Ukraine War: "20 months of war for a used car."

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Raku: Nov 7, 2012; Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change.

Roll Tide

Nelson Mandingo posted:

Lets see what else Global Thinker posts. He seems pretty on the ball.

https://twitter.com/talkrealopinion/status/1646152700722135042?s=20

https://twitter.com/talkrealopinion/status/1646148016519217162?s=20

Is BRICS named after what Putin is currently launching into his diaper

# ? Apr 12, 2023 17:48

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# ? May 30, 2024 21:36

Sedgr: Sep 16, 2007; Neat!

Putin is a real piece of poo poo!

# ? Apr 12, 2023 17:50

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Nelson Mandingo posted:

Lets see what else Global Thinker posts. He seems pretty on the ball.

https://twitter.com/talkrealopinion/status/1646152700722135042?s=20

Oh I wish NATO was as involved as these guys are making it sound.

# ? Apr 12, 2023 17:52

GABA ghoul: Oct 29, 2011

FRIBSC

# ? Apr 12, 2023 17:53

A Pack of Kobolds: Mar 23, 2007

Why do threadbans expire when the thread is rebooted after having the previous thread erroneously closed in the first place?

# ? Apr 12, 2023 17:55

Vengarr: Jun 17, 2010; Smashed before noon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wymZGgjk-H4

Interesting little mini-documentary (with English subtitles) about a SPG-9 team deployed in Bakhmut. The ex-Azov guy has one hell of a character arc in 7 1/2 minutes. No blood or bodies. Just the SPG shooting rounds, interviews with the men and an artillery shelling.

# ? Apr 12, 2023 17:56

zone: Dec 6, 2016

A balding manlet who failed at being a spy, so he got a desk job, and is playing at being a dictator trying to rebuild the vatnik union in his image, who killed his political opponents and critics, was responsible for aggravating most of the messes in central Asia and Eastern Europe by way of the FSB, according to the confession of Igor Strelkov, is supposed to be the champion of the so-called multipolar world. Maybe we don't need such a so-called champion and champion nation of the multipolar world to have any influence. Just saying.

# ? Apr 12, 2023 17:57

Pekinduck: May 10, 2008

Raku posted:

Is BRICS named after what Putin is currently launching into his diaper

Forgot what BRIC was. Can you really call yourself an "emerging economy" if your country is a former power in terminal decline?

# ? Apr 12, 2023 18:00

Toxic Mental: Jun 1, 2019

A Pack of Kobolds posted:

Why do threadbans expire when the thread is rebooted after having the previous thread erroneously closed in the first place?

Because no one really tracks who is actually threadbanned so it just falls on memory and most of the people who do get threadbanned don't ever come back

Vengarr posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wymZGgjk-H4

Interesting little mini-documentary (with English subtitles) about a SPG-9 team deployed in Bakhmut. The ex-Azov guy has one hell of a character arc in 7 1/2 minutes. No blood or bodies. Just the SPG shooting rounds, interviews with the men and an artillery shelling.

drat that was really good. It's wild how much everything has slowed down to a halt in the last few months.

# ? Apr 12, 2023 18:01

Pablo Bluth: Sep 7, 2007; I've made a huge mistake.

The BBC have a new 1hr documentary out, Ready for War?. (VPN+Free account should work), following a group of Ukrainians through the five week training operation in the UK. It gives an insight in to what training they get, but mostly it's a fairly bleak, emotional gut wrenching story of people.

# ? Apr 12, 2023 18:04

fatherboxx: Mar 25, 2013

Pekinduck posted:

Forgot what BRIC was. Can you really call yourself an "emerging economy" if your country is a former power in terminal decline?

Love when people pretend it is a real block when China and India have open border disputes spanning for decades

# ? Apr 12, 2023 18:10

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Seh' die Welt in Trummern liegen

Edit: Spending more time ignoring and reading the thread before commenting.

# ? Apr 12, 2023 18:15

Drone_Fragger: May 9, 2007

Terminal autist posted:

The funniest bit is despite being surrounded by countries with universal healthcare they shipped his rear end back to the us and put in debt for the rest of his life lmao. Got my skull shattered by a rocket and all I got was this slava ukraina bumper sticker

Its universal for citizens, not for tourists or mercenaries who arent citizens. Treating anyone who turns up is rige for abuse and just leads to health tourism

If you're from an eu country the rates they charge eachother for healthcare are roughly equivilent so they comp eachother using EHIC, so traveling in the EU as an EU citizen means you'll still have coverage. United statesians in most EU countries would still need health insurance, as would EU citizens in the US

If youre a foreigner you still have to pay, though at leasy in the UK every place will do emergency treatment and any follow up treatments before asking payment. The NHS routinely has court cases suing foreigners for not paying for treatment though usually they cant claim anything since theyve fled the country or disappeared.

