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For fascists hypocrisy isn't a problem, it's a privilege. They'll have less than zero problem holding both view points at the same time; they'll enjoy that it pisses off their enemies.
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bird food bathtub posted:For fascists hypocrisy isn't a problem, it's a privilege. They'll have less than zero problem holding both view points at the same time; they'll enjoy that it pisses off their enemies. deoju posted:They aren't bound by that pesky thing called 'truth,' and spewing bullshit is much easier than debunking it. They knowingly use this to their advantage.  The Falwell’s kink wasn’t swinging, it was telling everyone else how to live (and punishing them for not) while being the farthest thing from it. Living in obscene wealth and Jerry watching Becky get railed by the pool boy is the ultimate flex. It’s a perversion at a whole new level.
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Apr 12, 2023 09:41
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Angry_Ed posted:Trying to equate the living avatar of self-centered narcissism to people like Jesus and Mandela who were infinitely more selfless than Trump ever will be will never not be funny and/or infuriating. Just imagine Trump on the cross angrily yelling for God (in this case, Fred Trump?) to come save him and smite the Romans. Technically Satan also went to prison.
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Apr 12, 2023 14:23
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Mendrian posted:Technically Satan also went to prison. Wasn't he just cast out? I honestly am unaware.
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Apr 12, 2023 19:42
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Angry_Ed posted:Wasn't he just cast out? I honestly am unaware. God throws him in prison for 1,000 years and then he is supposed to return to earth to lead all of us astray, appoint the anti-Christ, and then Jesus will come back. Pretty sure he has been down there for way more than 1,000 years at this point, so God must have extended his sentence.
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Apr 12, 2023 19:47
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Angry_Ed posted:Wasn't he just cast out? I honestly am unaware. A quick Google search shows the only reference to Satan actually being cast out and imprisoned happens during the events of Revelation, which was a vision of the end of the world. So no, ol' Scratch is still running around tempting people for shits and giggles.
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Randalor posted:A quick Google search shows the only reference to Satan actually being cast out and imprisoned happens during the events of Revelation, which was a vision of the end of the world. So no, ol' Scratch is still running around tempting people for shits and giggles. Revelation, Gog and Magog, etc. is more than just "a vision of the end of the world." It's supposed to be a description of how the earth is literally fated to end and how Jesus will come back. Revelation is where the concept of the second coming is established and if you believe that Jesus is coming back (which technically all Christians are supposed to believe), then it is supposed to be a literal description of how it is going down. There just seems to be a lot of debate on when Jesus is coming back and when that 1,000-year timer is supposed to start (or has already started) ticking.
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Apr 12, 2023 20:13
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The idea of Revelation all being an end of the world prophecy book is a modern American evangelical idea - it's not mainstream for most of the Chruch. The common interpretation was that it was talking about the Roman Empire and Nero in the time it was written to give Christians hope and all the weird imagery in it was code that Christians back then would've understood and interpreted correctly but now seems outlandish and odd to anyone else and that's how you get the Left Behind series. Only the last three chapters are considered a telling of a future event by everyone when Jesus returns and Heaven and Earth joined forever.
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Apr 12, 2023 20:26
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Thom12255 posted:The idea of Revelation all being an end of the world prophecy book is a modern American evangelical idea - it's not mainstream for most of the Chruch. The common interpretation was that it was talking about the Roman Empire and Nero in the time it was written to give Christians hope and all the weird imagery in it was code that Christians back then would've understood and interpreted correctly but now seems outlandish and odd to anyone else and that's how you get the Left Behind series. Only the last three chapters are considered a telling of a future event by everyone when Jesus returns and Heaven and Earth joined forever. Christian millennialism is way older than modern Christianity and not American in origin. It started around 100 AD, but the book of revelations and millennialism went mainstream in 1517 with the protestant reformation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennialism
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Thom12255 posted:The idea of Revelation all being an end of the world prophecy book is a modern American evangelical idea - it's not mainstream for most of the Chruch. The common interpretation was that it was talking about the Roman Empire and Nero in the time it was written to give Christians hope and all the weird imagery in it was code that Christians back then would've understood and interpreted correctly but now seems outlandish and odd to anyone else and that's how you get the Left Behind series. Only the last three chapters are considered a telling of a future event by everyone when Jesus returns and Heaven and Earth joined forever. Awwwww, I wanted to see the seven-headed beast... I know the common interpretation is that it was talking about Nero and Rome, it's just more amusing to assume that it's being literal, so as long as a big gently caress-off hydra never appears, we're safe!
