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Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


*Israeli Government-affiliated poster
Feinstein releases a statement saying she will try to return to D.C. as soon as possible, but is not planning on retiring. She has spoken to Chuck Schumer and will temporarily step down from the Senate Judiciary committee so that Democrats can start voting on Judges again.

Kind of weird to take the extreme step of removing themselves from the committee, but also not resigning.

https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/1646306910969135104

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Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

This is such a bizarre tack to take for the "100% pro-life" people. Especially since people like DeSantis and others are okaying 6-week limits. Mike Pence of all people being not sure if he would support a 15-week limit is a wild choice in particular. Is there a group out there who were huge Mike Pence fans until they heard he wanted to limit abortion? I can maybe, maybe, see someone like Scott (who 99% of people aren't familiar with) trying to pull something like this and thinking it is a good idea, but still such a weird strategic decision. All of them seem to be blindsided when asked a follow-up question about abortion too.

There's some portion of "pro-life" people for whom "pro-life" means "keep the bad people from doing abortions at bad times for bad reasons", not "ban all abortions".

It's worth referring to the classic article, The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion, which collects anecdotes from abortion doctors who saw pro-life people show up at the clinic for an abortion.

There's also the fact that actually banning abortion outright is generally unpopular. Tim Scott doesn't want to speak against a national abortion bans because doing so would doom him in a primary, but he doesn't want to speak for one either because it'll be a very painful weight to carry into a general election. So he insists that he's "100% pro-life" in an attempt to convince the anti-abortion lobby that he aligns with them, but refuses to comment on any specific policies because he's only paying lip service to them and doesn't want to get nailed down on anything that might hurt him in the general.

shimmy shimmy
Nov 13, 2020
It's not like she wrote that message, and her staff are out of a job if she actually quits. She's also only taking herself off ' temporarily', so it leaves open the option of her triumphant return.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
Leaker of U.S. secret documents worked on military base, friend says
The online group that received hundreds of pages of classified material included foreigners, members tell The Post

quote:

The man behind a massive leak of U.S. government secrets that has exposed spying on allies, revealed the grim prospects for Ukraine’s war with Russia and ignited diplomatic fires for the White House is a young, charismatic gun enthusiast who shared highly classified documents with a group of far-flung acquaintances searching for companionship amid the isolation of the pandemic.

United by their mutual love of guns, military gear and God, the group of roughly two dozen — mostly men and boys — formed an invitation-only clubhouse in 2020 on Discord, an online platform popular with gamers. But they paid little attention last year when the man some call “OG” posted a message laden with strange acronyms and jargon. The words were unfamiliar, and few people read the long note, one of the members explained. But he revered OG, the elder leader of their tiny tribe, who claimed to know secrets that the government withheld from ordinary people.

...

This account of how detailed intelligence documents intended for an exclusive circle of military leaders and government decision-makers found their way into and then out of OG’s closed community is based in part on several lengthy interviews with the Discord group member, who spoke to The Washington Post on the condition of anonymity. He is under 18 and was a young teenager when he met OG. The Post obtained consent from the member’s mother to speak to him and to record his remarks on video. He asked that his voice not be obscured.

His account was corroborated by a second member who read many of the same classified documents shared by OG, and who also spoke on the condition of anonymity. Both members said they know OG’s real name as well as the state where he lives and works but declined to share that information while the FBI is hunting for the source of the leaks. The investigation is in its early stages, and the Pentagon has set up its own internal review led by a senior official.

There's a lot of detail about the "origin" server for all this stuff, and the user who spread it.

Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 03:22 on Apr 13, 2023

Kavros
May 18, 2011

sleep sleep sleep
fly fly post post
sleep sleep sleep
The most hosed I ever felt was when I missed a placement exam and had to tell my parents afterwards, and that was probably at .001% of the power of what the leaker is feeling right now

Leon Sumbitches
Mar 27, 2010

Dr. Leon Adoso Sumbitches (prounounced soom-'beh-cheh) (born January 21, 1935) is heir to the legendary Adoso family oil fortune.





Not just him, but the entire server is probably making GBS threads itself, collectively.

AtomikKrab
Jul 17, 2010

Keep on GOP rolling rolling rolling rolling.

Cimber posted:

That would be amazing if a special master did crawl through all that stuff. However it would seriously delay any trial by years.

I feel like Dominion would be perfectly happy to drag it out if dragging it out means Fox eats more and more poo poo, especially as the poo poo looks to be approaching stuff that COULD get the company shut down

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

It's a piece of JUNK!

