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King Hong Kong posted:I’m not guessing it’s an annoying aesthetic choice but I’m not ruling out the possibility that the sets look like total garbage when properly lit or something. Well, they already look like total garbage so… even worse. I feel like there's a disconnect between audiences and filmmakers because I totally agree this poo poo is too dark and a lot of modern film and tv is too dark but I've listened to so many commentaries where the director is just gushing over a barely visible scene about how many beautiful shadows there are and how cinematic it looks and it's really meant to look like that and not being able to see what's going on is intentional. I'm not sure why seeing actors faces isn't a bigger priority in filmmaking but it doesn't seem to be. Specifically in Picard, I've seen some promo images of the sets with the lights on an they look good and not cheap. Although shiny sets are probably a pain to block and shoot quickly with the lights on so it could be a way to shoot faster. Also, it does seem like some of the sets we got aren't complete sets so having the light low is maybe an attempt at getting by with skimpy sets. My first guess was it was to hide how old everyone was but a lot of the low lighting has been very unflattering on the actor's faces so I don't think it's that.
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Penitent posted:If I understand correctly the borg's 35 year master plan was to wait for changeling's captured by starfleet to escape so they could ally with them to infiltrate starfleet so that they could use the transporters to change everyone's DNA so that 20 year old kids could be assimilated over wifi to take over all of the starfleet ships... and the plan all hinged on starfleet putting all of their ships together on the same day at the same time, networking them all together, and for Picard to have a kid... No that couldn't have been the plan. You don't build a Locutus and plan for your invasion to fail and Locutus to be rescued, and then to be successfully de-borged (something which had never happened before) all without anyone discovering the genetic alterations, so he is fully re-integrated into society and goes on to father children. Nobody would go into the Locutus fight with that as their plan, never mind the stuff with the changelings because changelings and borg hadn't even met yet. The only thing that makes sense is that borg queen was horny for Picard and wanted to make borg babies with him. That's why in 30 years she never tried again to assimilate another guy's balls. They had the technology, they could have made thousands of kids like Jack by now, but she was waiting for her twin flame to come back to her. The thing with changelings and stealing the corpse was fairly new. Maybe there was a chance they could revive the corpse through assimilation, or at least drain the jizz from his frozen balls, but it didn't work. Somehow they found out about Jack and slapped this plan together. It's not a 35 year plan, it's probably not even a 35 month plan. Send the borg queen to horny jail.
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Apr 15, 2023 05:48
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So I have caught up on this season. My reaction is HUH? Parts of it were good. The whole changeling arch was compelling. They WOULD have reason to seek revenge on Starfleet?! What a wonderful idea for a villian! Vadic was FUN, she could've been driven a season worth of revenge! Raffi was around but I don't know why. Past those first irrelevant episodes, she added nothing. Why did she survive over Rios or Jurati or...space Legolas I forget his name? And then we get the ENT-D bridge. That was fun but....why?? Old poo poo is best poo poo is the DUMBEST fuckin idea. We retire old systems for a reason.
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Apr 15, 2023 06:00
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Nonsensical overarching plot and nostalgia aside, my ultimate issue with Picard S3 is the underlying right wing reactionary one-two punch of "our heroes are rugged individualists who have the prerogative to defy their government because it's inept, compromised and/or also did a genocide/unethical experimentation" and "the youth have had their brains infected and taken over by a cyber communist mind virus" that underlies the season. It doesn't align with what I look for, in terms of message, in a Star Trek show. Some of the memberberries in this season have been fun though, and the VFX and sets have mostly been a step up from season 2. That's my faint praise for the season and I can kind of understand the viewers who are really into the nostalgia and who don't care/notice the conservative shitheel ideology undergirding the whole thing. edit: oh and the mystery box writing, that can gently caress off too.
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Apr 15, 2023 06:15
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The last episode took a nosedive but it’s still not as bad as when Soong ran over Picard with his tesla.
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Apr 15, 2023 06:23
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Sardikar posted:I am enjoying this season and after looking up what a higher power, namely rotten tomatoes ways I wonder why goons are so critical of it other than the fact they are goons who are the worst. Most critic reviews for tv shows are based on screeners of the first few episodes of a season. A website or magazine will print their review based on only those episodes without revising it after the season is finished. The first episodes of each season have been promising or intriguing enough to make it seem like the story could go somewhere good, but it always plummets in quality after the half-way point. This season took longer to get there, and just browsing the audience reviews on rotten tomatoes, it looks like a lot of people were happy with a TNG reunion regardless of anything else.