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Can't wait to watch the chuds defend literal espionage lol
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Meatball posted:Can't wait to watch the chuds defend literal espionage lol "He DECLASSIFIED IT" "AS GOD EMPEROR HE IS ALLOWED TO DO THAT" etc
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Apr 12, 2023 21:15
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in tangential news, trump is suing cohen for half a billion dollarsquote:The lawsuit accuses Cohen of violating his attorney-client relationship with Trump by revealing his "confidences" and "spreading falsehoods" in books, podcasts and media appearances. i'm just a layman, but it seems like you open yourself to witness intimidation problems if you sue a lead witness shortly after you're indicted
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Apr 12, 2023 21:18
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https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTR3DR1vf/ Trump 🚂🚂2024 who else supports Trump 💯🇺🇸 (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Apr 12, 2023 21:19
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:in tangential news, trump is suing cohen for half a billion dollars Also seems like you open yourself up to all sorts of discovery in the civil suit.
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Apr 12, 2023 21:26
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:in tangential news, trump is suing cohen for half a billion dollars So Cohen broke the client-attourney privilege, but also everything he says is a lie? Am I reading that right? I know, I know, "If Trump denies it, he'll admit to it right away".
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Apr 12, 2023 21:35
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Randalor posted:So Cohen broke the client-attourney privilege, but also everything he says is a lie? Am I reading that right? I know, I know, "If Trump denies it, he'll admit to it right away". No, he's saying some things were lies, and others broke attorney-client privilege. Trump's a giant piece of poo poo, etc., etc., not trying to defend him, but there's nothing inconsistent about claiming both happened.
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Apr 12, 2023 22:50
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Randalor posted:Awwwww, I wanted to see the seven-headed beast... move over, red heifer weirdos: i'm breeding me a big fuckoff hydra
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Apr 12, 2023 22:54
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Google Jeb Bush posted:move over, red heifer weirdos: i'm breeding me a big fuckoff hydra Ozymandias is that you
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Randalor posted:Awwwww, I wanted to see the seven-headed beast... One of the hardest bosses in Dark Souls
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Apr 13, 2023 01:08
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Looks like "wire fraud" is the the next square on your Trump Prosecution Bingo card: Special counsel focuses on Trump fundraising off false election claims quote:Federal prosecutors probing the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol have in recent weeks sought a wide range of documents related to fundraising after the 2020 election, looking to determine if Trump or his advisers scammed donors by using false claims about voter fraud to raise money, eight people familiar with the new inquiries said.
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Frankie satire posted:https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTR3DR1vf/ this is a bad prob because the mod doesnt cite the original 100k hour prob. also does the wire fraud count as wire fraud if donnie has moments where he truely believes in his soul atoms Da Steal is true, real, and Dark Biden's friend?
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Deteriorata posted:Looks like "wire fraud" is the the next square on your Trump Prosecution Bingo card: I feel like I remember them having him dead to rights on wire fraud when his fundraising emails automatically signed people up for recurring. And they just like….didn’t do anything.
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PhazonLink posted:this is a bad prob because the mod doesnt cite the original 100k hour prob. I'm guessing it's this? https://forums.somethingawful.com/banlist.php?userid=81512#frompost371257922
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FizFashizzle posted:I feel like I remember them having him dead to rights on wire fraud when his fundraising emails automatically signed people up for recurring. And they just like….didn’t do anything. Though abusive and fraudy as hell (and something the CFPB and FTC are cracking down on), the Trump campaign's dark pattern and negative option tactics are markedly different than what's being reported as Smith's focus (sourced, undoubtedly, to the recipients of his subpoenas and their lawyers, as such leaks always are). PhazonLink posted:also does the wire fraud count as wire fraud if donnie has moments where he truely believes in his soul atoms Da Steal is true, real, and Dark Biden's friend? To go further from Deteriorata's piece: quote:One new subpoena sent by the Justice Department to a Trump adviser and described to The Washington Post sought drafts of all potential fundraising emails between the November election and Jan. 20 — and any internal communications about whether such pitches were legally sound. What Smith is likely to get is more muddled (though the Trump U stuff wasn't far off of my example above) which makes this the area he's probably going to tread lightest in. Hyperbole, false urgency, and ludicrous calls to action are the extraordinarily annoying hallmarks of political fundraising emails. With how (obnoxiously) common they are, Smith will rightly be hesitant to establish a precedent that could then be used to prosecute, say, a New England senator who continued to fundraise for their presidential primary run even after staffers internally doubted they had chance to win the nomination. I suspect given that, Smith will only move forward with this if it is extremely blatant. Another school of thought is that he does not intend to move forward with this at all, as the mere investigation itself may lead to what he's actually after: Pressuring flips from top Trump campaign staffers who are implicated in the potential fundraising fraud - even those who stayed well away from the Mar A Lago documents, the Enquirer and Daniels payouts, etc may be in jeopardy here. Generally, I wouldn't expect top campaign staff to avoid the illegalities by sheer luck... I'd expect them to avoid them by knowing what and where the landmines were and, in Smith's shoes, I'd be very eager to get that map.
