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DancingShade posted:The subtle information control didn't work so they went all out. Turns out the only way to prevent non-approved information getting out was to burn all the books ever printed. It isn't a surprise the US is now talking about going after VPNs.
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Kwolok posted:I consider conscripted soldiers thrown into a meatgrinder for a war that never needed to happen in the first place as civilians by proxy soooo Exactly. If only the US and EU hadnt aligned with Ukrainian fascists and carried out a coup against the democratically elected leadership of Ukraine in 2014 this never would have happened. Its a shame Russia had to step in and protect first Crimea, then the republics, from Ukrainian aggression and escalating ethnic cleansing crusades.
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Apr 14, 2023 13:20
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Frosted Flake posted:Searching for “Ukrainian long range weapons” has articles celebrating them hitting the Russian cruiser, various airbases or whatever, but nothing at all about any other targets, which they have not only said they want to hit but have hit! I cannot imagine why the handful of lovely drone attacks and one reasonably successful strike on a Russian bomber base don't occupy a bigger space in search results than Russian cruise missile strikes on civil infrastructure or sinking a flagship. One of life's mysteries.
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Apr 14, 2023 13:21
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mlmp08 posted:I cannot imagine why the handful of lovely drone attacks and one reasonably successful strike on a Russian bomber base don't occupy a bigger space in search results than Russian cruise missile strikes on civil infrastructure or sinking a flagship. One of life's mysteries. It's because the current Ukraine government is friendly, OP. If they were not, you can bet improvised drone tactics would be viewed very differently.
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Apr 14, 2023 13:26
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mlmp08 posted:I cannot imagine why the handful of lovely drone attacks and one reasonably successful strike on a Russian bomber base don't occupy a bigger space in search results than Russian cruise missile strikes on civil infrastructure or sinking a flagship. One of life's mysteries. 
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Apr 14, 2023 13:27
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Ardennes posted:It isn't a surprise the US is now talking about going after VPNs. And going after zlibrary
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Apr 14, 2023 13:28
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gradenko_2000 posted:And going after zlibrary lol it ended up costing them more in the long run since now I'm expensing $400 pdfs 
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Apr 14, 2023 13:28
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PhilippAchtel posted:It's because the current Ukraine government is friendly, OP. If they were not, you can bet improvised drone tactics would be viewed very differently. It’s also that Ukraine hasn’t really launched poo poo for long range attacks. I’m not saying they would refrain out of kindness if they could. But Ukraine has launched something like a dozen cobbled together drones that mostly failed or caused a small fire at a building. Got a decent hit against an expressly military target (bomber) once that was reported publicly. Pretty small story compared to firing thousands of missiles into civic infrastructure, apartments, etc.
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Apr 14, 2023 13:33
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The head of the Ukrainian military said it was their single greatest priority for this year.
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Apr 14, 2023 13:33
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Frosted Flake posted:The head of the Ukrainian military said it was their single greatest priority for this year. What was the quote exactly? If the head of the Ukrainian military said “my biggest priority is attacking Russian civilians and their schools and homes” I will have to hand it to you. But I suspect you are leaving something out in your handwringing. mlmp08 has issued a correction as of 13:36 on Apr 14, 2023 |
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Apr 14, 2023 13:34
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"A slightly different approach to determining the center of gravity of Russian forces and the very essence of this war is proposed." The main feature of the military confrontation with the Russian Armed Forces is not even a significant difference in the number of forces and means of the parties in favor of the Russians, and not even significant spatial indicators of the strategic operation against Ukraine. The crucial disproportion in capabilities is decisive . Its most revealing embodiment is the difference in the ultimate reach of the means of destruction. If for the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation it is up to 2,000 km, taking into account the flight range of air-based cruise missiles [2] , then for the Armed Forces of Ukraine it is actually limited to 100 km by the flight range of the missiles and the depth of the location of the starting positions of the outdated OTRK [3] . Thus, since the beginning of the large-scale aggression, the means of defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have a range almost 20 times smaller than that of the enemy. Translated into the language of military practice, this means that the Armed Forces of Ukraine, in the best case, can strike with outdated means of attack only at the depth of the enemy's operational rear. At the same time, the enemy is capable of inflicting pinpoint strikes on targets in the entire depth of the country's territory with impunity. This should be considered as the center of gravity of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation from a military point of view. As long as this situation persists, this war can continue for years. How to do this? Of course, it is impossible to simultaneously deprive the enemy of such a significant advantage. Considering the number and availability of resources at the disposal of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the very possibility of eliminating it completely is doubtful. But it is quite possible to oppose the enemy's ability to act in a similar way and at a similar range. We are talking, of