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Apr 15, 2023 06:28
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Craig Mazin and Terry M should have chud babies.
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Bayham Badger posted:Nonsensical overarching plot and nostalgia aside, my ultimate issue with Picard S3 is the underlying right wing reactionary one-two punch of "our heroes are rugged individualists who have the prerogative to defy their government because it's inept, compromised and/or also did a genocide/unethical experimentation" and "the youth have had their brains infected and taken over by a cyber communist mind virus" that underlies the season. It doesn't align with what I look for, in terms of message, in a Star Trek show. Yes, this is the thing. This is the thing I don't like. Pops Mgee posted:when Soong ran over Picard with his tesla. I thought that scene was really funny but they really should have gone with the classic Data gimmick where someone tried to gently caress up Data but they can't because he's an android. Picard should have stopped the car with his android strength and we get a slow mo scene of the car being crushed and Soong flying through the windshield. They should have had a scene where cops spray Picard with bullets and he just shakes them off and then he grabs one of their riffles and bends the barrel in half.
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Apr 15, 2023 06:37
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apatheticman posted:Craig Mazin and Terry M should have chud babies. What's Mazin done that's chuddy? I thought the whole point of a show like Chernobyl was to show just how loving destructive the chuddy death cult view of the world can be? Also the guy roomed with Ted Cruz in university and was on record as saying he loving hates him and thinks he's the stupidest son of a bitch walking this earth and that, again, Chernobyl was meant to show the dangers of what happens when men like Ted Cruz wield power. Did he also start sucking off a bunch of nerd chuds to get them to like The Last of Us like Matalas did to Robert Meyer Burnett and crew to get them to like Picard?
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Apr 15, 2023 06:39
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nine-gear crow posted:What's Mazin done that's chuddy? I thought the whole point of a show like Chernobyl was to show just how loving destructive the chuddy death cult view of the world can be? Also the guy roomed with Ted Cruz in university and was on record as saying he loving hates him and thinks he's the stupidest son of a bitch walking this earth and that, again, Chernobyl was meant to show the dangers of what happens when men like Ted Cruz wield power. He was a scab during the writer strike. Let his kid do a lovely cover that completely ruined the end of an episode. Had a moment that was like IZNT THAT SOCIALIZM in his tv show. There is a bunch more if you watch TLOU tv through that lens. Its dumb as poo poo. apatheticman fucked around with this message at 07:01 on Apr 15, 2023 |
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https://twitter.com/mikemcmahantm/status/1646979438125666304?s=46&t=uiUehxbkNdNcN0PmfZ4Vaw
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Apr 15, 2023 07:00
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apatheticman posted:\ You may need welding gloves for some blazing hot takes, there.
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Apr 15, 2023 07:07
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I'm actually just starting Lower Decks, in part because everyone seems to love it, and I need something to palate cleanse away Picard.
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Apr 15, 2023 07:10
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Detective No. 27 posted:https://twitter.com/mikemcmahantm/status/1646979438125666304?s=46&t=uiUehxbkNdNcN0PmfZ4Vaw I legitimately had to check the Hallmark website to see that this wasn't a comedy writer shitposting. It is not. This is real.
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Apr 15, 2023 07:12
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https://twitter.com/GoodAaron/status/1647071886453657601 Aaron Waltke swooping in to reassure fans that Picard's bullshit has no bearing on the plot or characters of his show and they're all safe from Terry's woke mind virus stupidity. E: No, wait, if they're over 25 that means they're immune from the woke mind virus and are about to be murdered by all the youths. Great, so I guess Dal, Rok, Zero and Jankom are dead now  Not Murf though. Little bastard's invincible. nine-gear crow fucked around with this message at 07:28 on Apr 15, 2023 |
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Apr 15, 2023 07:24
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apatheticman posted:Had a moment that was like IZNT THAT SOCIALIZM in his tv show. It felt like an endorsement of it though, not a negative
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Apr 15, 2023 08:39
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Penitent posted:That would have been a somewhat better conclusion to Shaw's arc but it was apparently very important to Terry that only the TNG cast get on the shuttle so we could switch gears to nostalgia wanking over the Enterprise D in the next scene. I forgot that the Enterprise-D is a tiny tugboat of a ship that can only hold eight people, so they left Raffi and Seven behind for some reason I stead of just putting them "elsewhere" during the bridge scene. God, they actually ran off to fight the Borg's last effort to enslave Earth and didn't bother to bring 7of9. Worse still, AFAIK the Titan could meet the same death by firing squad as the Excelsior and the Borg could just kill them right now while Picard jokes about carpets. Edit: CaptainSkinny posted:That might be the season's version of " I have a black friend." Just in this case it's, we can't be anti-woke we had a dead name plotline. I think part of the reason sci-fi reactionaries like this season is all the focus on bloodline. They love that in Star Wars, too. Case in point: Geordi spent a bunch of TNG standing in Engineering but also sometimes sitting at helm, so of course he has one daughter that's an engineer and one as a pilot. Shouldn't surprise you that many of these people likely think the UK would descend into chaos if the royal family disappeared. Star Trek Picard: Infinite Dick-versity in Infinite Cum-binations Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 09:43 on Apr 15, 2023 |
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Bayham Badger posted:Nonsensical overarching plot and nostalgia aside, my ultimate issue with Picard S3 is the underlying right wing reactionary one-two punch of "our heroes are rugged individualists who have the prerogative to defy their government because it's inept, compromised and/or also did a genocide/unethical experimentation" and "the youth have had their brains infected and taken over by a cyber communist mind virus" that underlies the season. It doesn't align with what I look for, in terms of message, in a Star Trek show. 
