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it is if nothing else funny that a team with Luka Doncic and Kyrie Irving on the roster is still tanking somehow
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Apr 11, 2023 17:12
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maybe… kyrie will work for us!
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Apr 11, 2023 17:15
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loquacius posted:it is if nothing else funny that a team with Luka Doncic and Kyrie Irving on the roster is still tanking somehow if those are your best players you 100% should be tanking to get an opportunity to draft a valuable player
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Apr 11, 2023 17:40
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when do we find out who won mvp
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Apr 11, 2023 18:00
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it was embiid
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Apr 11, 2023 18:02
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fart simpson posted:it was embiid my great work is done I can rest
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Apr 11, 2023 18:02
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embiid's mvp is as fraudulent as malone's, due to jo
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Apr 11, 2023 18:03
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fart simpson posted:maybe… kyrie will work for us! It really is funny how since he left the Cavs he has consistently been on teams that are somehow worse than the sum of their parts.
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Apr 11, 2023 18:36
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Shear Modulus fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Apr 11, 2023 |
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Apr 11, 2023 18:49
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patbev's contributions to a basketball team are far beyond the ability of modern math to quantify
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Apr 11, 2023 19:05
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mvp should be about content
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Apr 11, 2023 19:10
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loquacius posted:it is if nothing else funny that a team with Luka Doncic and Kyrie Irving on the roster is still tanking somehow kyrie is good but kyrie and whatever second string guy replaced dorian is probably less valuable in total than the 2 starters dallas traded to get him
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Apr 11, 2023 19:14
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euphronius posted:my great work is done Jokic's advanced stats suffered a lot due to the Nuggets securing the top seed and coasting to the end of the season and Embiid ended up on the top of the board for some metrics. That was enough to swing the vote. Although I think Embiid probably deserves it!
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Apr 11, 2023 19:28
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Vox Nihili posted:FYI, Jokic's advanced stats suffered a lot due to the Nuggets securing the top seed and coasting to the end of the season and Embiid ended up on the top of the board for some metrics. That was enough to swing the vote. this is like walking through the completed cistine chapel with michaelangelo and pointing out some minor flaws
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Apr 11, 2023 19:30
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this jokic mf going to win a ring or something? kind of weird to have a mvp without rings
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Apr 11, 2023 19:31
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AnimeIsTrash posted:this jokic mf going to win a ring or something? kind of weird to have a mvp without rings what's the most recent mvp to win a championship before they won mvp
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Apr 11, 2023 20:00
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kingcobweb posted:what's the most recent mvp to win a championship before they won mvp steph won mvp a few months before his first championship. duncan otherwise, i think. Heck, Duncan got finals MVP that rookie year
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Apr 11, 2023 20:05
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mastershakeman posted:steph won mvp a few months before his first championship. duncan otherwise, i think. Heck, Duncan got finals MVP that rookie year i looked it up and the most recent one was kobe, duncan before him nearly every mvp wins it before they get ~rings~
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Apr 11, 2023 20:15
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I don’t think jokic will win a ring. I like watching him play though. Joel embiid should be mvp this year imo. the rockets should get wemby.
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Apr 11, 2023 20:49
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the sixers aren't winning the title but embiid finally getting mvp and a second consecutive scoring title is somewhat ok consolation since we can at least appreciate his greatness
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Apr 11, 2023 20:51
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the sixers can beat Boston. that means to win the championship they just have to beat Milwaukee that would be hard but it’s not a 0% chance
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Apr 11, 2023 20:54
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Apr 11, 2023 20:59
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since morey remade the '18 rockets, i have wanted all year for them to lose to the Warriors. long shot but still possible
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Apr 11, 2023 21:01
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let’s not forget the Philly team loses the finals jinx from this season.
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Apr 11, 2023 22:24
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3 championship losses in 100 days.
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Apr 11, 2023 22:25
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Embiid getting an MVP will be nice so he can have some record of his success before his knees turn into BBQ chicken. Jokic will play for 20 seasons and never suffer a major injury.
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Apr 11, 2023 22:30
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a new study bible! posted:Jokic will play for 20 seasons and never suffer a major injury. He simply chooses not to jump and so far it's been working out for him.
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Apr 11, 2023 22:36
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I am new to basketball, what is this saying? I ask as the first match I watched had Pat Bev playing and I really liked him but his stats look poo poo.
