The US will lose WW3

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genericnick: Dec 26, 2012

Frosted Flake posted:

If you plot that against the ammunition expenditure, what the hell are the Ukrainian guns doing all day?

Russia

Ukraine

It claims Ukraine has more tubes 2:1 in theatre.

Do we have any confidence in ammunition expenditure? Also I haven’t seen any number for that in months.

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Danann: Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1644900021438148608

# ? Apr 9, 2023 07:38

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

are they trying to catch up to how fat we are that's an insane amount of food

# ? Apr 9, 2023 08:32

Slavvy: Dec 11, 2012

indigi posted:

are they trying to catch up to how fat we are that's an insane amount of food

It may seem strange and foreign, but when you do a large amount of exercise and physical labour, you need to have a large number of calories.

# ? Apr 9, 2023 09:27

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

I forgot PLA officers do NFL training camp every day

# ? Apr 9, 2023 15:40

Remulak: Jun 8, 2001; I can't count to four.; Yams Fan

Clearly fake, the dude had the shrimp on his tray before he hit the buffet line, everybody knows the shrimp is at the END the buffet.

Those �leaked� intel printouts, who the hell were they written for, and for that matter written by? They have more over-the-top unnecessary infographics, bold text, and listicles than 90�s USA Today for Teens. If I was important enough to make a difference due to having information like this I�d be insulted by being given loving buzzfeed printouts. There is good information there but you need to fight the graphic design to find it.

# ? Apr 9, 2023 16:09

Hubbert: Mar 25, 2007; At a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

indigi posted:

are they trying to catch up to how fat we are that's an insane amount of food

China will grow larger.

# ? Apr 9, 2023 16:10

Centrist Committee: Aug 6, 2019

indigi posted:

are they trying to catch up to how fat we are that's an insane amount of food

its shared by lots of people

# ? Apr 9, 2023 16:36

sullat: Jan 9, 2012

Remulak posted:

Clearly fake, the dude had the shrimp on his tray before he hit the buffet line, everybody knows the shrimp is at the END the buffet.

Those �leaked� intel printouts, who the hell were they written for, and for that matter written by? They have more over-the-top unnecessary infographics, bold text, and listicles than 90�s USA Today for Teens. If I was important enough to make a difference due to having information like this I�d be insulted by being given loving buzzfeed printouts. There is good information there but you need to fight the graphic design to find it.

Politicians probably

# ? Apr 9, 2023 17:38

JAY ZERO SUM GAME: Oct 18, 2005; Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.

https://www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-macron-china-america-pressure-interview/amp/

quote:

ABOARD COTAM UNIT� (FRANCE�S AIR FORCE ONE) � Europe must reduce its dependency on the United States and avoid getting dragged into a confrontation between China and the U.S. over Taiwan, French President Emmanuel Macron said in an interview on his plane back from a three-day state visit to China.

Speaking with POLITICO and two French journalists after spending around six hours with Chinese President Xi Jinping during his trip, Macron emphasized his pet theory of �strategic autonomy� for Europe, presumably led by France, to become a �third superpower.�

He said �the great risk� Europe faces is that it �gets caught up in crises that are not ours, which prevents it from building its strategic autonomy,� while flying from Beijing to Guangzhou, in southern China, aboard COTAM Unit�, France�s Air Force One.

Xi Jinping and the Chinese Communist Party have enthusiastically endorsed Macron�s concept of strategic autonomy and Chinese officials constantly refer to it in their dealings with European countries. Party leaders and theorists in Beijing are convinced the West is in decline and China is on the ascendant and that weakening the transatlantic relationship will help accelerate this trend.

�The paradox would be that, overcome with panic, we believe we are just America�s followers,� Macron said in the interview. �The question Europeans need to answer � is it in our interest to accelerate [a crisis] on Taiwan? No. The worse thing would be to think that we Europeans must become followers on this topic and take our cue from the U.S. agenda and a Chinese overreaction,� he said.

Just hours after his flight left Guangzhou headed back to Paris, China launched large military exercises around the self-ruled island of Taiwan, which China claims as its territory but the U.S. has promised to arm and defend.

Those exercises were a response to Taiwanese President Tsai Ing-Wen�s 10-day diplomatic tour of Central American countries that included a meeting with Republican U.S. House Speaker Kevin McCarthy while she transited in California. People familiar with Macron�s thinking said he was happy Beijing had at least waited until he was out of Chinese airspace before launching the simulated �Taiwan encirclement� exercise.

