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I used to love and evangelise about Blood Bowl, but a few factors conspired to make me sour on it. Most notably the 2020 rules, which I think are extremely poo poo and take the game and it's meta in the wrong direction.
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Blood bowl reminds me a lot of playing poker. In that there are people who bounce off poker, hard, because of the variance. If you're really good at poker you'll still lose, frequently, because your opponent sucked out on a river card or whatever. But in the long run over thousands of hands, the better player will win the money. And while the rules of poker are fairly straightforward at first glance, there's a lot of depth to the game that is revealed over time with experience. Poker also benefits from being played with nice people and can be ruined by one huge rear end in a top hat at the table. It also seems to attract people who cling to superstition and logical fallacies, but people who maintain perspective and understand the basics of statistics and random chances can excel.
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:I guess we dont really talk about the rumors much here but there have been rumors about the new version of epic. Namely that it's 30k and can be safely ignored. Oh well. Old World 2023 tho I'm kinda hype, but I like 30K and I like Epic: Armageddon. Not to mention I have a couple of Adeptus Titanicus minis because I think they're cool.
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Leperflesh posted:
I guess my only comment is I can't name a non-solo tabletop this also applies to. All tabletop games benefit from having cool dudes to play with and all tabletop games suck if your opponent is a shithead.
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Squibsy posted:I used to love and evangelise about Blood Bowl, but a few factors conspired to make me sour on it. Most notably the 2020 rules, which I think are extremely poo poo and take the game and it's meta in the wrong direction. Almost everyone I've talked to that hates the 2020 ruleset are mainly upset that all their elves can't pass on a 2+ anymore. Are you in that camp?
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:st That’s a bit more hostile of a response than I expected, but broadly: it’s a game that thrives on getting a cohesive group together who are willing to play a season’s worth of games, and a lot of the enjoyment can come from having a good group of people. Obviously a lovely group can make every game bad, but having a mismatched group or getting zero help when you’re dropped in the deep end in a Blood Bowl league will have a greater effect on the enjoyment people get out of it than in one-off games.
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Floppychop posted:Almost everyone I've talked to that hates the 2020 ruleset are mainly upset that all their elves can't pass on a 2+ anymore. Are you in that camp? Nah, that's not such a big deal. The main thing I dislike is the shift in the meta towards high armour teams (already very good) because of increased attrition in the casualty table. I do dislike some of the passing rules in that the Wildly Inaccurate result creates some very wonky outcomes, and in particular I rankle at the fact GW were hyping up the passing rules as a big change to make the game more dynamic and exciting, but did a whole lot of stuff to make it happen less. I also think all the player advancement stuff is just barely warmed-up shite. The addition of random skills as an option means they filled the skill tables with an absolute pile of further bullshit, useless skills in order to have a round number that could be randomised with a dice roll. The game was already full of trap skill choices and they just stuffed a load more in.
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The 3D printing company cancelled my epic elder order and the eBay storm serpent “was no longer available”. Sigh. Thank you for the tip on Vanguard for SM. I’m aiming for minigeddon sized games on a 90x90cm table really.
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Hedningen posted:That’s a bit more hostile of a response than I expected, but broadly: it’s a game that thrives on getting a cohesive group together who are willing to play a season’s worth of games, and a lot of the enjoyment can come from having a good group of people. Obviously a lovely group can make every game bad, but having a mismatched group or getting zero help when you’re dropped in the deep end in a Blood Bowl league will have a greater effect on the enjoyment people get out of it than in one-off games. running a league is what made BB's flaws become crystal clear to me, personally. it was frustrating to see the ways it was making people miserable, and frustrating to need to compensate for the burnout.
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Apr 14, 2023 20:21
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GW has never written good campaign/league/advancement rules for any of their systems, so they pushed the burden of fixing it on their players and it worked. Ya'll should be calling them up asking for paychecks for doing the designer's work for them.
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Floppychop posted:Almost everyone I've talked to that hates the 2020 ruleset are mainly upset that all their elves can't pass on a 2+ anymore. Are you in that camp? I'm annoyed that I can't use my Human Catchers as de facto Throwers but also the all-grind, all the time meta is tiresome.
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Me stuck painting my knockoff models because GW still hasn't given my local FLGS the drat Corsair Voidscarred box. It's near approaching a whole month. At least I can practice painting minis for first time with these off brand models.