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

This is such a bizarre tack to take for the "100% pro-life" people. Especially since people like DeSantis and others are okaying 6-week limits. Mike Pence of all people being not sure if he would support a 15-week limit is a wild choice in particular. Is there a group out there who were huge Mike Pence fans until they heard he wanted to limit abortion? I can maybe, maybe, see someone like Scott (who 99% of people aren't familiar with) trying to pull something like this and thinking it is a good idea, but still such a weird strategic decision. All of them seem to be blindsided when asked a follow-up question about abortion too.

It's confusing to me as well. This is anecdotal, but I'm trying to think of any Republican voters I've met in my entire life -- and I've met a lot -- who would refuse to vote for a candidate because of their support for any and all bans on abortion... and I really can't think of any, from the full Trumpers to the embarrassed ones. Like, at most I can imagine them being a bit concerned at the overreach but not enough to change their vote.

It seems to me like the concern is not for actual Republican voters, but a theoretical group that emerges in polls and makes abortion bans look statistically less popular than other Republican policies.

I suspect, but can't prove, that this group may be comprised of people who aren't voting at all (yet). I suppose there was a time when people who voted Republican purely for economic reasons were genuinely concerned about going too far on abortion, but post-2016 I don't know if those people still exist. Either they've decided the culture war stuff doesn't really hurt them so who cares, or they've left.

But I may be underestimating business owners. I suppose abortion bans are probably bad for them in many cases.

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Feinstein releases a statement saying she will try to return to D.C. as soon as possible, but is not planning on retiring. She has spoken to Chuck Schumer and will temporarily step down from the Senate Judiciary committee so that Democrats can start voting on Judges again.

Kind of weird to take the extreme step of removing themselves from the committee, but also not resigning.

https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/1646306910969135104

Keep that health plan going I'd imagine.

Paracaidas
Sep 24, 2016
Consistently Tedious!

Sir Kodiak posted:

It would not be strange for her (her staff) to request that Newsom appoint someone at the end of their career who agrees not to run.
It would, though, be extremely weird for Newsom to pass up the opportunity to have a California Senator who owes him for life in exchange for their appointment to a lifetime position.

James Garfield
May 5, 2012
Am I a manipulative abuser in real life, or do I just roleplay one on the Internet for fun? You decide!

Sir Lemming posted:

It's confusing to me as well. This is anecdotal, but I'm trying to think of any Republican voters I've met in my entire life -- and I've met a lot -- who would refuse to vote for a candidate because of their support for any and all bans on abortion... and I really can't think of any, from the full Trumpers to the embarrassed ones. Like, at most I can imagine them being a bit concerned at the overreach but not enough to change their vote.

It seems to me like the concern is not for actual Republican voters, but a theoretical group that emerges in polls and makes abortion bans look statistically less popular than other Republican policies.

It's not theoretical, last year Republicans had a pretty big turnout advantage but underperformed because Democrats did unusually well with Trump voters.

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

Nonsense posted:

Keep that health plan going I'd imagine.

She has had Medicare for almost a quarter century, although it's likely her secondary insurer.

Maybe she couldn't get treated at Walter Reed anymore once she steps down, but I'm not sure even they could resurrect her mind or body at this point.

VideoGameVet
May 14, 2005

It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion. It is by the juice of Java that pedaling acquires speed, the teeth acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion.

Main Paineframe posted:

Per kcal is a weird measure to use, since there's more to a food than just its calorie value.

According to Popular Science (yeah, I know, but most more reputable water use resources are measuring water per kg rather than water per kcal), almonds use 59 liters per 100 calories. It doesn't look as bad by this metric, because despite being notoriously water-hungry, almonds are fairly calorie-dense, so that ends up being only slightly more than wheat flour (55 liters per 100 calories).

That doesn't mean there aren't other crops we could use that require a lot less water, though! Corn requires 33 liters per 100 calories (a bit more than half of what almonds need), and broccoli needs just 10 liters per 100 calories (just over 1/6th of almonds' water usage per kcal).

But kcals don't tell the full story. Here's an infographic from Business Insider, based on this study of crop water footprints:



Pay particular attention to the units here. The "almond" entry on this chart isn't one almond tree or one pound of almonds, it's one single almond. Each individual almond requires an entire gallon of water, and five almonds require more water than an entire head of broccoli, even though the latter is more filling.

One pound of beef: approximately 1,847 gallons

VideoGameVet
May 14, 2005

It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion. It is by the juice of Java that pedaling acquires speed, the teeth acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion.

Jaxyon posted:

What in the world are you talking about.

What incremental improvements and why is an 11hr route that goes near zero population centers a better idea than a much faster one that actually stops at cities?

People are real silly about rail projects.

What? Coast Starlight:

Los Angeles
Santa Barbara
San Luis Obispo
Monterry
San Jose
Oakland

HSR?

Victorville
Barstow
Baker?

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

James Garfield posted:

It's not theoretical, last year Republicans had a pretty big turnout advantage but underperformed because Democrats did unusually well with Trump voters.

