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Anything you use to detect can be used to tune. There's a feedback loop there. Also, like, what do you think is used in an automated detector? A model! And if the model artifact itself is infringing... You're also going to have false positives and start flagging human work as ai-generated, which will I guess be used to absolutely crush people in court. The standard there not being accuracy but rather what you can get past a judge once. Like, look at forensics and despair. But the main effect I think if the court cases go bad will be to kill the FOSS side of this, I don't think the closed side is killable.
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Apr 12, 2023 16:37
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:not sure what the gently caress is going on here They know that bikes are for people that can afford to pay $85 for a tire.
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Apr 12, 2023 16:38
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Bike shops that sell secondhand bikes and parts often have slightly used or new but resold tires for very cheap. I've gotten a lot of nice tires for less than $5. I hate those Serfas tires. They suck.
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Apr 12, 2023 16:38
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Nothus posted:They know that bikes are for people that can afford to pay $85 for a tire. "basic human-powered transportation is for the rich and should be expensive" - America
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Apr 12, 2023 16:39
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Pf. Hikikomoriarty posted:if you want someone to do something about chat gpt start spamming congress with paper letters written by ai StratGoatCom posted:It's this. Fundamentally, this poo poo will not work in a lot of cases where copyright (AI 'creative' output cannot be cast iron defendable without enough work that it seriously hurts the value prep at best) or accountability matter, and the law on either of those is not gonna shift because if it does, it breaks the economy that deal with those things nearly completely. These models are crimes.txt in more ways then I can count, and they're trying to offload this piece of computational corium before the law catches up and kicks their rear end. Don't try and cheat using this poo poo, as soon as detection catches up - and if the economy is to stay functional, it will have to, one way or another - you're gonna get birched. this isn't a problem because our legal system already has a built-in solution to the copyright question. if the company using potentially derivative work is microsoft or google and has more money to spend on lawyers and bribing judges than the owner of the copyright, then they get to either get away with it or blackmail the copyright owner into selling the rights since their only other options would be to not enforce their ownership or enter into a court battle they can't afford. on the other hand, if the copyright owner is the one with more money and in-house counsel, then the copyright is enforced.
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Apr 12, 2023 16:39
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Nothus posted:They know that bikes are for people that can afford to pay $85 for a tire. more like Nothoughts
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Apr 12, 2023 16:39
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Bicycling is for rich elitists  Now let me tell you about the fantastic deal I got on my $40,000 truk.
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Apr 12, 2023 16:39
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Buffer posted:Anything you use to detect can be used to tune. There's a feedback loop there. Also, like, what do you think is used in an automated detector? A model! And if the model artifact itself is infringing... The closed side runs into the same issue for copyright defense, but won't have the same problems for offical use becasue they'll put a watermark of some varity in to avoid liability and DMCA/lawsuit the hell out of anyone caught hacking it out or otherwise trying to defeat it, because it puts them at risk of getting the Mouse up in their business. poo poo will end up being chased into the darkweb and prototyping. quote:this isn't a problem because our legal system already has a built-in solution to the copyright question. if the company using potentially derivative work is microsoft or google and has more money to spend on lawyers and bribing judges than the owner of the copyright, then they get to either get away with it or blackmail the copyright owner into selling the rights since their only other options would be to not enforce their ownership or enter into a court battle they can't afford. on the other hand, if the copyright owner is the one with more money and in-house counsel, then the copyright is enforced. You misunderstand the problem. It's not the training assets, it's that nonhuman poo poo can't be copyrighted, and given that changing that risks the copyright system getting the Clarkesworld treatment... well, they'd be fools to change it. StratGoatCom has issued a correction as of 16:44 on Apr 12, 2023 |
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Apr 12, 2023 16:41
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"Bicycles are leisure toys for the rich so there's no point in building infrastructure" "nobody in America rides a bike for their day-to-day errands (because there's no infrastructure) so clearly they must just be leisure toys for the rich." Repeat as many times as necessary to get nothing done ever wrt non-automobile transportation
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Apr 12, 2023 16:42
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I think we've been so primed by the Juicero-esque silicon valley garbage and crypto hustle scams over the last 5 years that we may be failing to recognize an actual transformative technology has come along in terms of AI Skepticism is always good, and I think the frankly stupid media coverage of these things as semi-sentient genius bots has contributed to it, but chatgpt and the like are actually quite good at generating bullshit, and people are underestimating how much of our economy is dedicated to the production and consumption of bullshit
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Apr 12, 2023 16:42
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Old Story posted:I think we've been so primed by the Juicero-esque silicon valley garbage and crypto hustle scams over the last 5 years that we may be failing to recognize an actual transformative technology has come along in terms of AI Useless bullshit is still useless bullshit even if a massive portion of our rent-seeking economy is based on it.