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apatheticman posted:He was a scab during the writer strike. What was the lovely cover?
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The reason I have been a little snark snark about Picard is because every bit of praise I have read about it is adjectives and "all the feels" and "well, you see..." and then handwaves of criticism for naysayers being cynical meanies. Nah, I like aspirational Star Trek, and yes, that positive message needs a negative to resist and overcome, but Picard has not been it. And the worst of it is that the show has constantly dangled the proof that it has the capacity to be it, then tucks it away in a mystery box and kills a b-level beloved character. Star Trek was never the cool kid. Once you try to make it the cool kid, you kill what made it resonate with so many bullied, different and optimistic kids. Yes, it was nice that I felt the warm glow of the old crew back on the bridge of the Enterprise D, but then I remember that that warmth came from burning down a lot of what made that nostalgia so worthwhile.
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Nice Tuckpointing! posted:Star Trek was never the cool kid. Once you try to make it the cool kid, you kill what made it resonate with so many bullied, different and optimistic kids. Yes, it was nice that I felt the warm glow of the old crew back on the bridge of the Enterprise D, but then I remember that that warmth came from burning down a lot of what made that nostalgia so worthwhile. I'm totally down for dark Star Trek. I'm that guy who went to Into Darkness on the very first day. I'm that guy that said First Contact was really awesome except for the part that had something to do with not meeting your heroes. The problem is that darkness needs either a slight touch of the unknown or a moral. In both versions of the Khan movies the core moral is that Starfleet made a battleship that can eat the rest of the fleet for lunch, and that becomes regrettable once someone points it back at them. This is just a whole bunch of poorly paced poo poo happening while characters sometimes say they're getting revenge on something or someone.
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Apr 15, 2023 09:56
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Trixie Hardcore posted:You are allowed to like whatever you like but it's rude and childish to look at people making effortposts clearly explaining the issues they have with the plotting/storytelling/dialogue/directing/etc of the show ignore all that and decide it's because they must just be the worst people. I was being facetious, I am Australian and we tend to use insults as a term of endearment and way of expressing trust and respect which was my intention. Thanks for people’s replies, it’s may be that while I grew up watching TNG and the original series I don’t put it on the same pedestal other people in this thread might. That said I recently watched the TNG episode The Measure of a Man and yes compared to previous shows Picard could do much better. Let’s this thread a crucible that leaves only truth…you loving solids. 😜
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Nice Tuckpointing! posted:The reason I have been a little snark snark about Picard is because every bit of praise I have read about it is adjectives and "all the feels" and "well, you see..." and then handwaves of criticism for naysayers being cynical meanies. This is a great point. Star Trek was chasing after nerds. TNG treated STEM careers with incredible reverence and the show regularly introduced characters that were writing papers in their fields of study or expertise. Academia was considered prestigious and reading scientific publications was not uncommon. We were shown characters that regularly used their spare time to engage in music, theater, and the arts. One of my most prized Star Trek possessions is this Star Trek TNG flavored book that served as an intro to computer hardware design from the early 90's https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Trek_The_Next_Generation:_20th_Century_Computers_and_How_They_Worked. This is what I want Star Trek to be again!