Trump voters are kinda wildcards since Trump activated a lot of people just for the novelty, I'm pretty sure.

Jaxyon
Mar 7, 2016
I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.
As a socialist I am required to defend the honor of trains

VideoGameVet posted:

What? Coast Starlight:

Los Angeles
Santa Barbara - 90,000 population
San Luis Obispo - 45,000
Monterry - 30,000
San Jose
Oakland

A bunch of expensive rich white vacation towns

quote:

HSR?

Victorville
Barstow
Baker?

You're thinking of brightline west

CA HSR goes

SF
SF again
San Jose
Merced - 90,000 pop
Fresno - 500,000
Bakersfield - 400,000
Palmdale - 165,000
Burbank
LA

and then eventually to SD which is another 1.4 million people.

It would connect with the Brightline route at Palmdale

The route is literally the flattest most direct route that hits all of those stops, should take 3 or so hours LA>SF depending if it's an express route or hitting a bunch of stops

The coaster takes 11 hours and what in the world would you do to improve it? Add a few more trains?

Jaxyon fucked around with this message at 08:06 on Apr 13, 2023

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

shimmy shimmy posted:

It's not like she wrote that message, and her staff are out of a job if she actually quits. She's also only taking herself off ' temporarily', so it leaves open the option of her triumphant return.

Probably not a good thing that I'm getting reminded of the last days of the Qing Dynasty with major members of government being effectively figureheads with no real power or awareness, and the actual power and responsibility being diffused to anonymous officials with every incentive to enrich themselves at the expense of the nation while avoiding exercising any power that might mean responsibility or accountability- and thus being completely unable to meaningfully respect to even major crises.

silence_kit
Jul 14, 2011

by the sex ghost

Main Paineframe posted:

Per kcal is a weird measure to use, since there's more to a food than just its calorie value.

It's not weird at all. It's a very good figure of merit, if the (ostensible) concern is trying to feed people as efficiently as possible, right? People when they control their diets usually set calorie goals, not 'total mass of food consumed' goals.

Main Paineframe posted:

According to Popular Science (yeah, I know, but most more reputable water use resources are measuring water per kg rather than water per kcal), almonds use 59 liters per 100 calories. It doesn't look as bad by this metric, because despite being notoriously water-hungry, almonds are fairly calorie-dense, so that ends up being only slightly more than wheat flour (55 liters per 100 calories).

If almonds use the same amount of water per kcal as wheat flour, an incredibly cheap and efficient to produce staple food, then I think that suggests that almonds don't meaningfully use a lot of water compared to other kinds of agricultural activity. This 'California almond panic' is bogus.

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Feinstein releases a statement saying she will try to return to D.C. as soon as possible, but is not planning on retiring. She has spoken to Chuck Schumer and will temporarily step down from the Senate Judiciary committee so that Democrats can start voting on Judges again.

Kind of weird to take the extreme step of removing themselves from the committee, but also not resigning.

https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/1646306910969135104

She can't give up until McConnell does. At least not until a plucky young hero heals our government.

Besides, McConnell is almost certainly spending half his energy fighting for his life, and half fighting off Rick Scott's attempts to steal his power.


Willa Rogers posted:

She has had Medicare for almost a quarter century, although it's likely her secondary insurer.

Maybe she couldn't get treated at Walter Reed anymore once she steps down, but I'm not sure even they could resurrect her mind or body at this point.

She's also rich as gently caress. No reason to avoid burning it all for every fleeting second it can buy.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Gyges posted:

She can't give up until McConnell does. At least not until a plucky young hero heals our government.

Besides, McConnell is almost certainly spending half his energy fighting for his life, and half fighting off Rick Scott's attempts to steal his power.


I feel like this is an insult to Skeksis. At least they're HONEST about wanting to sacrifice everything in the pursuit of their own interest, and are open about their backstabbing ways.

Though that would make the Democrats the urRu, a people that in theory are just as powerful, but proceed to do gently caress-all to actually stop the Skeksis until the very end and leave it up to a younger generation to actually do something, so yeah, it's an apt fit.

FizFashizzle
Mar 30, 2005







Gyges posted:


Besides, McConnell is almost certainly spending half his energy fighting for his life, and half fighting off Rick Scott's attempts to steal his power.


McConnell is probably stable.

Stability in this case involves not acknowledging anything on the left side of his body, but stable nonetheless.

Lmao he hasn’t been seen or heard in over a month and people are still like “yeah whoa that concussion. Real doozy.”

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
Weird thought I know but maybe the country shouldn't be run by a decaying gerontocracy that can be suddenly assassinated by a perfectly flat walking surface and a half second of inattention.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


*Israeli Government-affiliated poster
Someone has dug up a bunch of writings from Hakeem Jeffries in college from 30 years where he makes some controversial statements and defends some controversial people.

https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1646195991794667520

The two largest things are:

- A defense of his anti-Semitic uncle and Louis Farrakhan.
- Calling black conservatives shameful opportunists with a "slave-like" mindset who were virulent racists and race traitors.