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Apr 12, 2023 16:43
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https://twitter.com/DaSkrubKing/status/1645797570537721859?t=8UNsIAdruSlvQaigXbAd-g&s=19
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Apr 12, 2023 16:45
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Right, but if a significant amount of people lose the ability to make a living producing things that are useless, it could have huge economic consequences maybe we need to think about decoupling people's ability to survive from their ability to be economically productive or something
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Apr 12, 2023 16:46
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/DaSkrubKing/status/1645797570537721859?t=8UNsIAdruSlvQaigXbAd-g&s=19 Leftists are right
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Apr 12, 2023 16:47
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/DaSkrubKing/status/1645797570537721859?t=8UNsIAdruSlvQaigXbAd-g&s=19 sexual centrist
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Apr 12, 2023 16:48
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Old Story posted:Right, but if a significant amount of people lose the ability to make a living producing things that are useless, it could have huge economic consequences Precisely, plus the damage to net functionality from the crapfloods and the attempts to filter them out and ensuring that undefensable poo poo doesn't enter chains of title. It's a blasted mess that no one wins in, even if it's not the creative apocalypse that techbro dipshits try and market it as.
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Apr 12, 2023 16:49
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:This poo poo is essentially a chat bot that googles stuff for you and everyone's losing their mind over it lol Some well paid jobs out there can be replaced with a chatbot that searches Google for you, maybe some will slide into the trades, might drive wages down for that industry as well. The American consumer just keeps winning.
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Apr 12, 2023 16:49
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the labor theory of value is like quantum mechanics: both are exemplars of how being told to read a textbook to get a more in depth explanation of something makes talking heads write really stupid poo poo
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Apr 12, 2023 16:50
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StratGoatCom posted:The closed side runs into the same issue for copyright defense, but won't have the same problems for offical use becasue they'll put a watermark of some varity in to avoid liability and DMCA/lawsuit the hell out of anyone caught hacking it out or otherwise trying to defeat it, because it puts them at risk of getting the Mouse up in their business. The closed model benefits from not telling you what the training set is. It can run / use the same things and just... not admit to it. Any simularities chalked up to training on an artists influences. W/o direct access to the model in order to see how it works with the latent space as well as sample images, only outputs. Then there's the fact that the vast majority of the human corpus of knowledge vis a vis visual and written arts is in the public domain. StratGoatCom posted:You misunderstand the problem. It's not the training assets, it's that nonhuman poo poo can't be copyrighted, and given that changing that risks the copyright system getting the Clarkesworld treatment... well, they'd be fools to change it. That just means stability can't claim copyright, and maybe you can't copyright direct output. I would just claim copyright when I use it as a tool. Unless you mean something like whenever I enhance photos I invalidate their copyright by sullying the purity of the human essence with machine blood or something.
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Apr 12, 2023 16:54
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Buffer posted:
No, that is not in fact how it works. You cannot copyright the product of wholly mechanical processes or instructions, either of which is the case. You can copyright stuff you do with that output, but ONLY the human amendments, which given what AI is free real estate as soon as you teach something to prise out the AI content. The best usecase is for references for concept art, because you have a human artifact to start a chain of title. This poo poo is not ruddy new, and it's this ignorance that lets the techbros get away with poo poo. StratGoatCom has issued a correction as of 16:59 on Apr 12, 2023 |
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Apr 12, 2023 16:57
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Shear Modulus posted:this isn't a problem because our legal system already has a built-in solution to the copyright question. if the company using potentially derivative work is microsoft or google and has more money to spend on lawyers and bribing judges than the owner of the copyright, then they get to either get away with it or blackmail the copyright owner into selling the rights since their only other options would be to not enforce their ownership or enter into a court battle they can't afford. on the other hand, if the copyright owner is the one with more money and in-house counsel, then the copyright is enforced. i don't mean the law is gonna fix this, we are seeing how that's worked out w air bnb and uber. im saying we should use chat gpt as what it is, a noise and propaganda machine, and use it to jam one of capitals communication lines like don't even make the letters about ai, they can be about anything
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Apr 12, 2023 16:57
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Shear Modulus posted:they make sure to gently caress you anyway because if you get debt forgiven you have to pay income taxes on the full amount i was curious about this and if it's cancelled as a gift or bequest it isn't taxable, there are other exceptions too but the whole thing is really arcane (thanks intuit!)
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Apr 12, 2023 16:58
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Mad Wack posted:i was curious about this and if it's cancelled as a gift or bequest it isn't taxable, there are other exceptions too but the whole thing is really arcane (thanks intuit!) It's not Intuit, its to prevent people from lending money and then 'cancelling the debt' to avoid income taxes.
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Apr 12, 2023 17:02
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StratGoatCom posted:No, that is not in fact how it works. You cannot copyright the product of wholly mechanical processes or instructions, either of which is the case. You can copyright stuff you do with that output, but ONLY the human amendments, which given what AI is free real estate as soon as you teach something to prise out the AI content. The best usecase is for references for concept art, because you have a human artifact to start a chain of title. cool, so because samsung enhances the photos on my phone using a diffusion model I can't copyright them? Purely e2e mechanical and software process except me choosing to click button. I use that example because that's precisely how a diffuser is used to enhance a sketch or photo. Another workflow is utilizing diffusion models in a way very akin to collage - mixing / welding together different models and weights and prompts across different areas of an image. Humans are *heavily involved* - it is not purely mechanical outside the waifu promptsmiths.