course, about the supply of weapons systems or certain types of ammunition with the appropriate range by Ukraine's partners to the Armed Forces. Not only and not so much certain names are meant, such as, for example, the MGM-140B ATACMS Block 1A missile for the Himars MLRS. A comprehensive approach to the re-equipment of artillery, missile forces, tactical aviation and the Naval Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and other components of their power must be applied. The discussion should be about building or building capabilities, not just about the amount of weapons and equipment for the brigades slated for re-equipment. Only in this case it is possible to discuss the influence on the real center of gravity of the Russian Federation in this war. It lies in its "remote" - in the understanding of most Russians - character. Thanks to this distance, the citizens of the Russian Federation do not so painfully perceive losses, failures, and most importantly - the cost of this war in all its meanings. A convincing example of the correctness of this approach in the current year is the successful efforts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to physically transfer hostilities to the temporarily occupied territory of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea. We are talking about a series of successful missile strikes on the enemy's Crimean air bases, first of all, on the Saka airfield [4] . The task of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for 2023 is to make these feelings sharper, more natural and quite tangible for the Russians and in other occupied territories, despite the significant distance from the goals. It is worth asking the question even more broadly and asking yourself: what is the source of confidence, readiness, and most importantly, the need for the leadership of the Russian Federation and Russian society to support the war against Ukraine and sincerely believe in the correctness of its conclusion? In addition to the well-known reasons for this, such as the desire for at least regional leadership, various kinds of "getting up from the knees" and frankly imperial encroachments, which are acceptable to the average Russian, there is also a purely practical one. It refers precisely to the principles of the use of military force of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. It is expressed in an aggressive style of war of destruction against a state which, given the level of equipment of its armed forces, will not be able to act adequately against Russian troops in response. Simply put, it is precisely the impunity that physical distance provides. This is the true center of gravity of the enemy. And we have no right to leave it without proper attention. The picture can radically change with appropriate planning and proper work with Ukraine's partner countries. A comprehensive, with a proper long-term vision, equipping and re-equipping the Armed Forces of Ukraine with weapon systems of the appropriate range should become the dream game-changer. Only if the balance is equalized in terms of the reach of the means of destruction and, thus, the specified center of gravity of the enemy is shaken, it is possible to talk about a turning point in the course of the war. It is obvious that the operational and strategic prospects for 2023 for Ukraine in the case of obtaining the appropriate funds will look completely different than today. The presence of even the very threat of the Ukrainian Armed Forces using means of destruction of the appropriate range will force the Russian Federation to consider the nature, course, and outcome of our confrontation in a different way. However, Ukraine can consider the acquisition of relevant weapons systems from partners only as a solution for the transition period. From the first days of the large-scale aggression of the Russian Federation, the Ukrainian side has faced the acute problem of restoring and establishing its own design and production of high-tech weapons samples. And the tactical and technical requirements for such samples should already include appropriate parameters, in particular, regarding the range of application. There is no doubt that Ukraine's national efforts in this direction open up unlimited opportunities for international military-technical cooperation with partner countries.
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Apr 14, 2023 13:36
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bring back the gbs poster
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crepeface posted:bring back the gbs poster Don't worry another one will sprout up next time another new unfortuanate counter narrative thing pops up to try and obfuscate ongoing discussion. They're just doing what they're required to.
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Apr 14, 2023 13:40
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Frosted Flake posted:"A slightly different approach to determining the center of gravity of Russian forces and the very essence of this war is proposed." A link would have been nice. But this just says Ukraine should pursue the ability to strike Russian military’s operational deep areas rather than only their forward lines. Which, no poo poo, you’re a retired artillery guy who works for a ministry of defense or some writer related to a ministry of defense or its industry. You know that it is a basic military requirement to be able to strike military C2, logistics, enemy long range fires, airbases rather than purely targeting front line troops. You championed that approach as part of Russia’s deep battle and operational art! That text you posted does provide that specific targeting of enemy armed forces context. Not nearly so alarming as you made out.
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Apr 14, 2023 13:42
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mlmp08 posted:What was the quote exactly? he's back and he's loving furious
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Apr 14, 2023 13:44
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mlmp08 posted:A link would have been nice. But this just says Ukraine should pursue the ability to strike Russian military’s operational deep areas rather than only their forward lines. Which, no poo poo, you’re a retired artillery guy who works for a ministry of defense or some writer related to a ministry of defense or its industry. You know that it is a basic military requirement to be able to strike military C2, logistics, enemy long range fires, airbases rather than purely targeting front line troops. You championed that approach as part of Russia’s deep battle and operational art! 