There were also several other minor issues that he wrote about.

This contradicts Jeffries' claim that he didn't really remember the controversy around his uncle and wasn't involved.

quote:

For years, Democratic Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries has told a similar story: he was off at college and shielded from controversies surrounding his uncle, Black studies professor Leonard Jeffries, who eventually lost his job over incendiary comments about Jewish people. Hakeem Jeffries has said he had only a “vague recollection” of the controversy, saying he couldn’t even recall coverage of it in local press.

Some of the more controversial takes:

quote:

And in a previously unreported college editorial, Jeffries defended his uncle along with Nation of Islam Leader Louis Farrakhan, writing, “Do you think that a ruling elite would promote individuals who would seek to dismantle their vice like grip on power?” He added that they were unfairly targeted by “White media” for challenging “the longstanding distortion of history.”

Leonard Jeffries faced widespread backlash in the early 1990s after comments he made about the involvement of “rich Jews” in the African slave trade and “a conspiracy, planned and plotted and programmed out of Hollywood” of Jewish executives who he said were responsible for denigrating Black Americans in films.

“Dr. Leonard Jeffries and Minister Louis Farrakhan have come under intense fire,” wrote Jeffries in February 1992. “Where do you think their interests lie? Dr. Jeffries has challenged the existing white supremist educational system and long standing distortion of history. His reward has been a media lynching complete with character assassinations and inflammatory erroneous accusations.”

Like Jeffries’ uncle, Farrakhan, the leader of the Black nationalist group Nation of Islam, previously came under fire for incendiary comments about Jews. Farrakhan praised Nazi leader Adolf Hitler in the 1980s as “a great man,” and called Judaism a “dirty religion.”

quote:

“There has been a recent trend in the Black political arena which I believe threatens to sustain the oppression of the Black masses. The phenomenon I refer to is the rise of the Black conservative,” wrote Jeffries.

“The House Negro of the slavery era and the Black conservative of today are both opportunists interested in securing some measure of happiness for themselves within the existing social order. In both cases, the social order has Blacks occupying the lowest societal echelon,” wrote Jeffries.

quote:

In the summer of 1991, Leonard Jeffries gave a speech at a Black arts festival in which he said there has been “a conspiracy, planned and plotted and programmed out of Hollywood by people called Greenberg and Weisberg and Trigliani,” for denigrating Black Americans in films, and that “Russian Jewry had a particular control over the movies, and their financial partners, the Mafia, put together a financial system of destruction of black people.”

The comments led to Leonard Jeffries being repeatedly condemned by the Anti-Defamation League and American Jewish Committee.

Leonard Jeffries later compared Jews to “dogs” and “skunks,” and was condemned at the time by New York Gov. Mario Cuomo and New York City Mayor David Dinkins. He eventually left his position as chair of the Black Studies Department at City University of New York in 1995, after a lengthy legal battle.

quote:

In an editorial for the school, Hakeem Jeffries wrote an editorial filled with harsh criticism of Black conservatives, and contained other inflammatory remarks from the future congressman. "During the period of African enslavement, our ancestors were given the duality of the Field Negro and the House Negro. The Field Negro labored from dawn ‘till dusk, had nothing but contempt for his white master, and most importantly, the majority of Black slaves, who were Field Negroes. In contemporary terms, what we would refer to as ‘the masses.’ The House Negroes didn’t labor in the field, they were domestic servants. The House Negro was dressed up and was led to believe that he or she was better than those in the field. Most importantly, the House Negro sought to emulate the white master. This emulation was not designed with the interests of the masses at heart. Rather, the motivating force was personal gain."

“Perhaps this is the problem with the Black conservative politician of today. Their political agenda is not designed to contribute to the upliftment of their people. These right-wing opportunists espouse the political ideology of the power structure and, in return, they are elevated to positions historically reserved for whites.”

Jeffries' original claim was that he wasn't familiar with the controversy and was at school when it all happened, so he wasn't exposed to it and didn't even remember it happening:

quote:

Soon after he was elected to Congress, Jeffries told The Wall Street Journal in 2013 he only had “a vague recollection” of the controversies with his uncle, remembering it only as a tough time for his father and claimed his mother shielded him and his brother from the controversies because he was off at college.

“And so when a lot of the controversy took place and my brother and I were away at school,” Jeffries said. “There was no Internet during that era and I can’t even recall a daily newspaper in the Binghamton, N.Y., area but it wasn’t covering the things that the New York Post and Daily News were at the time.”