Beijing has repeatedly threatened to invade in recent years and has a policy of isolating the democratic island by forcing other countries to recognize it as part of �one China.�

Taiwan talks

Macron and Xi discussed Taiwan �intensely,� according to French officials accompanying the president, who appears to have taken a more conciliatory approach than the U.S. or even the European Union.

�Stability in the Taiwan Strait is of paramount importance,� European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, who accompanied Macron for part of his visit, said she told Xi during their meeting in Beijing last Thursday. �The threat [of] the use of force to change the status quo is unacceptable.�

Chinese President Xi Jinping and French President Emmanuel Macron in Guangdong on April 7, 2023 | Pool Photo by Jacques Witt / AFP via Getty Images
Xi responded by saying anyone who thought they could influence Beijing on Taiwan was deluded.

Macron appears to agree with that assessment.

�Europeans cannot resolve the crisis in Ukraine; how can we credibly say on Taiwan, �watch out, if you do something wrong we will be there�? If you really want to increase tensions that�s the way to do it,� he said.

�Europe is more willing to accept a world in which China becomes a regional hegemon,� said Yanmei Xie, a geopolitics analyst at Gavekal Dragonomics. �Some of its leaders even believe such a world order may be more advantageous to Europe.�

In his trilateral meeting with Macron and von der Leyen last Thursday in Beijing, Xi Jinping went off script on only two topics � Ukraine and Taiwan � according to someone who was present in the room.

�Xi was visibly annoyed for being held responsible for the Ukraine conflict and he downplayed his recent visit to Moscow,� this person said. �He was clearly enraged by the U.S. and very upset over Taiwan, by the Taiwanese president�s transit through the U.S. and [the fact that] foreign policy issues were being raised by Europeans.�

In this meeting, Macron and von der Leyen took similar lines on Taiwan, this person said. But Macron subsequently spent more than four hours with the Chinese leader, much of it with only translators present, and his tone was far more conciliatory than von der Leyen�s when speaking with journalists.

�Vassals� warning

Macron also argued that Europe had increased its dependency on the U.S. for weapons and energy and must now focus on boosting European defense industries.

He also suggested Europe should reduce its dependence on the �extraterritoriality of the U.S. dollar,� a key policy objective of both Moscow and Beijing.

�If the tensions between the two superpowers heat up � we won�t have the time nor the resources to finance our strategic autonomy and we will become vassals,� he said.

Russia, China, Iran and other countries have been hit by U.S. sanctions in recent years that are based on denying access to the dominant dollar-denominated global financial system. Some in Europe have complained about �weaponization� of the dollar by Washington, which forces European companies to give up business and cut ties with third countries or face crippling secondary sanctions.

While sitting in the stateroom of his A330 aircraft in a hoodie with the words �French Tech� emblazoned on the chest, Macron claimed to have already �won the ideological battle on strategic autonomy� for Europe.

He did not address the question of ongoing U.S. security guarantees for the Continent, which relies heavily on American defense assistance amid the first major land war in Europe since World War II.

As one of the five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council and the only nuclear power in the EU, France is in a unique position militarily. However, the country has contributed far less to the defense of Ukraine against Russia�s invasion than many other countries.

As is common in France and many other European countries, the French President�s office, known as the Elys�e Palace, insisted on checking and �proofreading� all the president�s quotes to be published in this article as a condition of granting the interview. This violates POLITICO�s editorial standards and policy, but we agreed to the terms in order to speak directly with the French president. POLITICO insisted that it cannot deceive its readers and would not publish anything the president did not say. The quotes in this article were all actually said by the president, but some parts of the interview in which the president spoke even more frankly about Taiwan and Europe�s strategic autonomy were cut out by the Elys�e.

# ? Apr 9, 2023 19:10

Cerebral Bore: Apr 21, 2010; Fun Shoe

not even jupiter can resist the heavenly wisdom of xi jinping thought

# ? Apr 9, 2023 19:12

atelier morgan: Mar 11, 2003; super-scientific, ultra-gay; Lipstick Apathy

Cerebral Bore posted:

not even jupiter can resist the heavenly wisdom of xi jinping thought

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GlassEye-Boy: Jul 12, 2001

Macrons getting couped.

# ? Apr 9, 2023 20:07

atelier morgan: Mar 11, 2003; super-scientific, ultra-gay; Lipstick Apathy

GlassEye-Boy posted:

Macrons getting couped.

100%

so many gladio guys in france must have gotten the go ahead today, there's already mass social unrest its the perfect time

# ? Apr 9, 2023 20:10

galagazombie: Oct 31, 2011; A silly little mouse!

Wasn�t one of the main selling points of the EU was that it would make Europe independent of America? That uh, didn�t happen.