# ? Apr 12, 2023 18:24

Terrible Opinions: Oct 18, 2013

The charges given to foreigners in EU countries are still nearly universally less than what an unemployed person is charged in the US.

Guy should have applied for Ukrainian citizenship or at least residency as a part of volunteering.

# ? Apr 12, 2023 18:43

Strategic Tea: Sep 1, 2012

fatherboxx posted:

Love when people pretend it is a real block when China and India have open border disputes spanning for decades

I mean they're a bloc in that they both agree human rights aren't worth poo poo and that we need to absolutely respect national sovereignty, a phrase which here means the dictator can terrorise whoever he wants without encountering whining from any western ambassadors

# ? Apr 12, 2023 18:51

Deki: May 12, 2008; It's Hammer Time!

fatherboxx posted:

Love when people pretend it is a real block when China and India have open border disputes spanning for decades

A common complaint from Indian Chuds i've seen is that the US is too friendly with China.

From my relatively ignorant position on SEA matters, I don't think there's a lot of love lost there.

# ? Apr 12, 2023 20:02

precision: May 7, 2006; by VideoGames

Listening to old art bell and in 2007, putin criticized the US for starting too many wars lol

# ? Apr 12, 2023 20:04

Deki: May 12, 2008; It's Hammer Time!

I mean, you're not gonna hear me defend the wars in the middle east.

But even by then Putin had 2 wars in Chechnya and was almost certainly already planning the Georgian war

# ? Apr 12, 2023 20:11

zone: Dec 6, 2016

Deki posted:

A common complaint from Indian Chuds i've seen is that the US is too friendly with China.

From my relatively ignorant position on SEA matters, I don't think there's a lot of love lost there.

There's not a whole lot of love lost between India and China since the border war in '62, and the many incursions they've done at our borders since. It didn't help that USA and UK refused to sell advanced weapons to India at the time of this war, forcing the then government to deepen ties with the Soviets. Just between these things, and without going too much deeper into them, that's sufficient cause for grievance to fester among our local chuds, especially with the recent border skirmishes taken into account. And that's not even counting that there's no love lost among them for the UK over the British Raj.

# ? Apr 12, 2023 20:13

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Sedgr posted:

Putin is a real piece of poo poo!

He is misunderstood

# ? Apr 12, 2023 20:15

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bratwurst massage posted:

He is misunderstood

Yeah! He�s a whole log of poo poo.

# ? Apr 12, 2023 20:17

Philonius: Jun 12, 2005

Why do we even have a UN security council? It can only act against countries that are

A) Not a permanent member of the UN security council
B) Not friends with a permanent member of the UN security council

That doesn't leave much in the way of threats against world peace. Just dispense with the theatre, noone ought to be fooled by the thin veneer of legitimacy.

# ? Apr 12, 2023 20:18

Deki: May 12, 2008; It's Hammer Time!

The UN's main job is to keep a major diplomatic channel open between the big boys to prevent WW3.

Anything else is entirely secondary to that.

# ? Apr 12, 2023 20:25

Telsa Cola: Aug 19, 2011; No... this is all wrong... this whole operation has just gone completely sidewaysface

Philonius posted:

Why do we even have a UN security council? It can only act against countries that are

A) Not a permanent member of the UN security council
B) Not friends with a permanent member of the UN security council

That doesn't leave much in the way of threats against world peace. Just dispense with the theatre, noone ought to be fooled by the thin veneer of legitimacy.

Nukes and WW3

# ? Apr 12, 2023 20:25

Philonius: Jun 12, 2005

Deki posted:

The UN's main job is to keep a major diplomatic channel open between the big boys to prevent WW3.

Anything else is entirely secondary to that.

Yes, but we have phones now. Just call. It's only a handful of countries that matter in this regard, no need to fly the representatives of the other 180 to New York.

# ? Apr 12, 2023 20:28

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# ? Apr 12, 2023 20:35

Toxic Mental: Jun 1, 2019

You think WW3 is bad, just wait until you see WW4

# ? Apr 12, 2023 20:37

Vengarr: Jun 17, 2010; Smashed before noon

The UN exists to ensure that one guy doesn�t get his balls nuked

# ? Apr 12, 2023 20:48

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teen witch posted:

Time to find a Havana Club sub for my mai tais

My partner did two stints in Costa Rica and became very fond of Flor de Ca�a.

# ? Apr 12, 2023 20:52

HonorableTB: Dec 22, 2006

zone posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rmw7XCrBZMs

General Bullshit>Ukraine War: Combat hobos sent to death

# ? Apr 12, 2023 20:52

FEMA summer camp: Jan 22, 2006

Vengarr posted:

The UN exists to ensure that one guy doesn’t get his balls nuked

I've heard enough. Time to dissolve the UN.