In another story, the WSJ reported that Jeffries said he had not even looked at his uncle’s most controversial speeches.

quote:

Jeffries’ office has repeatedly pointed to the comments made to WSJ when asked about his uncle’s most inflammatory beliefs, most recently in December 2022. “His on the record comments made to The Wall Street Journal speak for themselves,” his office told the conservative website Just The News.

He made similar comments to the AxeFiles podcast in 2019, saying, “My father made a deliberate decision to try to shield us from that controversy, because he was very concerned as to how it could just impact our wellbeing, our focus, because it was an intense situation.”

But, it appears that Jeffries was part of a group that invited his uncle to do a paid speech to defend himself at their college:

quote:

In February 1992, Hakeem Jeffries was a senior at Binghamton University in upstate New York and a board member of the Black Student Union. The BSU extended an invitation for the embattled professor to speak on campus for an undisclosed fee, drawing outrage from some students on campus and members of the Jewish Student Union. The BSU said the profits from the event would go to a foundation in an honor of a student killed in an auto accident.

After a Jewish student group called on the BSU to cancel the professor’s speaking engagement, Jeffries led a news conference defending his uncle and his speaking engagement.

“We have no intention of canceling a presentation that contains factual information, proven through scholarly documents and texts,” read Hakeem Jeffries from a statement reported in the student newspaper the Pipe Dream. “The proper way to way to debate scholarship is with scholarship–not with high-tech lynchings, media assassinations, character desecrations and venomous attacks.”

quote:

According to press coverage of his speech from the front page of the Press & Sun-Bulletin, the local Binghamton paper, Jeffries spent “much of the speech defending himself from charges of anti-Semitism” and reiterated his remarks on “anti-Black” Jewish moguls in Hollywood. Speaking on Jewish opposition to his speech, Jeffries compared the opposition to Nazism.

“It’s ironic that members of the Jewish community felt compelled to take a position that is antidemocratic and….pro-Nazi in its viciousness,” he said.

Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 14:43 on Apr 13, 2023

Automata 10 Pack
Jun 21, 2007

Ten games published by Automata, on one cassette

quote:

- Calling black conservatives shameful opportunists with a "slave-like" mindset who were virulent racists and race traitors.
This isn’t a controversial statement from the black community by any standards. Lol.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

quote:

And in a previously unreported college editorial, Jeffries defended his uncle along with Nation of Islam Leader Louis Farrakhan, writing, “Do you think that a ruling elite would promote individuals who would seek to dismantle their vice like grip on power?” He added that they were unfairly targeted by “White media” for challenging “the longstanding distortion of history.”

I mean, he ain't wrong either.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


*Israeli Government-affiliated poster
Juul has reached a mass settlement with several states and individuals for about half a billion dollars to clear up their remaining lawsuits regarding advertising to children and making misleading health claims about its products.

This brings their total settlement cost up to about $3 billion in the last year.

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1646194698820759552

quote:

New York, California and several other states announced a $462 million settlement with Juul Labs on Wednesday, resolving lawsuits claiming that the company aggressively marketed its e-cigarettes to young people and fueled a vaping crisis.

The agreement brings many of the company’s legal woes to a conclusion, with settlements reached with 47 states and territories, and 5,000 individuals and local governments. Juul is in the middle of a trial in Minnesota, an unusual case in which a settlement has not been reached.

But the company’s efforts to broker deals over the lawsuits have cost it nearly $3 billion so far, an enormous sum for a company still seeking official regulatory approval to keep selling its products.

The latest settlement resolved the claims of New York, California, Colorado, the District of Columbia, Illinois, Massachusetts and New Mexico. It follows other lawsuit settlements that took Juul to task for failing to warn young users that the high levels of nicotine in their e-cigarettes would prove addictive.

California contended in its lawsuit that for months, Juul did not disclose in its advertising that its devices contained nicotine. It detailed the company’s early marketing efforts, which included handing out free samples of the e-cigarettes in 2015 at trendy events, including a “Nocturnal Wonderland” in San Bernardino and a “Movies All Night Slumber Party” in Los Angeles. The New York lawsuit noted that the company embraced the use of social media hashtags like #LightsCameraVapor.

Attorneys general in those states conducted investigations that they said had found that Juul executives were aware that their initial marketing lured teenage users into buying its sleek vaping pens, but did little to address the problem as the adolescent vaping rate exploded.

In New York City and the Hamptons, the company held glamorous parties and “falsely led consumers to believe that its vapes were safer than cigarettes and contained less nicotine,” Letitia James, New York’s attorney general, said in a press event Wednesday.

“Juul’s lies led to a nationwide public health crisis and put addictive products in the hands of minors who thought they were doing something harmless,” said Ms. James, who noted that the state would get nearly $113 million from the deal.