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Apr 15, 2023 11:07
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The Enterprise beams repaired DNA into Jack waking him from his fugue. He suddenly rips off the assimilation apparatus and points his phaser at the queen. "My DNA test results just came back. Turns out I'm %100 that Jean Luc Picard. He fires a continuous beam into her chest. The Queen disintegrates and says her last words in anguish "I'd like to have known... THAT Jean Luc Picard"
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Apr 15, 2023 11:09
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Nothing mattered in the entire season up until that last episode. Yeah info got dumped and the crew were assembled, but that's just stuff happening. The core stakes were 'don't let the big bad get Jack' and then Jack just goes and does the One Thing We Didn't Want To Happen. If you remove Vadic from the story then nothing changes.
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Alchenar posted:Nothing mattered in the entire season up until that last episode. Yeah info got dumped and the crew were assembled, but that's just stuff happening. The core stakes were 'don't let the big bad get Jack' and then Jack just goes and does the One Thing We Didn't Want To Happen. If you remove Vadic from the story then nothing changes. Vadic kidnapped the worst therapist in history and got her in proximity to Jack
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Apr 15, 2023 11:22
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Goddam Troi is bad at her job
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Trying posted:Goddam Troi is bad at her job The one time she started making progress with a client, he went and made a renfaire wank fantasy holo program about her. So, she's cautious.
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Trying posted:Goddam Troi is bad at her job Right? They already know the guy can take possession of crew at will, so any attempt to apprehend him was going to end in disaster. Had she just debated the moral implications and the last 20 odd years of his life standing as testament to the fact that he's not acting like a Borg, then the Borg would have lost their window of opportunity to coup the Federation.
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nine-gear crow posted:The man IS a giant rear end Twitter troll. It would be the Mt. Everest of comedy if he intentionally made the dumbest climax in Star Trek history specifically to gently caress with everyone and then just erased all three seasons of his TV show from canon. Because Season 2 said Season 1 never happened, the start of Season 3 said Season 2 never happened, it WOULD be fitting if the end of the show just said "Actually, none of this even happened." Which means no one closes the rift from season 2 and everyone in the galaxy dies.
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Lister posted:The hack solution to this is usually just "kill the leader" and then everybody else under them surrenders or is cured if it's mind control. No it's going to be "Remember who you are Jack!" One of my least favorite tropes.
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So stupid thought, but I can't help but wonder if Shelby on the Enterprise F was originally supposed to be Janeway but they couldn't get killing off Janeway signed off.
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Are they killing off the crews though? If its borg, they would want to assimilate, and as they can't use the transporter trick to infect the boomers, stunning and injecting them with nanites would be the next best thing. As you are wiping out 3/4 or more of your crew.
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Eighties ZomCom posted:So stupid thought, but I can't help but wonder if Shelby on the Enterprise F was originally supposed to be Janeway but they couldn't get killing off Janeway signed off. I could see it. It would also explain Riker's snark a bit more. Maybe. Like, in a rival TV show kinda way. I dunno. Also, I rewatched the final minutes of Best of Both Worlds Part 2 yesterday, and Shelby literally says to Riker, "I hope I have the fortune of serving with you again, sir." And Riker smiles. But Matalas probably has a tweet locked and loaded that explains the hate. "Well, you see, in 2395, the Titan ..."
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happyhippy posted:Are they killing off the crews though? We see them shooting other crewmembers with real phaser bullets.
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Nice Tuckpointing! posted:I could see it. It would also explain Riker's snark a bit more. Maybe. Like, in a rival TV show kinda way. I dunno. *matalas reading the synopsis of best of both words* it says they're rivals
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Typical Pubbie posted:We see them shooting other crewmembers with real phaser bullets. Picard yells to set them on stun, I think. But it also points out that the plan is kinda bad if the new organic Borg can't adapt to threats. Like, why would all the over-25s not just stun/vaporise/sleep gas them?
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Trixie Hardcore posted:I feel like there's a disconnect between audiences and filmmakers because I totally agree this poo poo is too dark and a lot of modern film and tv is too dark but I've listened to so many commentaries where the director is just gushing over a barely visible scene about how many beautiful shadows there are and how cinematic it looks and it's really meant to look like that and not being able to see what's going on is intentional. I'm not sure why seeing actors faces isn't a bigger priority in filmmaking but it doesn't seem to be. I think for Star Trek in particular, Voyager had the cool effect of turning down the lights to go to red alert and amp up the drama, then someone decided to just AMP UP THE DRAMA ALWAYS and just never turn up the lights. I think that’s what’s missing from modern trek, those mundane moments where the lights should be up.
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