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Apr 12, 2023 17:12
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/DaSkrubKing/status/1645797570537721859?t=8UNsIAdruSlvQaigXbAd-g&s=19 lol jfc Turtle Sandbox posted:Some well paid jobs out there can be replaced with a chatbot that searches Google for you, maybe some will slide into the trades, might drive wages down for that industry as well. I know most posters probably don’t work in policy/academia/military but lol you could not just shrug off accountability by saying the chatbot is responsible. Presumably in private sector too, you’re not just paid for when you’re right but when you’re wrong. Remember these things don’t actually know anything they are not good at applying concepts from different contexts or disciplines, so problems very rapidly add up if you charge it with any kind of responsibility. Which isn’t to say 90% of professional writing is filler but that 10% can’t be left to something searching google and drawing… what? The most probabilistically likely conclusions? Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 17:21 on Apr 12, 2023 |
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Apr 12, 2023 17:16
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inflation is cooling just as we're about to enter election season. good news for joe biden i'd say
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Apr 12, 2023 17:17
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Buffer posted:cool, so because samsung enhances the photos on my phone using a diffusion model I can't copyright them? Purely e2e mechanical and software process except me choosing to click button. No, because a human lined up the image, and the bits of that genned image may be possible to dig out, as well as the nature of each bit. Its a useless title, not worth the case to defend when you get safer cost effect with existung technique.
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Apr 12, 2023 17:24
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AI is eating into concept art, promotional art, and commission work too. Wonky eyes or 6 fingered hands can be masked out and fixed with a button press now. Power users can save specific characters to reuse and pose them exactly as needed like a 3D model so they don't look like randomized mutants on each generation. There's a huge variety of advanced tools beyond prompting being rapidly released. Some companies refuse to use AI out of principal or legal fears, but tons are jumping in head first to massively reduce billable hours.
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Apr 12, 2023 17:26
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Apr 12, 2023 17:26
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Old Story posted:Right, but if a significant amount of people lose the ability to make a living producing things that are useless, it could have huge economic consequences AI isn't going to kick over the system and lead to glorious revolution. It's just going to immiserate another layer of the middle class and accelerate the upward accumulation of wealth.
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Apr 12, 2023 17:52
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strange feelings re Daisy posted:AI is eating into concept art, promotional art, and commission work too. Ehhh, given the rumblings I've heard out of contract and even romance cover art, this poo poo may well be starting to slow because the current doctrine makes it a mess to approach, and the object lesson of Clarkesworld suggests good reason to be very cautious in any amendments to that law that make it easier to protect AI output. Not least because copyright is a really useful thing to have on any asset if money or reputation is involved. Nothus posted:AI isn't going to kick over the system and lead to glorious revolution. It's just going to immiserate another layer of the middle class and accelerate the upward accumulation of wealth. That, and massively worsen the rate of epistemic toxification and the various obtrusive countermeasures needed to avoid making GBS threads things up. StratGoatCom has issued a correction as of 18:14 on Apr 12, 2023 |
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Apr 12, 2023 18:00
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:
lmao I completely forgot about that whole thing. they had that huge contest and then Covid made offices taboo.
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Apr 12, 2023 18:01
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Red Baron posted:lmao I completely forgot about that whole thing. they had that huge contest and then Covid made offices taboo. I guarantee you it's never completed and I guarantee you they still get to keep whatever Virginia gave them to build there anyway
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Apr 12, 2023 18:01
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Nothus posted:They know that bikes are for people that can afford to pay $85 for a tire. Moronic thought my friend
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Apr 12, 2023 18:10
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Nothus posted:They know that bikes are for people that can afford to pay $85 for a tire. Do they not sell cheap bikes at Walmart
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Apr 12, 2023 18:17
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Mr Hootington posted:Moronic thought my friend It's not entirely without merit. After all, the free market determines the price. If they can make a profit selling at 85$ a tires, why should they reduce the price? gradenko_2000 posted:Do they not sell cheap bikes at Walmart I think Walmart got rid of those bike sections. I haven't seen any Walmart with those bikes up on racks in the past 6 years around here
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Apr 12, 2023 18:20
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gradenko_2000 posted:Do they not sell cheap bikes at Walmart People in the US like to pretend that bicycles are all owned and ridden by dentists on weekends because the idea that there might be Americans who are too broke to drive around in an F-250 is distasteful to them.
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Apr 12, 2023 18:21
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i remember a friend telling me bikes had become very expensive and this was probably around a year ago including the tires
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Apr 12, 2023 18:23
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HallelujahLee posted:i remember a friend telling me bikes had become very expensive and this was probably around a year ago including the tires Prices went up with supply chain problems due to Covid-19 and shipping issues, and never went back down. The bike I bought in January 2020 for $1400 is now $2000.
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in America if you want a bike you just steal it
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