California will receive the biggest piece of the settlement, estimated at nearly $176 million. During the news conference on Wednesday, Rob Bonta, the state attorney general, said Juul used the tactics of Big Tobacco to reignite a youth nicotine epidemic, after years of declines in cigarette smoking among younger Americans.

“I’m proud to stand up here today with the message to e-cigarette and vaping manufacturers: If you set your sights on youth, we won’t stand by and let e-cigarette companies put their profits over the health and well-being of our children," Mr. Bonta said.

A spokesman for Juul, Austin Finan, said the company had not admitted wrongdoing in the agreement. Citing federal data, he said underage use of its products had declined by about 95 percent. The settlement, Mr. Finan said, represents a near “total resolution of the company’s historical legal challenges and securing certainty for our future.”

“The terms of the agreement, like prior settlements, provide financial resources to further combat underage use and develop cessation programs and reflect our current business practices,” Mr. Finan said.

Selling products with flavors like mango and crčme brűlée, Juul sales were soaring in 2019 and the company had an envied and extremely high valuation of about $38 billion. But that bubble began to deflate when federal data showed that 27.5 percent of high school students reported using e-cigarettes, with more than half naming Juul as their brand of choice. As public pressure on Juul mounted, the company began to market itself less as a trend-maker, and more as a company helping adults make the transition away from traditional cigarettes.

The vaping crisis among teenagers has seemed to decline from its peak in 2019, but public health experts still express concerns that about 2.5 million adolescents report using e-cigarettes, at rates far higher than adults.

Overall, about 4.5 percent of adults use e-cigarettes, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. An annual survey typically taken in middle and high schools found that in 2022, about 9 percent of students reported using e-cigarettes in the last 30 days. In that survey, about 14 percent of high school students reported vaping, about half the rate reported in the survey taken at the peak of the crisis in 2019.

While the recent decline has been viewed as a victory, some who oppose e-cigarette use have been troubled by data showing frequency of use; nearly half the high school students who reported vaping said they did so on 20 to 30 days a month.

Under considerable public and regulatory pressure, Juul agreed to withdraw many of its flavored products from the market, which significantly diminished its dominant sales prowess and paved the way for competitors to step in.

A plethora of other e-cigarette companies have filled the space left by Juul, offering vapes in rainbow colors and flavors like key lime cookie, apple juice and strawberry ice cream. The surge has posed an enforcement dilemma for the Food and Drug Administration, which has authorized fewer than two dozen vaping products. In a recent congressional hearing, Dr. Robert Califf, the agency’s commissioner, said he would be consulting with the Justice Department to consider options for removing illegal products, including flavored vapes, from the market.

This new settlement with some of the nation’s largest states caps several moves by Juul to resolve thousands of lawsuits by individuals and other plaintiffs in the last few years.

The company just this month settled claims by West Virginia for $7.9 million.

In December, the company agreed to pay $1.7 billion over lawsuits brought by more than 5,000 individuals, school districts and local governments. In September, the company settled lawsuits filed by more than 30 states, for $438.5 million.

In the Minnesota trial that began a few weeks ago, Keith Ellison, the state attorney general, opened the proceedings by accusing the company of getting teenagers hooked on e-cigarettes “so they could make money.”

“They baited, deceived, and addicted a whole new generation of kids after Minnesotans slashed youth smoking rates down to the lowest level in a generation,” Mr. Ellison said.

Like other settlements, the latest requires Juul to refrain from marketing to youths. The agreement also requires Juul to stop offering free or “nominally priced” products to consumers, and from using “product placement” in virtual reality, as it had for programming viewed on the Oculus system.

Meanwhile, Juul’s business continues to struggle to find its footing. In 2018, the company dominated the vaping market, with revenues of nearly $1 billion. These days, Juul has fallen behind in market share to Vuse, which is owned by British American Tobacco. Juul does not disclose its revenues, but B.A.T. said its vapor category in the United States, which includes its popular Vuse Alto product, had about $1 billion in revenues last year, up more than 60 percent from the year earlier.

Tobacco giant Altria had pinned its smokeless future on Juul. In 2018, it paid nearly $13 billion for a 35 percent stake in the vaping company, only to watch as Juul became the target of blame for the rise in teenage nicotine addiction, and the defendant in myriad investigations and thousands of lawsuits. At the end of last year, Altria valued that stake at $250 million and earlier this year, it swapped that stake for Juul’s intellectual property involving heated- tobacco devices, which warm the plant leaves in a vape-like device.

For months last year, speculation swirled that Juul would be forced into bankruptcy proceedings. But in late November The Wall Street Journal reported two of its directors and earliest investors had provided a cash infusion, and that it would lay off about a third of its employees, about 400 people.