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Southern Heel posted:The 3D printing company cancelled my epic elder order and the eBay storm serpent “was no longer available”. Sigh. I really dislike Ebay, but yeah, sometimes you have to. Storm Serpent will be worth it when you find one. Portal deployment gives you so many options. 90x90 is doable, but I really like having the sides be 120, a lot of units can easily march 90cms in a single turn. It should still work, you don't tend to march much in minigeddon. You'll need to really watch your blitz turn 3. I really love Vanguard, great customer service, the sculpts are amazing too. The metal is good, much much better than resin. He does have some resin pieces too, they tend to be rather expensive. He does have an Eldar Super-heavy that you can magnetize to be switchable between each type. Their entire range is great, but does have some holes hear and there. I use a mix of old GW stuff and Vanguard stuff for my Eldar. He's still expanding the Eldar range, he's been adding more infantry choices lately. I don't care for his Eldar vehicles though, I sourced mine from one big lot of old blisters on Ebay. It wasn't cheap, but it was better than if I bought those blisters one at a time. If I bought them again I would get printed ones I think, much more affordable I'd hope. What are you looking to buy for your army? I always love to list build and see what people are using, especially for minigeddon. Incase you don't use it, armyforge is a great list building tool. http://adam77.github.io/snapfire/war/indexNETEA.html Thirsty Dog posted:Ah last I checked minigeddon still wanted the board to be 4ft in one dimension but I'm in the "London flat" genre of gamers so might be overestimating how much that matters to everyone else. I play on a 4x3 table for minigeddon, fighting across the 4 ft towards each other, no corner deployment. Sorry if my post was misleading. That seems to be the standard everywhere for minigeddon. Virtual Russian fucked around with this message at 00:14 on Apr 15, 2023 |
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Krieg lasguns can make pretty good shotguns: Voidmaster
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Vulpes Vulpes posted:Krieg lasguns can make pretty good shotguns: This guy slaps, nice work! For the RPG or something?
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Vulpes Vulpes posted:Krieg lasguns can make pretty good shotguns: Very nice, indeed! Looks great
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Genghis Cohen posted:This guy slaps, nice work! For the RPG or something? Nah, for my all-kitbash Rogue Trader kill team.
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wow the new art for Kill Team Gallowfall is really rad lol:-
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Vulpes Vulpes posted:Krieg lasguns can make pretty good shotguns: This guy rules- I’d probably cut out the flared end of the barrel and drill it, but it’s great the way it is too
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Hedningen posted:That’s a bit more hostile of a response than I expected, but broadly: it’s a game that thrives on getting a cohesive group together who are willing to play a season’s worth of games, and a lot of the enjoyment can come from having a good group of people. Obviously a lovely group can make every game bad, but having a mismatched group or getting zero help when you’re dropped in the deep end in a Blood Bowl league will have a greater effect on the enjoyment people get out of it than in one-off games. dming u
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Al-Saqr posted:wow the new art for Kill Team Gallowfall is really rad lol:- Aggressively booty-bumping space beastmen is the kind of radicalness that drew me to the hobby. This is okay, even though I think the Leagues don't look especially good.
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Won a league game of Blood Bowl today with my goblins, thanks in part to the most consistently good chainsaw I’ve ever had - no kickback, managed to MNG their thrower on Turn 1, and lasted the entire half despite getting dropped a couple of times. Rough game for all involved, and ending with only one dead goblin is a success, as there were but two elves on the pitch at the end of the game. I credit all success to my team’s mascot, the Kosmogrot.   Still on a cork platform to finish up, but a helpful little git despite lacking paint so far.
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Southern Heel posted:The 3D printing company cancelled my epic elder order and the eBay storm serpent “was no longer available”. Sigh. Are you in the US? PM me, I've had a drink and I'm going to bed shortly but I might have a spare Epic storm serpent I can send ya. I've got piles of epic eldar lying around. e. no wait I have wave serpents not storm serpents lol sorry there's exactly one storm serpent on ebay, it's new in package and it's $75 geez louise Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 06:35 on Apr 16, 2023 |
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That is Ebay for you. The vanguard proxy looks great and will cost much less. Still, every once in a while I just really want to get my hands on the original, gotta pay the ebay tax for those.