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Apr 11, 2023 22:40
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notaspy posted:I am new to basketball, what is this saying? Westbrook said the 'he trick ya' line about patbev's defense and someone made an advanced stat based on it
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Apr 11, 2023 22:46
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I also don't know what any of the numbers there mean is a higher number good or bad
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Apr 11, 2023 22:50
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it's in percentile. so being in the 99th percentile is good and being in the 1st percentile is bad. so it takes a bunch of different stats and adds the percentiles together, which is funny if analytically questionable. gordon, for example, hardly ever contests shots relative to other players.
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Apr 11, 2023 22:58
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the bitcoin of weed posted:I also don't know what any of the numbers there mean is a higher number good or bad High is good. 99th percentile means you're in the top 1%, 50th percentile means average, something like 5th percentile means you're among the very worst in the league. So you can see for example that Pat Bev is one of the best players in the league at drawing charges but pretty bad at some other defensive metrics, which checks out.
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Apr 11, 2023 22:59
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best defensive player I’ve seen this year is Brooke Lopez by a mile the young kid in Cleveland is good too
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Apr 11, 2023 22:59
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euphronius posted:best defensive player I’ve seen this year is Brooke Lopez by a mile I think I’d vote Brook for DPOY as well but it’s worth mentioning he gets to play next to Jrue and Giannis
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Apr 11, 2023 23:04
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New needle just dropped. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/our-new-live-in-game-win-probabilities-are-here-for-the-nba-playoffs/
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Apr 11, 2023 23:13
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Vox Nihili posted:New needle just dropped. and people say c-spam shouldn't have an NBA thread 
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God I hate Jimmy Butler. If he somehow stayed on the sixers and they managed to get him, Embiid, and Harden my sheer hatred of that team could be used as a municipal power source.
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notaspy posted:I am new to basketball, what is this saying? Kinda breaking down each: Charges - One aspect of good defense is drawing charge calls. That is, when the offensive player is driving to the basket, getting in front of them and outside of the restricted area and getting your feet set in time to establish position, and thus forcing a turnover. Contested shots - Basically staying close to the guy you're defending and when they go up for a shot, being close enough to "contest" it. I dunno the specific rules on spacing but it more or less means being close enough to meaningfully affect the shooter. Players that contest a low percentage tend to be lazy on "closing out". That is, as the offense is working to generate an open look they'll often get the ball to someone who is at least temporarily open. Good defenders will "close out" on this open player and contest the shot by getting a hand up to block or just in the shooter's face, lazy players will not spend the energy to do it and let the shooter take an open shot instead. Deflections - When the defender gets a hand on an incoming pass and keeps it from going to the intended recipient. This can lead to a steal, but not always. However, there's a lot of players who have good steal numbers but aren't good defenders because they gamble on getting a steal by going all out for it. If it works, it often leads to a fast break but if they miss, they're badly out of position and often that results in the entire defense breaking down and allowing an easy score. Better defenders will not overcommit but rather will constantly be sticking their hands into passing lanes and deflecting the ball. Even if it doesn't lead to a steal, it can stop the possession cold if it is tipped out of bounds, making the offense restart the possession but with less time on the shot clock. At minimum, it makes the offense scramble to recover the ball which bleeds shot clock time and then makes them reset on the fly, all of which lead to more bad shots. Defensive box out: When a shot goes up, a fundamental defensive principle is to immediately box out the player you are defending, which means put your body between them and the basket and get your hands out so that when the rebound comes down, the only way they can get it is by going over the top of you, which is a foul. It requires extra effort, so a lot of players will not bother and just try to jump up for the rebound. Because basketballs carom in unpredictable ways, even if you don't get the rebound, if you blocked out, it maximizes the chances one of your teammates will. If you don't box out, you might not be personally hurting your rebound numbers but you are definitely hurting your team's rebounding numbers. Defensive loose balls: After a deflection or a bad pass or a fumble by the ball handler, the ultimate hustle play is going for the loose ball. Basically no one is in control of the ball, so it is often recovered by the guy willing to literally dive to the floor to get it. Not going after the loose ball, even if you don't dive, is the ultimate lack of effort play because rather than spending energy to potentially get a turnover, they allow the offense to reset and continue the possession. Now, the issue with any or all of these is that on any individual play, there's usually a good reason a lazy player can point to for why they didn't do the hustle play so even on a game to game basis it can be surprisingly hard to detect guys that don't hustle, so those percentages try to track the guys who do the little defensive things that help a team be successful that aren't grabbing a rebound or getting a steal or blocking a shot
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notaspy posted:I am new to basketball, what is this saying? bro dont pay attention to any of that you just gotta know 1 stat: if they got that dog in em
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