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Wait a minute. Does this mean we're about to get a whole lot of new users? Ew
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Apr 13, 2023 21:36
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Karate Bastard posted:Wait a minute. Does this mean we're about to get a whole lot of new users? Ew anyone who knows that bellingcat started on SA knows enough about SA to stay far away from this cursed place
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Apr 13, 2023 21:38
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Didn't you see? He just tweeted it out, like some Trump JR. Oh man we're definitely getting internet people in here now. Oh no. Oh god
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Apr 13, 2023 21:40
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Karate Bastard posted:Wait a minute. Does this mean we're about to get a whole lot of new users? Ew Lol chuds don't pay money for anything BUT grifts.
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Apr 13, 2023 21:41
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HonorableTB posted:https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/1361230069088325633?s=20 Also hilarious is that there are a handful of stupid loving assholes on this very website who hiss about him being CIA because he chaos-dunk owned them at some point
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Apr 13, 2023 21:42
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lifetime supply of Pocky posted:Also hilarious is that there are a handful of stupid loving assholes on this very website who hiss about him being CIA because he chaos-dunk owned them at some point lol pioneering an entirely new field of intelligence for the digital social media era to own your posting enemies
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Apr 13, 2023 21:43
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Only greyzone reading tankie morons seriously think he's MI5 or CIA.
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Apr 13, 2023 21:44
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Why does an Air National Guardsman have those docs lmao
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Apr 13, 2023 21:45
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Toxic Mental posted:Why does an Air National Guardsman have those docs lmao As someone literally just said, he was an IT guy for the intelligence officers stationed there. So he had access to them as a side-effect.
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Apr 13, 2023 21:45
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Der Kyhe posted:"It can always get stupider" is an universal constant. Speaking of stupidity, I've been reading "The Plague" and this quote is so on the nose quote:When a war breaks out people say: 'It won't last, it's too stupid.' And war is certainly too stupid, but that doesn't prevent it from lasting.
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Apr 13, 2023 21:47
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Yeah I know but I mean like good lord why does a 21 year old National Guard member ever have anything close to that level of access, that's insane he just put it on a USB stick and went home
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Apr 13, 2023 21:47
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Toxic Mental posted:Yeah I know but I mean like good lord why does a 21 year old National Guard member ever have anything close to that level of access, that's insane he just put it on a USB stick and went home because senior officers don't do analysis, or reports. That's all junior servicemembers in intelligence. They do the collation and intel analysis and while they will typically never have any clue where their intel comes from as far as methods, they are the ones analyzing it and turning it into reports for people higher up. Is it stupid? You make the call! The president's daily brief is prepared by a mid-level intel officer, at best  Much more likely that these reports are prepared by some fuckass shavetail O-2 or O-3 and that's at the highest level! With less important things, lol..Or IT! IT Admins have tons of access to poo poo they really shouldn't and now we see why
HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 21:52 on Apr 13, 2023 |
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Apr 13, 2023 21:49
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Toxic Mental posted:Yeah I know but I mean like good lord why does a 21 year old National Guard member ever have anything close to that level of access, that's insane he just put it on a USB stick and went home You don't need security clearance to read everything when you run the system that the files are stored on.
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Apr 13, 2023 21:49
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Toxic Mental posted:Why does an Air National Guardsman have those docs lmao he's on like the lowest rung of having access to these kind of daily briefings, probably because he fixes the computers people use to look at this stuff. so i doubt he needed to have access to them directly for his job but he did have access to them as a consequence of doing his job, because its a real big pain in the rear end to have it so your computer fixer isn't legally allowed to look at the screen some barely out of his teens numbskull stealing classified info for posting cred isn't the stupidest intel leak in the history of intelligence but its pretty god drat stupid and fairly novel. to me the most interesting thing is that the nature of the leak, on a tiny and obscure racist discord for children, meant that he could absolutely stuff the thing full of intel before anyone detected that a leak was happening. instead of like manning or snowden or someone who had to load up a thumb drive with as many dox as possible then smuggle that out normally extensive background checks and threatening the Wrath Of God Almighty is a decent enough combo to prevent situations like this from happening too often but they will happen from time to time and hopefully for less ridiculous reasons than trying to impress a ladyposter in minecraft or whatever the gently caress
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Apr 13, 2023 21:50
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Toxic Mental posted:Yeah I know but I mean like good lord why does a 21 year old National Guard member ever have anything close to that level of access, that's insane he just put it on a USB stick and went home I mean I don't think our intelligence community thought they had to put safeguards in place to keep some 21 year old from stealing God knows how many documents so he could show them to his video game friends.