# ? Apr 12, 2023 20:52

HonorableTB: Dec 22, 2006

In actual news,

US believes Israel can be pressured to supply lethal arms to Ukraine:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/intel-leak-us-believes-israel-can-be-pressured-to-supply-lethal-arms-to-ukraine/amp/

Israel Times posted:

The US believes Israel can be pressured or persuaded into changing its stance on Ukraine and providing Kyiv with �lethal aid,� according to a leaked Pentagon document seen by American media outlets.

The document titled �Israel: Pathways to Providing Lethal Aid to Ukraine,� is one of a trove of documents Pentagon documents that were posted on several social media sites and appear to detail US and NATO aid to Ukraine, but may have been altered or used as part of a misinformation campaign.

The document is one of several relating to Israel, including another document that alleged that senior Mossad officials encouraged spy agency members and citizens to protest the government�s judicial overhaul plans. The accuracy of that document has been denied by the spy agency and questioned by experts.

The document regarding possible Israeli arms supplies to Ukraine was first reported by CNN, which said that Jerusalem �likely will consider providing lethal aid under increased US pressure or a perceived degradation� in its relationship with Russia.

Israel has until now resisted providing weapons to Ukraine following Russia�s invasion in February 2022. One major reason for Israel�s hesitance appears to be its strategic need to maintain freedom of operations in Syria, where Russian forces largely control the airspace.

The New York Times on Sunday also reported on the document, saying that it was an �exploratory analysis� and dated February 28.

The document laid out four scenarios for getting Israel to supply defensive and offensive military hardware to Ukraine.

According to the report, the document assessed that the most �plausible� path would be for Israel to adopt the �Turkish model,� which would see Israel sell missile defense systems through a third party, while publicly calling for a peaceful end to the conflict and offering mediation services.

The document also said that growing Russian supplies of arms and technology to Iran, US pressure on Israel tied to halting Iran�s nuclear program or Russia causing Israeli casualties by firing on IAF warplanes in Syria could also lead to a shift In Israel�s stance.

The Times report also detailed the weapons systems the US wanted Israel to supply, including the Barak-8 and Spyder surface-to-air missiles and Spike anti-tank guided missiles.

Ukraine has long demanded that Israel supply it with weapons, particularly anti-missile defenses.

A recent report said there has been a recent shift in Israel�s stance, with a decision taken for the first time to authorize the sale of defensive military equipment to Kyiv.

According to the Walla news site, which cited three Israeli and Ukrainian officials, Jerusalem approved export licenses for two Israeli companies to sell electronic warfare systems with a range of some 40 kilometers (25 miles) that could be used to defend against drone attacks.

Russia has sent thousands of Iranian-made suicide drones to attack targets across Ukraine, particularly power stations and other crucial infrastructure.

Israeli officials told Walla that the approval of the export licenses was not a shift in policy because the systems are defensive in nature and do not use any live fire that can kill Russian soldiers.

The US has also been pushing Israel to increase its support, apparently including supplying weapons to Kyiv, according to reports. Western countries have poured weapons into the Ukrainian military as it holds up the Russian advance.

At the beginning of February, Russia warned Israel against supplying weapons to Ukraine.

Israel�s refusal to send weapons has contributed to the perception that the Jewish state has staked out a neutral position on the war.

As the war progresses, Israel has increasingly insisted that it is in fact on Ukraine�s side, providing over $22.5 million in humanitarian aid and setting up a field hospital to treat wounded Ukrainians in the early days of the war. In February, it voted alongside 140 other countries for a UN General Assembly resolution drafted by Kyiv calling for Russia to withdraw its forces from Ukraine.

In the first months of the war, Israel sought to use its unique position enabled by its close working ties with both Russia and Ukraine to serve as a mediator between the parties. Then-prime minister Naftali Bennett flew to Moscow and held a series of calls with Russian President Vladimir Putin and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky over a span of several weeks.

However, the effort failed to bear fruit and Bennett shelved the initiative altogether as his own political position at home worsened. Netanyahu pledged before entering office to review Israel�s position and also speculated that he could be called on to mediate between the sides, as Bennett tried to do.

In response to the leaked document, a senior Israeli official, speaking on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the assessment publicly, told the Times that Israel had taken �a very clear stand in support of Ukraine since Day 1 and had decided to focus on humanitarian aid.�

The document was the second that related to Israel. The other document relating to alleged Mossad support for the anti-overhaul protests was strenuously denied, with experts saying it appeared to be a case of misinterpretation.