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:in tangential news, trump is suing cohen for half a billion dollars The claim of "unjust enrichment" is just 
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Deteriorata posted:Looks like "wire fraud" is the the next square on your Trump Prosecution Bingo card: This is going to be pretty funny if he ends up being charged for campaign donation fraud when the doners may well have been happy to be defrauded.
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The Trump campaign ended up being responsible iirc for a significant fraction of all disputed transactions in the US in 2020 https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/03/us/politics/trump-donations.html
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Herstory Begins Now posted:The Trump campaign ended up being responsible iirc for a significant fraction of all disputed transactions in the US in 2020 I'm assuming a lot of these are the folks who intended to make a one-time donation, only to have the Trump campaign turn it into a recurring one?
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There was a story of one old man who was getting evicted because it became an every other week donation. Like it changed after x amount of weeks. e: oh, here it is "It was a big sum for a 63-year-old battling cancer and living in Kansas City on less than $1,000 per month. But that single contribution — federal records show it was his first ever — quickly multiplied. Another $500 was withdrawn the next day, then $500 the next week and every week through mid-October, without his knowledge — until Mr. Blatt’s bank account had been depleted and frozen. When his utility and rent payments bounced, he called his brother, Russell, for help. What the Blatts soon discovered was $3,000 in withdrawals by the Trump campaign in less than 30 days. They called their bank and said they thought they were victims of fraud. “It felt,” Russell said, “like it was a scam.”" https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/03/us/politics/trump-donations.html Sir, its not fraud, its only Donald Trump. OgNar fucked around with this message at 05:06 on Apr 14, 2023 |
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I literally live with a 78yo Bernie supporter who is finding a new charge every day. He's calling and disputing them as they arise. He has always despised Donald Trump and never would have signed up in the first place. Like, i live with this man today and wake up every morning for the last week to him on the phone disputing this bullshit. He's canceled all his cards and had new ones issued.
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Uglycat posted:I literally live with a 78yo Bernie supporter who is finding a new charge every day. He's calling and disputing them as they arise. As in the Bernie campaign is doing the same thing?
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bird food bathtub posted:As in the Bernie campaign is doing the same thing? I'm assuming that quote:He has always despised Donald Trump and never would have signed up in the first place.
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Just because you are "fine with financially supporting" a candidate doesn't mean you want them to steal your life savings.
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Clarste posted:Just because you are "fine with financially supporting" a candidate doesn't mean you want them to steal your life savings. Yes, but that's a much less reasonable parsing of what that poster wrote
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Fuschia tude posted:I'm assuming that I could easily believe that Trumps tapped out his own based of septuagenarians bank accounts and is going off after others whose details are in some FEC donations database he’s abusing illegally. I’d be similarly unsurprised to find that the hundreds of millions in emoluments he grifted during his presidency is dwarfed by the Billions he’s grifted from campaign contributions since then.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Yes, but that's a much less reasonable parsing of what that poster wrote How is it any less reasonable than the alternative that Trump campaign is magically charging brand new credit cards? For that to be true someone must have given them the new CC info, so either OPs uncle is supporting Trump or someone is stealing their CC info and setting up donations. Or, it’s the Bernie campaign doing it. Edit: made my post more clear. It seems less convoluted that they are talking about the Bernie campaign, but I guess either scenario is possible given the vagueness of the post. Seph fucked around with this message at 14:05 on Apr 14, 2023 |
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Seph posted:How is it any less reasonable than the alternative that Trump campaign is magically charging brand new credit cards? Someone must have given them the new CC info, so either OPs uncle is supporting Trump or someone is stealing their CC info and setting up donations. I think we're talking past each other - it seems clear that the old dude is getting spurious charges from Team Trump
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