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Regarde Aduck posted:he's back and he's loving furious lol
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https://www-ukrinform-ua.translate....&_x_tr_pto=wapp Reuter's commentary: Ukraine's top general warns of Russian nuclear strike risk In rare public comments Ukraine's military chief warned on Wednesday of the threat of Russia using nuclear weapons in Ukraine, which would create the risk of a "limited" nuclear conflict with other powers. The war in Ukraine that began with Russia's invasion on Feb. 24 was likely to rage on into next year, General Valeriy Zaluzhnyi said in an article co-authored by lawmaker Mykhailo Zabrodskyi and published by state news agency Ukrinform. The article contained by far the Ukrainian commander-in-chief's most detailed assessment of the war to date, and gave starkly contrasting messages to those given by top Ukrainian officials. "There is a direct threat of the use, under certain circumstances, of tactical nuclear weapons by the Russian Armed forces," Zaluzhnyi said. "It is also impossible to completely rule out the possibility of the direct involvement of the world's leading countries in a 'limited' nuclear conflict, in which the prospect of World War Three is already directly visible," the article said. Moscow has in the past denied speculation of potential nuclear or chemical weapons use. TURNING TIDE Ukraine will need to match the strike range of Moscow's weapons in order to turn the tide of the war, Zaluzhnyi and Zabrodskyi wrote. "The only path to a cardinal change in the strategic situation is undoubtedly a series of several consecutive, or ideally simultaneous, counterstrikes by Ukraine's armed forces during the 2023 campaign," they said. The United States has supplied the Kyiv government with sophisticated long-range weapons on the condition Ukraine would not use them to hit targets inside Russia, according to U.S. officials. The article contained Ukraine's first acknowledgement that it was responsible for what the authors said were rocket strikes on Russian air bases in annexed Crimea, including one that damaged the Saky military base last month. Until now, Ukraine refused to publicly acknowledge its involvement, with a senior official speaking on condition of anonymity citing fears of Russian retaliation. "We are talking about a series of successful rocket strikes against the enemy's Crimean air bases, first of all, the Saky airfield," the article said, using language that did not clarify whether that meant unguided rockets or missiles. The Saky strike took 10 Russian warplanes "out of action" on Aug. 9, the article said. Ukraine is not publicly known to have weapon systems in service with a sufficient range to hit Saky, which lies at least 200 kilometres from the front lines.
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mlmp08 posted:A link would have been nice. But this just says Ukraine should pursue the ability to strike Russian military’s operational deep areas rather than only their forward lines. Which, no poo poo, you’re a retired artillery guy who works for a ministry of defense or some writer related to a ministry of defense or its industry. You know that it is a basic military requirement to be able to strike military C2, logistics, enemy long range fires, airbases rather than purely targeting front line troops. You championed that approach as part of Russia’s deep battle and operational art! I keep saying Ukraine should print out supportive social media posts and fire them off in lieu of any absent shells.
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crepeface posted:bring back the gbs poster The Gimp's sleepin'
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Apr 14, 2023 13:51
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Kwolok posted:When has Ukraine struck civilian targets? anybody wanna start a betting pool on what kind of embarrassing background this here jabroni has?
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Apr 14, 2023 13:52
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gradenko_2000 posted:And going after zlibrary Oops too bad about the Wayback Machine (god I hope they move the database outside the US) Frosted Flake posted:lol it ended up costing them more in the long run since now I'm expensing $400 pdfs Well its back and Library Genesis never really left...thank you President Putin Ardennes has issued a correction as of 13:55 on Apr 14, 2023 |
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It is pretty funny to justify or rationalize strikes on civil infrastructure and killing civilians because “operational art” and saying they should know they when they are beaten, but then get into a moral panic when the less capable army says “we should probably get better at shooting back.”