# ? Apr 9, 2023 20:12

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

atelier morgan posted:

100%

so many gladio guys in france must have gotten the go ahead today, there's already mass social unrest its the perfect time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkZcjkF3Evw

# ? Apr 9, 2023 20:18

E Depois do Adeus: Jun 3, 2012; Nobody has better respect for intelligence than Donald Trump.

In response to a shift from total to partial control of EU foreign policy, the US blew up a critical piece of Euro infrastructure and the Euros thanked them for the privilege. Some would say this is a bold statement from Macron considering his domestic situation. But go off mon petit, on disait "t'es un dur"

# ? Apr 9, 2023 21:58

Cao Ni Ma: May 25, 2010

Cerebral Bore posted:

not even jupiter can resist the heavenly wisdom of xi jinping thought

Its literally Xi thought. China WANTS Europe to be a third power to counter balance against the US. It is both in Europes and Chinas best interest, but some people are really scared of the CIA.

You'd think saudi arabia telling the US to go gently caress itself should embolden europe but no

# ? Apr 9, 2023 22:02

KomradeX: Oct 29, 2011

Cao Ni Ma posted:

Its literally Xi thought. China WANTS Europe to be a third power to counter balance against the US. It is both in Europes and Chinas best interest, but some people are really scared of the CIA.

You'd think saudi arabia telling the US to go gently caress itself should embolden europe but no

Its really funny that Europe is less of a vassal state compared to Europe. I guess thats what happens when younhave the strategic resources the US needs versus being the training ground for a bunch of Nazis

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BrotherJayne: Nov 28, 2019

KomradeX posted:

Its really funny that Europe is less of a vassal state compared to Europe

Xi thought has infiltrated the thread

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genericnick: Dec 26, 2012

Cao Ni Ma posted:

Its literally Xi thought. China WANTS Europe to be a third power to counter balance against the US. It is both in Europes and Chinas best interest, but some people are really scared of the CIA.

You'd think saudi arabia telling the US to go gently caress itself should embolden europe but no

Macron just said it in public media. Maybe it did?

# ? Apr 9, 2023 23:58

Ansar Santa: Jul 12, 2012

I'm proud of the Chinese. They aren't perfect - who is? - but they're really stepping up. They're the adults in the room. Not the superpower we deserve, but the one we need

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Delta-Wye: Sep 29, 2005

anakin: im just doing some military drills

padame: and then you're going home?

anakin:

padame: and then you're going home, right??

# ? Apr 10, 2023 00:58

sullat: Jan 9, 2012

E Depois do Adeus posted:

In response to a shift from total to partial control of EU foreign policy, the US blew up a critical piece of Euro infrastructure and the Euros thanked them for the privilege. Some would say this is a bold statement from Macron considering his domestic situation. But go off mon petit, on disait "t'es un dur"

Yeah wouldn't be surprised if the undersea wine pipeline suffered a mysterious failure, even though France doesn't have the infrastructure to support liquified natural wine imports from California to meet domestic demand.

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Real hurthling!: Sep 11, 2001

europe sucks

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E Depois do Adeus: Jun 3, 2012; Nobody has better respect for intelligence than Donald Trump.

Real hurthling! posted:

europe sucks

# ? Apr 10, 2023 02:13

Real hurthling!: Sep 11, 2001

we will defeat china with our most powerful weapon: stealing everything from 3 other continents

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ughhhh: Oct 17, 2012

Since it seems Russia is using more and more air dropped bombs, why do Russian bombs look weird and non aerodynamic? It's got those flat noses unlike the US bombs that have sharp pointed noses.

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Danann: Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/Tasnim_military/status/1644952254695239680

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# ? Apr 10, 2023 05:48

Remulak: Jun 8, 2001; I can't count to four.; Yams Fan

Dammit Macron we bail your asses out in Viet Nam and this is the thanks we get?

# ? Apr 10, 2023 09:17

Kassad: Nov 12, 2005; It's about time.

why don't you rename french fries about it again

# ? Apr 10, 2023 10:17

Cerebral Bore: Apr 21, 2010; Fun Shoe

Delta-Wye posted:

anakin: im just doing some military drills

padame: and then you're going home?

anakin:

padame: and then you're going home, right??

taiwan is home for the pla, hth

ughhhh posted:

Since it seems Russia is using more and more air dropped bombs, why do Russian bombs look weird and non aerodynamic? It's got those flat noses unlike the US bombs that have sharp pointed noses.

bombs are stabilized by the fins, so the shape of the nose has very little effect on the aerodynamics. in fact, if you have a frontal fuze a flat nose is better because it makes it more likely that the bomb goes off

also if a bomb has a very sharp nose it's probably intended for surface penetration, so again nothing to do with the actual aerodynamics

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OhFunny: Jun 26, 2013; EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC

French dreams of a French-led independent Europe go back to de Gaul.