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Apr 13, 2023 21:50
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It's snowden all over again. Nothing was learned. To clown on the entire west, memorize the phrase "have you turned it on and off again?" and get a job as a computer toucher at some irrelevant poo poo hole station and all of minecraft is your oyster lmao
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Apr 13, 2023 21:51
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Karate Bastard posted:It's snowden all over again. Nothing was learned. Eh not quite Snowden this time! Snowden was a contractor with the NSA, this clown was uniformed NatGuard. That's why the Big Boot is coming down on the leaker and Snowden was able to escape to Russia and live more or less unmolested since then. There are degrees of how hosed you are when it comes to intelligence leaks. In terms of raw impact Snowden was much more influential. This dude hosed another country primarily (and himself), but because he's uniformed and property of Uncle Sam, the level of truly boned is just a lot higher as a result. To illustrate, if Snowden was caught, he'd go to normal federal prison and ironically, had he just done so, he would've been out and a free man for the last few years rather than living in Russia as a propaganda showpiece. This leaker by contrast is going to Leavenworth to make big ones into little ones, and if/when he gets out, it's going to be measured in the double digit years length of time. That uniform, that clearance, that MOS, and that inherent trust with it make all the difference in the world as far as this poo poo's concerned. HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Apr 13, 2023 |
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Apr 13, 2023 21:53
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Toiling in the meme mines, crafting my discord post
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Apr 13, 2023 21:54
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Mokotow posted:Why the gently caress does the Massachusetts Air National Guard need to have a full intelligence brief on every aspect of the Russian invasion of Ukraine? I would appreciate it if our civilian oversight would ask this exactly worded question to the military brass. Because it is a very good loving question.
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Apr 13, 2023 21:55
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i guess a good analogy is "why was a 21 year old driving the big truck?" when we have to entrust young people with entry level dangerous or important jobs at some point. its just that sometimes that fresh young employee drives through the facility wall causing millions in damages, or leaks critical national secrets that alter the course of world events. it happens
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Apr 13, 2023 21:59
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The number of people with Top Secret clearance is 1.3 million. How on earth you can expect to keep anything from leaking is beyond me.
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Apr 13, 2023 21:59
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spankmeister posted:The number of people with Top Secret clearance is 1.3 million. How on earth you can expect to keep anything from leaking is beyond me. right, that's why it is a bit of a surprise that it doesn't happen more often the notable thing about this leak isn't that it happened, its that it happened for such incredibly stupid reasons. did this guy get a fat paycheck or the ride of his life from a blonde honeypot? no, he impressed a handful of gamer children online. very good thing to detonate your entire life over lmao
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Apr 13, 2023 22:01
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Nelson Mandingo posted:I would appreciate it if our civilian oversight would ask this exactly worded question to the military brass. Because it is a very good loving question. "He ran the computer systems as the admin, how were we suppose to give him less access?" would be the pretty easy answer to be honest.
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Apr 13, 2023 22:02
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spankmeister posted:The number of people with Top Secret clearance is 1.3 million. How on earth you can expect to keep anything from leaking is beyond me. TS clearance is a big bucket. The compartmentalization of intelligence means that what really matters is the combination of things after that TS. EG: TS//SI//NOFORN//REL TO *** This would be Top Secret (one of multiple levels from Confidential > Secret > Top Secret) // Signals Intelligence [how the info was obtained] // No Foreigners [no access beyond US personnel] // Related to ABC123, whatever issue was at hand. There are many other qualifiers than can be appended to this string, each of which narrows the amount of people who are able to see it without raising immediate and concerning red flags resulting in counterintelligence action. TLDR: just because you might be able to technically access it doesn't mean someone didn't see you access it, wonder why you needed to access it, investigate, see you don't have access, and come to you asking why you're snooping around things you don't need to know and that's a real short route to bad times for you With this combination the number of people with access goes from 1.3 million to about 1000, as stated in some of the recent reporting. Classification is on a need to know basis as much as it is on a clearance basis. Someone with TS clearance in the nukes program wouldn't be able to access TS info in the satellite or collection sections, for example. That helps to narrow down who has access CONSIDERABLY. Stuff marked Top Secret doesn't just mean it's available to view for anyone with Top Secret access. They have to have approved access to everything else in that string too. HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Apr 13, 2023 |
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Apr 13, 2023 22:02
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spankmeister posted:The number of people with Top Secret clearance is 1.3 million. How on earth you can expect to keep anything from leaking is beyond me. Threats and peer pressure mostly.
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Apr 13, 2023 22:02
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Play posted:Also pretty funny that apparently the enormous US intelligence apparatus was too busy circle jerking itself and needed Bellingcat's help to find this guy. People keep trying to poo poo talk Bellingcat but they keep bringing in results where others fail. This is not to Bellingcat's credit so much as it is an indictment of everyone else.