The Prime Minister�s Office issued a statement on behalf of the Mossad, calling the reports �completely false and absurd.�

The leadership of the spy agency �advocated for Mossad officials and Israeli citizens to protest the new Israeli Government�s proposed judicial reforms, including several explicit calls to action that decried the Israeli Government, according to signals intelligence,� The New York Times and The Washington Post reported, citing a Pentagon document dated March 1.

The memo cited by the reports is unclear on how the Mossad leaders advocated for protest but said the efforts began during February. The information was labeled �FISA,� indicating that its collection required approval from a federal judge, as mandated by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

The use of signals intelligence � the interception of communications for information gathering � would mean the United States obtained its information through an act of espionage against its closest Middle East ally.

Senior US officials cited by the Times acknowledged that the leaked documents appeared to be legitimate briefing material, though one appeared to be altered.

The Times acknowledged that the document might not be accurate, even if they are authentic.

The documents were among a trove that were leaked and posted on sites such as Twitter. They are labeled secret and resemble routine updates that the US military�s Joint Staff would produce daily but not distribute publicly.

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Tuna-Fish: Sep 13, 2017

Deki posted:

A common complaint from Indian Chuds i've seen is that the US is too friendly with China.

Legit one of the very worst cold war era US foreign relations fuckups. The Chinese and the Soviets start falling out, so US aligns hard with China to help it along, but because China is opposed to India in about nine zillion different ways, this necessarily means pissing in Indian cereal (dosa?). For the rest of the cold war, USA pulled off all kinds of really petty bullshit like blocking third-party weapons exports to India, causing India to align hard with the Soviets.

If, instead, USA had aligned with India instead, maybe the world's largest democracy would not be sliding into fascism right about now, and there would be a very strong ally in South Asia.

# ? Apr 12, 2023 21:01

Burns: May 10, 2008

Im listening to ep 36 of Lions Led by Donkeys episode on the Donbass War. This ep is from January 2019 so its got some insights years well before feb 2022.

# ? Apr 12, 2023 21:08

zone: Dec 6, 2016

Tuna-Fish posted:

Legit one of the very worst cold war era US foreign relations fuckups. The Chinese and the Soviets start falling out, so US aligns hard with China to help it along, but because China is opposed to India in about nine zillion different ways, this necessarily means pissing in Indian cereal (dosa?). For the rest of the cold war, USA pulled off all kinds of really petty bullshit like blocking third-party weapons exports to India, causing India to align hard with the Soviets.

If, instead, USA had aligned with India instead, maybe the world's largest democracy would not be sliding into fascism right about now, and there would be a very strong ally in South Asia.

Rice would probably fit better than cereal, for the sake of the analogy

# ? Apr 12, 2023 21:12

zone: Dec 6, 2016

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1646189749667758080
Well..... good loving luck, you're going to need it

# ? Apr 12, 2023 21:25

Tigey: Apr 6, 2015

The historically close US-Pakistan relationship also played a major role.

I still regularly see Indian chud equivalents bringing up the fact Nixon sent a carrier into the Indian Ocean during the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971 as a warning to India not to also decisively invade (then West) Pakistan.

The gnashing of nationalist teeth here isn't so much that India was 'threatened', more that it was prevented from righteously finishing off Pakistan permanently.

# ? Apr 12, 2023 21:25

lifetime supply of Pocky: Aug 19, 2003

Toxic Mental posted:

Terminal autist was threadbanned in the old incarnation, just ignore him and if he does it more then he'll get his old threadban status back

Did you know that as mods, you might have the power to threadban people again instead of doing absolutely nothing?

# ? Apr 12, 2023 21:25

Toxic Mental: Jun 1, 2019

lifetime supply of Pocky posted:

Did you know that as mods, you might have the power to threadban people again instead of doing absolutely nothing?

Yeah and if he posts some troll rear end poo poo one more time he's gonna end up paying a $10 tax every time he posts in the thread. That was kind of the point.

Back on topic, thanks:

https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1646242808750014464?s=20

# ? Apr 12, 2023 21:29

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# ? May 30, 2024 21:36

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Tuna-Fish posted:

Legit one of the very worst cold war era US foreign relations fuckups. The Chinese and the Soviets start falling out, so US aligns hard with China to help it along, but because China is opposed to India in about nine zillion different ways, this necessarily means pissing in Indian cereal (dosa?). For the rest of the cold war, USA pulled off all kinds of really petty bullshit like blocking third-party weapons exports to India, causing India to align hard with the Soviets.

If, instead, USA had aligned with India instead, maybe the world's largest democracy would not be sliding into fascism right about now, and there would be a very strong ally in South Asia.

I'm pretty sure that by then India was already very friendly with the Soviets and covered for them for example during the invasion of Hungary, not to mention doing some invading on their own. Kind of understandable given the history with the British, but by that point the momentum was probably too great to flip sides

# ? Apr 12, 2023 21:34

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