It will never be.

# ? Apr 10, 2023 12:28

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

OhFunny posted:

French dreams of a French-led independent Europe go back to de Gaul.

It will never be.

I think a dude named Napoleon also wanted a French-led independent Europe

# ? Apr 10, 2023 13:04

Dawncloack: Nov 26, 2007; ECKS DEE!; Nap Ghost

There was some discussion of nuclear weapons in another thread and the phrase "Only 2 have been used in anger" came up.

I've seen it before, even in some space operas (Some Peter F. Hamilton one) mentions only 5 used in anger.

Why that expression? AFAICT their use was something deliberate and reflected upon.

Edit:
Can you believe the internet held the answer to my question?? Truly a marvel of our time.

Dawncloack has issued a correction as of 13:38 on Apr 10, 2023

# ? Apr 10, 2023 13:13

Cerebral Bore: Apr 21, 2010; Fun Shoe

"used in anger" is a p old saying, it means that a piece of military equipment has been used for real rather than just in testing

# ? Apr 10, 2023 13:39

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

OhFunny posted:

French dreams of a French-led independent Europe go back to de Gaul.

It will never be.

US didn't free Europe just to let it be enslaved by someone else.

# ? Apr 10, 2023 15:03

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

ughhhh posted:

Since it seems Russia is using more and more air dropped bombs, why do Russian bombs look weird and non aerodynamic? It's got those flat noses unlike the US bombs that have sharp pointed noses.

Modern US bombs of the Mark 80 series have big aerodynamic improvements over WW2 era bombs - though those were still used over Vietnam, and B-52s (still?) carry 1950's M117s. The Soviets likewise improved their bomb designs in the mid 60's, so there are more streamlined versions of the FABs from the same time the US improved their bomb design.

I am not an aerial ordnance guy, but I wonder if the high drag ones with the very flat faces are designed so deliberately as a retarding device. The Soviets planned to, and the Russians still do, deliver bombs at high speeds and low altitudes because of the expected air defence environment in a major war. As bombs initially maintain the velocity of the aircraft, at low altitudes large bombs can damage or destroy the aircraft as it overflies the target. Slowing the bomb allows the aircraft to get clear, and can be programmed into the CCIP so the bombs still impact the correct target. The US has snake eye kits and air inflators for this purpose, which are tail units on the back of the bomb that slow it down as it leaves the aircraft. It seems possible to me that the Soviets used a nose design with a flat face for the same purpose, to slow the bomb and allow the aircraft to get out of the danger area of the explosion.

Aviation heads weigh in.

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Delta-Wye: Sep 29, 2005

air craft carriers dry humping off of taiwan
https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1645422089355264001

the future is neat

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lobster shirt: Jun 14, 2021

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2023/04/10/the-genesis-of-todays-recruiting-crisis/

quote:

The annals of U.S. military valor feature scores of heroes who concealed part of their medical history to serve their country.

Consider President John F. Kennedy. As a young man, he suffered a host of painful, disqualifying physical ailments, such as back pain and ulcers, but leaned on his father�s connections to get around the required Navy medical exams.

Lt. Kennedy went on to command a patrol torpedo boat that a Japanese warship sheared in half during World War II, and he later received a Purple Heart and Navy and Marine Corps Medal.

In recent decades, the lies told to enlist haven�t approached those extremes.

Nonetheless, fudging medical histories has been a key step on many troops� path from applicant to recruit, according to a group of active-duty military recruiters who spoke with Military Times for this story.

�What it takes to get in the Army is, quite frankly, a lot of fraud and perjury,� one recruiter said.

But this tacit tradition � technically a crime � largely stopped in 2022, the same year the military�s recruiting numbers fell precipitously and today�s recruiting crisis came to the fore.

That year, the Defense Department brought a new medical records platform, known as Military Health System Genesis, online at Military Entrance Processing Stations, where applicants are medically examined before they can sign up.

Now, a year after Genesis was first used by MEPS, some military leaders acknowledge the new system has hindered recruiting.

basically the military, taking advantage of obamacare-mandated electronic medical records and the increasing panopticon we all live under, now has much deeper and more comprehensive access to prospective enlistees medical records. americans, being on the whole a very sick people, are increasingly disqualified, and there's no way around it anymore lol.

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