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well it just contrasts with a ton of other epic eldar stuff on ebay that is cheaper, it looks like storm serpents in particular are rare for some reason i probably do have one, but I have piles of wave serpents and my brain tricked me
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Thank you but I’m in the uk. The random Etsy 3D printer contacted me direct to suggest cutting out the middleman and the prices are way cheaper and the range much larger: For a cross compatible Epic Eldar minigeddon list that’ll cost about €35 plus shipping: quote:Iyanden Eldar NetEpic Armageddon - 1025pts OR: quote:Iyanden NetEpic Gold - 1000pts I would probably get both jet bikes, warp spiders, a squadron of void spinners and maybe some wave serpents or falcons go give a tiny bit of flexibility. I’m taking a small step back while I’m on holiday atm to make sure I’m actually committing to this rather than just a complete whim… I’m not expecting my games to have the kind of epic strategic scope that the Perry twins can achieve on their 8 x 6 table with thousands of miniatures. I’m after a game that can be completed in a couple of hours max on a 90cm square table that isn’t going to play out exactly the same every time. I have no interest in playing this with anyone else except my pet opponent, for whom I will have to supply an opposing force and guide through rules regardless. With that in mind does what I’ve suggested above meet those broad requirements? I’ve basically picked what I’d like to look at. No doubt I will do exactly the same for an opposing force-probably orks? I believe there is a similar parity between netepic Armageddon and netepic gold. It is something like 16 bases of boys, eight bases of nobs, eight bases of goblins, three stompers, four tanks. Southern Heel fucked around with this message at 08:50 on Apr 16, 2023 |
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Went to a kill team tournament yesterday. 1.5 hour drive to a 20 man regional and I ended up going 2-2 and 13th overall even though I haven't played in 6 mo and it was the second time I've played Gellerpox in kill team because I only picked them as I put an extensive amount of effort in painting them so I figured I could go for the best painted category. I learned I don't like these kinds of events for a the laundry list of reasons which mostly stem not liking any of the people who play these games. A lot of that is likely from the area (ocala-gainesville, florida) as you'll get some hot takes like in reference to my opinion that I would never work for a defense contractor my first opponent said "oh I don't care what they do so long as they pay me well" or like having the reading ability of a middle schooler when it came to checking an edge case in a rulebook. I'm also incredibly salty that the person who won "best hobby" was a dude in a gamer jersey from the club that plays at the store and had models which could be graciously called battle ready but had a badly painted display tray with an absurdly out of scale eldar webway gate on it. The experience as a whole was so loving trash that I'm not even going to bother painting anything new for a tabletop game and just paint individual models for fun instead of lying to myself that I'll actually play a game again for a long time. Either way here's some pictures I took of my gellerpox   
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I printed this stupid big battlefleet gothic rapier. (One of the smallest ships for the Imperial Navy)
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IncredibleIgloo posted:I printed this stupid big battlefleet gothic rapier. (One of the smallest ships for the Imperial Navy) Oh boy, I would love to have a nearly to scale orbital support ship in Epic (it probably still is nowhere near big enough, but it still is impressively big). That thing rules dude, can't wait to see it painted.
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Virtual Russian posted:Oh boy, I would love to have a nearly to scale orbital support ship in Epic (it probably still is nowhere near big enough, but it still is impressively big). That thing rules dude, can't wait to see it painted. I have to figure out a good color scheme for it that won't drive me crazy. BFG at regular scale does well with mostly dry brushing. Not sure this will.
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IncredibleIgloo posted:I printed this stupid big battlefleet gothic rapier. (One of the smallest ships for the Imperial Navy)
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nnnotime posted:Excellent! How much would it cost in materials and time to print out an average Battleship of similar scale? Just curious. Gosh, this one was pretty easy to print and I think I was able to do it on a plate and a half, or maybe just one plate on my Saturn 2. So you could run this off in a weekend and about 300-400g of resin probably. Just guessing for a battleship would probably be 6 print sessions of a full plate, at about 10-12 hours each, and 3kg of resin. Just rough guesses. This one model was made as a special display piece by Soulforge Studios, and to my knowledge they have not done any bigger ships in display scale. They have lots of ships and it would be possible to scale them up for printing, but I don't know if they have the level of detail.
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Spanish Manlove posted:Went to a kill team tournament yesterday. 1.5 hour drive to a 20 man regional and I ended up going 2-2 and 13th overall even though I haven't played in 6 mo and it was the second time I've played Gellerpox in kill team because I only picked them as I put an extensive amount of effort in painting them so I figured I could go for the best painted category. I learned I don't like these kinds of events for a the laundry list of reasons which mostly stem not liking any of the people who play these games. A lot of that is likely from the area (ocala-gainesville, florida) as you'll get some hot takes like in reference to my opinion that I would never work for a defense contractor my first opponent said "oh I don't care what they do so long as they pay me well" or like having the reading ability of a middle schooler when it came to checking an edge case in a rulebook. I'm also incredibly salty that the person who won "best hobby" was a dude in a gamer jersey from the club that plays at the store and had models which could be graciously called battle ready but had a badly painted display tray with an absurdly out of scale eldar webway gate on it. The experience as a whole was so loving trash that I'm not even going to bother painting anything new for a tabletop game and just paint individual models for fun instead of lying to myself that I'll actually play a game again for a long time. Oh man, I'm in Orlando and I saw that tournament coming up. It was already sold out and I wouldn't have had the time anyways; sorry to hear it sucked. I wish there was more action in the area, not even the Warhammer store in Winter Park seems to have a dedicated Kill Team night or organization.
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The tournament itself was run extremely well and the guys who run that shop are extremely nice. The terrain was set up nicely and they had printouts of the erata and terrain rules at each table. It all ran on schedule and there were plenty of people to settle rules or LOS disputes. It was a lot of other things like the collusion on the hobby award that just irked me. I can send a PM of what won to really drive the point home on that. I'd go to their weekly, non competitive events again as those were really fun, but im not doing a 10h event again.
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