip and says, "There! Now we'll be able to track what Loup is doing at any given time. No matter what we're up to, or where we are, we'll be able to check in on Loup!" Oh hell yeah, called it
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GunnerJ posted:Oh hell yeah, called it "He...he appears to be at Uncle Tony's House of Spaghetti...having a candlelight dinner?"
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Good to see that Tony still enjoys being in the kitchen after the daughter he loved cooking with was killed
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The biggest plot point in the Uncle Tony's House of Spaghetti chapter would be Annie learning she has a cousin we don't meet and is never mentioned again.
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Paz going through all the face emojis.
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Annointed posted:Paz going through all the face emojis. Yeah like, we're back to me being confused as to why she's smiling warmly? Is she in "gently caress it, I'm leaving, who cares" mode now?? Just a few pages ago Paz was tearing up while talking about how she can't take seeing Kat putting herself in unhealthy situations over her obsession with work, and now that she's seeing Kat doing exactly that she's...smiling warmly?
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CodfishCartographer posted:Yeah like, we're back to me being confused as to why she's smiling warmly? Is she in "gently caress it, I'm leaving, who cares" mode now?? Just a few pages ago Paz was tearing up while talking about how she can't take seeing Kat putting herself in unhealthy situations over her obsession with work, and now that she's seeing Kat doing exactly that she's...smiling warmly?
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CodfishCartographer posted:Yeah like, we're back to me being confused as to why she's smiling warmly? Is she in "gently caress it, I'm leaving, who cares" mode now?? Just a few pages ago Paz was tearing up while talking about how she can't take seeing Kat putting herself in unhealthy situations over her obsession with work, and now that she's seeing Kat doing exactly that she's...smiling warmly? I think this is the sort of calm smile you get right before hell breaks loose. Some people transition from angry to eerily calm rather than visibly furious.
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It just read to me like a forced smile. Like she's nodding and pretending to be happy but on the inside she knows she needs to break up with her.
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Last panel is extremely clearly 'Annie notices with concern how much Paz is hiding her emotions and faking a smile to Kat'.
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Her eyes/eyebrows don't say "fake smile" though. I don't think that was Tom's intention, or if it was, it's not communicated well. I think she's just happy that Kat is apparently safe and back in her body.
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DontMockMySmock posted:I don't think that was Tom's intention, or if it was, it's not communicated well. Ah, too long for a new thread title.
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CodfishCartographer posted:Yeah like, we're back to me being confused as to why she's smiling warmly? Is she in "gently caress it, I'm leaving, who cares" mode now?? Just a few pages ago Paz was tearing up while talking about how she can't take seeing Kat putting herself in unhealthy situations over her obsession with work, and now that she's seeing Kat doing exactly that she's...smiling warmly? DontMockMySmock posted:Her eyes/eyebrows don't say "fake smile" though. I don't think that was Tom's intention, or if it was, it's not communicated well. It's a fake smile based on the context of the conversation her and Annie JUST HAD. The only way it could be more clear is if there was a box that said "Paz is faking a smile here" There's legit issues people bring up with the current state of the comic but then theres stuff like this where it feels like I'm being pranked
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Yeah, Paz is full on doing the "This is fine" meme right now.
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Either that, or the mood whiplash has gotten so bad that even characters inside the comic are going "Wait, what the gently caress?"
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Agaragon posted:Yeah, Paz is full on doing the "This is fine" meme right now. Yeah I'm pretty sure it's this. I don't think she's gonna contradict what she just finished saying to Annie and do a 180 on this whole thing. So she's putting on a brave face. Or maybe she feels relief because she's finally making a decision about something that tormented her for a bit, whatever. It doesn't really matter. Almost every character wears their heart on their sleeve now, so there's no reason not to take what they say at face value.
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There Bias Two posted:Paz, next page: "Okay cool, but can you use that scanner to find yourself a new girlfriend?" ... I don't get it Paz this girlfriend scanner keeps coming up "no data". ... Paz?"
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Next page is paz still smiling and “Kat, I’m breaking up with you”, end chapter timeskip six months
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its obviously a strained smile. compare the weird smile from earlier:  here, while the smile is roughly the same shape, her eyes are still clearly emotionally open and available to kat and the viewer comparatively, the smile from today is closed off; not only is she emotionally unavailable, she is outright disengaged from any other person in the room (and the viewer)
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:Next page is paz still smiling and “Kat, I’m breaking up with you”, end chapter
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Kat: "Oh wow, I can't believe how neatly that whole Omega thing turned out! I'm kind of sad that Annie's dead even though it was entirely her fault. What about you Loup?" Jerrek: "Can't talk Shell lightly scuffed her knee." Kat: "Oh no!" Gamma: "Oh no!" Zimmy, cured now: "Oh no!" Lana: *still image of a monument depicting Loup commiting elf genocide while crying over her corpse*
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Wow Annie, way to put Paz on the spot. Also why is the plot happening off-screen again? Isn't Kat's reaction to this the perfect time to showcase some character development? Imagine if Paz's final line in the comic is "well..." There Bias Two fucked around with this message at 12:44 on Apr 12, 2023 |
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Lmao yeah ok, we're doing this now then? And we get an End-chapter mark hahaha.There Bias Two posted:
Oh god. I hope that's not the case. Ursine Catastrophe posted:Next page is paz still smiling and “Kat, I’m breaking up with you”, end chapter
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