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lol having access to Ukrainian news is great because I am learning so much about our wunderwaffe The russian Army Adapted to HIMARS: Is There a Real Alternative to GMLRS Of course, it’s not that russia has learned to intercept high-precision missiles, everything is much more prosaic In an important interview with The Economist, which is highly recommended for reading, the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Valerii Zaluzhnyi made an important statement regarding HIMARS. Thanks to the strikes with GMLRS missiles at a range of up to 70-80 km deep into enemy positions, it has become a game changer on the battlefield and made it possible to counter the artillery offensive of the russian army. But the problem is that now they have adapted to it. "They moved to a distance that HIMARS can no longer reach. And we don't have any longer-range weapons," Valerii Zaluzhnyi said. Just two sentences, which provide a number of conclusions. First, the russian army was able to organize logistics from remote warehouses located deeper than 80 km from the front line. Of course, now it is much more difficult, requiring much more transport, creation of a wide-ranging network of field warehouses with a minimal supply of ammunition, but even under these conditions, the russian army continues to conduct artillery offensives. Secondly, the active use of HIMARS has become an important factor in the actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine against the russian army, not only due to the fact that warehouses with ammunition were burned, but also that command posts and communication centers were hit. It disrupted the enemy's communication system and troop management. Apparently, the enemy has moved them deep, and those responsible for the direct control of the troops on the front lines are effectively camouflaged. This does not mean that all warehouses and other objects has been moved or hidden. In particular, only yesterday, December 15, the ammunition warehouse in Irmino blew up. But it is becoming more and more difficult to go through them with high-precision fire. That is, HIMARS, which is the main element of "softening" the enemy's defense, acts less effectively than at the time of its appearance. But in any case, the time that the enemy needed to adapt to it was used as efficiently as possible by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Especially considering that HIMARS was used for tactical-operational level strikes, although it was created for much simpler tasks. In this situation, an alternative is needed for high-precision GMLRS missiles, which should be more long-range and no less massive. Of course, the first thing that comes to mind is the ATACMS. But besides it, there is a number of other long-range weapons. For example, the GMLRS-ER, which is an updated version of the standard ammunition for HIMARS, which actually has twice the range of use, up to 150-160 km. But the problem is that its first test launch took place only in October. (lists different expensive MIC boondoggles that Ukraine begged for but is now indifferent to) Therefore, air-launched cruise missiles along with ATACMS are a completely logical alternative. First of all, the already mentioned SLAM-ER, or even more powerful AGM-158 JASSM or the European Storm Shadow, also known as SCALP. mlmp08 posted:It is pretty funny to justify or rationalize strikes on civil infrastructure and killing civilians because “operational art” and saying they should know they when they are beaten, but then get into a moral panic when the less capable army says “we should probably get better at shooting back.” I'm not panicking, I am clearly spelling out a sequence of events where the head of Ukraine's government and military are each saying that their goal is to do something which leaks indicate the US fears will directly draw China into the war, and Ukrainian commentary indicates they hope draws NATO in to save their rear end.
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i admire the dedication and persistence to try and bring this thread in line with the WaPo narrative
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mlmp08 posted:A link would have been nice. But this just says Ukraine should pursue the ability to strike Russian military’s operational deep areas rather than only their forward lines. Which, no poo poo, you’re a retired artillery guy who works for a ministry of defense or some writer related to a ministry of defense or its industry. You know that it is a basic military requirement to be able to strike military C2, logistics, enemy long range fires, airbases rather than purely targeting front line troops. You championed that approach as part of Russia’s deep battle and operational art! wb
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Regarde Aduck posted:i admire the dedication and persistence to try and bring this thread in line with the WaPo narrative My IRL name is Washington B. Poster
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mlmp08 posted:It is pretty funny to justify or rationalize strikes on civil infrastructure and killing civilians because “operational art” and saying they should know they when they are beaten, but then get into a moral panic when the less capable army says “we should probably get better at shooting back.” 
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mlmp08 posted:What was the quote exactly? 
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I think the thing FF is pointing towards is that Ukraine believes its only avenue for not losing the war is to provoke Russian escalation leading to NATO involvement by using long range weapons to hit Russian infrastructure, thus turning a small-ish regional proxy war into a full blown global war. The intent is not to bolster their long range capabilities to achieve tangible limited military goals like blowing up ammo dumps or tank repair factories, the goal is to start WW3 and hope the Russians lose because thats all the ideas they have left.
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Apr 14, 2023 14:04
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yellowcar posted:also it's very funny that despite the fact that the US is secretly spying on their proxies in ukraine, they still don't know what the hell is going with them lol after havana syndrome no one should expect any competence or in-house honesty from american spies Palladium has issued a correction as of 14:09 on Apr 14, 2023 |
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im skipping like 1000 pages to ask: hows the war going?
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Nix Panicus posted:I think the thing FF is pointing towards is that Ukraine believes its only avenue for not losing the war is to provoke Russian escalation leading to NATO involvement by using long range weapons to hit Russian infrastructure, thus turning a small-ish regional proxy war into a full blown global war. e: Moon Of Alabama thinks the shift in tone and lack of images of new leaks since the MSM picked up the story suggest the White House and Pentagon are now feeding stories to reporters laundered through being attributed to that airman https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/04/more-doubts-about-the-leaked-briefing-slides/comments/page/4/
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fart simpson posted:im skipping like 1000 pages to ask: hows the war going? The war's going great, from the standpoint of death.
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fart simpson posted:im skipping like 1000 pages to ask: hows the war going? very boring entrenchement opening holes in privates
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fart simpson posted:are we winning? nope
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