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Apr 13, 2023 22:03
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Play posted:Okay maybe groomer is going too far but running a discord server full of little boys and acting like their father/prophet/instructor-in the arts of racism is pretty freaking weird  That said, if he started this Discord when he was himself a teenager it is a lot easier to understand how he could be this stupid as an """adult""" Delightful memories of my 14-year-old buddies and I getting into D&D when a 21-year-old who had been running games at the local gaming store for years started running one for us, and all of our parents in unison were like "so, we know he is a pedophile, what do we do about it" (and the 21-year-old had the only appropriate response, meeting each of our parents in turn and being like "oh I get it, I would assume the worst about me too") Toxic Mental posted:Yeah I know but I mean like good lord why does a 21 year old National Guard member ever have anything close to that level of access, that's insane he just put it on a USB stick and went home spankmeister posted:The number of people with Top Secret clearance is 1.3 million. How on earth you can expect to keep anything from leaking is beyond me. Also unrelated, I think Bellingcat is the only successful project to come out of the Forums where we did not disown and ban the creator. Here is where someone tells me Brown Moses is banned. But at the very least we actually did a good job staying on neutral terms!!!
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Apr 13, 2023 22:06
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HonorableTB posted:TS clearance is a big bucket. The compartmentalization of intelligence means that what really matters is the combination of things after that TS. Cool so why are they mailing around this incredibly sensitive stuff to Yokel McNazi over at the Air National Guard of Massachusetts? Why would anyone there need to know the latest juicy gossip from Macrons iPhone or whatever?
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Apr 13, 2023 22:09
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Dr. Quarex posted:
He's not banned, but Assad wishes he was. spankmeister posted:Cool so why are they mailing around this incredibly sensitive stuff to Yokel McNazi over at the Air National Guard of Massachusetts? Why would anyone there need to know the latest juicy gossip from Macrons iPhone or whatever? As stated like 50 times in the thread, he's the admin of the computer systems at the intelligence wing of the base where a bunch of non-National Guard intelligence agents are stationed. Your admin is gonna have access by virtue of being an admin.
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Apr 13, 2023 22:14
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spankmeister posted:Cool so why are they mailing around this incredibly sensitive stuff to Yokel McNazi over at the Air National Guard of Massachusetts? Why would anyone there need to know the latest juicy gossip from Macrons iPhone or whatever? Can't answer that one chief beyond IT admin having IT admin access as a nature of the job, your guess is as good as mine beyond that 
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Apr 13, 2023 22:14
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Dr. Quarex posted:Already covered on some level but fun insider fact, the cleaning person who empties our trash cans has clearance. Possibly more clearance than I do actually, now that I think of it That's always funny to inform people of. Anyone who does any long term work on a base has a clearance. The people who work at the NEX stocking shelves and running the register like they would at any crappy Target have a secret clearance. The people who work at the Starbucks in the Pentagon almost 100% have a TS clearance  I really wanna know what they pay for someone to put up with that.
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Apr 13, 2023 22:15
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Thanks for the explanations regardless, didn't meant to come off as flippant.
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Apr 13, 2023 22:16
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If you want to nitpick the details, his formal title wasn't IT guy but https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1646598529610141697 https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1646598531057176592 which is basically IT guy.
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Apr 13, 2023 22:17
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https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1646586927754215429 The T-55s have arrived at last to the front. Reportedly, they ended up in Zaporizhzhia, probably for use as pillboxes or similar static defenses, unless they're desperate enough to actually send them into the teeth of whatever attacks the Ukrainian military have planned there.
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Apr 13, 2023 22:18
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that starbucks has literally hundreds of nukes from every serious nuclear power aimed at it
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Apr 13, 2023 22:18
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Toxic Mental posted:You think WW3 is bad, just wait until you see WW4 sorry bud, WW4 will be awesome because world wars work on Star Trek Movie rules.
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Apr 13, 2023 22:24
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bob dobbs is dead posted:that starbucks has literally hundreds of nukes from every serious nuclear power aimed at it willo567's location confirmed Crossposting from GIP thread for lols: HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Apr 13, 2023 |
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Apr 13, 2023 22:24
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Philonius posted:But that's the part that gets me. The leaked documents contained estimates of actual Ukrainian and Russian combat losses, and assessments of the likelihood of a Ukrainian offensive to succeed. There's just no way that a 21 year old air national guardsman would need to know these things. Or anyone else outside of senior military circles, for that matter. Piss poor information security. you don't decide this, fyi
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Apr 13, 2023 22:44
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HonorableTB posted:TS clearance is a big bucket. The compartmentalization of intelligence means that what really matters is the combination of things after that TS. this whole post is really inaccurate
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Apr 13, 2023 22:45
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