Meanwhile, Juul is still waiting for the Food and Drug Administration to decide whether to authorize sales of the company’s products to be allowed a permanent market. The agency has the authority to require e-cigarette companies to apply for clearance; in recent reviews, the agency has rejected millions of products, authorizing about two dozen vaping devices and materials. (Juul’s products are on store shelves now because the F.D.A. is not enforcing its requirement for premarket clearance.)

The F.D.A. initially denied the company’s request to continue selling its products in June, saying that Juul had submitted “insufficient and conflicting” data. But the agency later decided to conduct additional reviews of the scientific issues in the application.

Mooseontheloose posted:

I mean, he ain't wrong either.

Yeah for the first part, but you might want to do a quick Google on what Louis Farrakhan thinks is the secret history the white media is covering up.

Spoiler: A lot of it is "Jews invented the slave trade, Jim Crow laws, and had Hitler assassinated and smeared for trying to resist their control."

Harold Fjord
Jan 3, 2004
I don't rhink it's a contradiction to say you don't remember something well today that you remembered very well when it happened 30 years ago and you wrote about it at the time.

"You claim not to remember this very well but you cared a lot about it 30 years ago" just seems to be transparently bullshit bad faith media attacks, and I don't even like Jeffries

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



The 5th circuit partially upheld the ruling by the crazy Texas judge last night 2-1. They are ordering a mail ban of the drug and saying that doctors cannot use it after 7 weeks

https://twitter.com/steve_vladeck/status/1646476977744801792?s=46&t=BHs6Pl38GJXGN2Y4xeriNA

CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better

Per WaPo, the person who leaked the classified Pentagon documents was someone who, much like the War Thunder game community, was posting them for clout.

https://twitter.com/shaneharris/status/1646326727872749576?t=8KBKm1hFO57BZ5TalKn0Zw&s=19


quote:

[Talking about an 18yo discord member that was interviewed] United by their mutual love of guns, military gear and God, the group of roughly two dozen — mostly men and boys — formed an invitation-only clubhouse in 2020 on Discord, an online platform popular with gamers. But they paid little attention last year when the man some call “OG” posted a message laden with strange acronyms and jargon. The words were unfamiliar, and few people read the long note, one of the members explained. But he revered OG, the elder leader of their tiny tribe, who claimed to know secrets that the government withheld from ordinary people.

The young member read OG’s message closely, and the hundreds more that he said followed on a regular basis for months. They were, he recalled, what appeared to be near-verbatim transcripts of classified intelligence documents that OG indicated he had brought home from his job on a “military base,” which the member declined to identify. OG claimed he spent at least some of his day inside a secure facility that prohibited cellphones and other electronic devices, which could be used to document the secret information housed on government computer networks or spooling out from printers. He annotated some of the hand-typed documents, the member said, translating arcane intel-speak for the uninitiated, such as explaining that “NOFORN” meant the information in the document was so sensitive it must not be shared with foreign nationals.

...

In a video seen by The Post, the man who the member said is OG stands at a shooting range, wearing safety glasses and ear coverings and holding a large rifle. He yells a series of racial and antisemitic slurs into the camera, then fires several rounds at a target.

...

That’s when OG changed tactics. Rather than spend his time copying documents by keyboard, he took photographs of the genuine articles and dropped them in the server. These were more vivid and arresting documents than the plain text renderings. Some featured detailed charts of battlefield conditions in Ukraine and highly classified satellite images of the aftermath of Russian missile strikes on Ukrainian electrical facilities. Others sketched the potential trajectory of North Korean ballistic nuclear missiles that could reach the United States. Another featured photographs of the Chinese spy balloon that floated across the country in February, snapped from eye-level, probably by a U-2 spy plane, along with a diagram of the balloon and the surveillance technology attached to it.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


*Israeli Government-affiliated poster

Harold Fjord posted:

I don't rhink it's a contradiction to say you don't remember something well today that you remembered very well when it happened 30 years ago and you wrote about it at the time.

"You claim not to remember this very well but you cared a lot about it 30 years ago" just seems to be transparently bullshit bad faith media attacks, and I don't even like Jeffries

"I was at school out of state and never really knew about it. I wasn't exposed when it was happening, so I don't remember anything about it." seems pretty hard to square with:

"Organized a paid speech for his uncle, invited him down to his school to defend himself during the controversy, wrote an article defending him in 1991, wrote another article defending him a year later, and mentioned him again to defend him in 1995."

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Yeah for the first part, but you might want to do a quick Google on what Louis Farrakhan thinks is the secret history the white media is covering up.

Spoiler: A lot of it is "Jews invented the slave trade, Jim Crow laws, and had Hitler assassinated and smeared for trying to resist their control."

I know that and I am not saying defending Farrkan is good but it's a young man's first protests against the system in the 90s.

Judgy Fucker
Mar 24, 2006

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

"I was at school out of state and never really knew about it. I wasn't exposed when it was happening, so I don't remember anything about it." seems pretty hard to square with:

"Organized a paid speech for his uncle, invited him down to his school to defend himself during the controversy, wrote an article defending him in 1991, wrote another article defending him a year later, and mentioned him again to defend him in 1995."

It is hard to square, and maybe (probably) he's full of poo poo, but human memory is a weird thing. I'm sure there's plenty of things I said and did enthusiastically and repeatedly 30 years ago that I now have no recollection of. There's also things people want to forget.

ninjahedgehog
Feb 17, 2011

It's time to kick the tires and light the fires, Big Bird.


I don't think it's contradictory to say regarding the antisemite Lous Farrakhan, you do not, under any circumstances, "gotta hand it to them" and also that the white/conservative media especially way overstates his influence in order to have a easy punching bag and direct attention away from far more prevalent forms of racism

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

silence_kit posted:

It's not weird at all. It's a very good figure of merit, if the (ostensible) concern is trying to feed people as efficiently as possible, right? People when they control their diets usually set calorie goals, not 'total mass of food consumed' goals.

If almonds use the same amount of water per kcal as wheat flour, an incredibly cheap and efficient to produce staple food, then I think that suggests that almonds don't meaningfully use a lot of water compared to other kinds of agricultural activity. This 'California almond panic' is bogus.

Low-calorie high-mass foods are important to many diets, because eating lots of calories is fairly easy in modern society - the hard part is stopping at a given calorie level. When people are controlling their diets, the calorie goal is generally more of a calorie limit. High-calorie low-mass foods don't physically fill your stomach, and are therefore easier to overeat. Now, nutrition and weight gain are complicated and there's much that we don't necessarily know for sure, but there's definitely more to food production than just maximizing calories.

And like I said, almonds and wheat flour use twice as much water per kcal as corn, and six times as much water per kcal as broccoli. By this one measure alone, they're not ultra efficient.

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK
If you do college right, you should have a very hazy memory of large parts of it.

Twincityhacker
Feb 18, 2011

Judgy Fucker posted:

It is hard to square, and maybe (probably) he's full of poo poo, but human memory is a weird thing. I'm sure there's plenty of things I said and did enthusiastically and repeatedly 30 years ago that I now have no recollection of. There's also things people want to forget.

Yeah, I'm not really sure why "not a great memory for things 30 years ago I'm ashamed/pretending to be ashamed of" is a controversial take.

CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better

E. Wrong thread

James Garfield
May 5, 2012
Am I a manipulative abuser in real life, or do I just roleplay one on the Internet for fun? You decide!

Main Paineframe posted:

Low-calorie high-mass foods are important to many diets, because eating lots of calories is fairly easy in modern society - the hard part is stopping at a given calorie level. When people are controlling their diets, the calorie goal is generally more of a calorie limit. High-calorie low-mass foods don't physically fill your stomach, and are therefore easier to overeat. Now, nutrition and weight gain are complicated and there's much that we don't necessarily know for sure, but there's definitely more to food production than just maximizing calories.

And like I said, almonds and wheat flour use twice as much water per kcal as corn, and six times as much water per kcal as broccoli. By this one measure alone, they're not ultra efficient.

I mean there's no need to ration California's water to convert it into food energy as efficiently as possible. There isn't a food shortage and California isn't mostly growing staple crops. The problem is just that farmers are getting artificially cheap water and using it all. If they had to pay non subsidized prices for the water it would probably affect alfalfa the most since hay is less valuable than almonds.

The problem isn't really specific crops though, it's farmers getting senior water rights.

cat botherer
Jan 6, 2022

I am interested in most phases of data processing.
Several days ago, this tech executive Bob Lee (creator of CashApp) was stabbed to death in SF. Predictably everyone blamed the scary homeless, but a suspect was just arrested, and it's another tech worker who knew the guy:

https://missionlocal.org/2023/04/bob-lee-killing-arrest-made-san-francisco/

This isn't the last we're going to hear of this. In late March, Hindenburg published a report on Block (CashApp's Jack Dorsey-affiliated parent company) alleging some cooked numbers:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/cash-app-founder-bob-lee-184335488.html

quote:

Cash App allows users to transfer money through a mobile application and is touted by the company as an alternative to traditional banking services.

Block was not immediately available for comment.

Cash App parent Block was recently in the news after short-seller Hindenburg said in a report that the payments firm overstated its user numbers and understated its customer acquisition costs.

I imagine the dude had reason to be pissed off about this situation and murdered him for rich nerd reasons, but still :tinfoil:

cat botherer fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Apr 13, 2023

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Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
Rush Limbaugh talked about Louis Farrakhan all the time. I even remember some of the lyrics to the parody of "The Candyman" the show made about him.

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