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You can ask to see your opponents sheets before the game right? I wasn't familiar with a vehicle and the guy i was playing just told me the stats and got really salty when I asked to actually see the sheet.
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Saint Celestine posted:You can ask to see your opponents sheets before the game right? I wasn't familiar with a vehicle and the guy i was playing just told me the stats and got really salty when I asked to actually see the sheet. iirc (maybe there's some unique case i don't know about) everything in BT is open information
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Apr 17, 2023 03:30
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I mean, cheating at a TT miniatures game is so laughably low-stakes that he probably was. Just track his damage on your own notepad if you want to really tweak him.
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Apr 17, 2023 03:43
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Mode 7 posted:Not really experienced with vehicles in BT as I've only played with the BMM and haven't dipped my toes into AS or TW rulesets yet - thoughts on which Battlefield Support packs I should prioritise grabbing to have some most common / most generic vehicle options? IMO the pack with the 2 Manticores and missile carriers, and the pack with the Behemoth and Ontos give you some really good choices. hot cocoa on the couch posted:iirc (maybe there's some unique case i don't know about) everything in BT is open information Correct, the game has no hidden information unless you use a scenario or special rules that add such things.
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Apr 17, 2023 03:45
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Saint Celestine posted:You can ask to see your opponents sheets before the game right? I wasn't familiar with a vehicle and the guy i was playing just told me the stats and got really salty when I asked to actually see the sheet. I hope you beat him, because his attitude sucks
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Apr 17, 2023 03:52
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Yeah the hidden info and fog of war/etc rules are all advanced rules everyone's supposed to agree on before play. It's possible that people just assume everyone is going to be down for playing with everything in the Tactical Ops advanced rules active locally as a meta-thing maybe?
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Apr 17, 2023 03:52
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A specific citation is on A Game of Armored Cokmbat Rulebook page 4: "Open Information: Unless a scenario says otherwise, record sheets are always open information that your opponent can review at any time."
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Apr 17, 2023 03:55
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Saint Celestine posted:You can ask to see your opponents sheets before the game right? I wasn't familiar with a vehicle and the guy i was playing just told me the stats and got really salty when I asked to actually see the sheet.
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Apr 17, 2023 04:19
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Arquinsiel posted:Don't play with that guy again. He doesn't deserve stompy robot fun. Yeah. I wasn't even asking for anything crazy. I just wanted to see how much armor a particular tank had. Battletech scene around these parts is rather sparse.
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Apr 17, 2023 04:26
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I say hit him with the rules reference. Then double check all of his numbers because he's definitely cheating. And then ask him what is so profoundly wrong with his life that he is metaphorically searching his couch for change by needing a win at BattleTech by cheating
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Apr 17, 2023 05:03
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Not letting the other player look at your sheets is refusing your batchcall.
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Apr 17, 2023 05:15
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I'd start hilariously maintaining eye contact and saying "ok" when he does damage to your units, very notably not recording any on a record sheet. If he asks, just tap the side of your forehead with your index finger and say "steel trap"
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Defiance Industries posted:I say hit him with the rules reference. Then double check all of his numbers because he's definitely cheating. And then ask him what is so profoundly wrong with his life that he is metaphorically searching his couch for change by needing a win at BattleTech by cheating If anything when I ran a game for my friends as a GM of sorts I cheated in their favor every now and then when they got bit by bad luck on a really unfortunate way.
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Apr 17, 2023 05:58
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Taerkar posted:If anything when I ran a game for my friends as a GM of sorts I cheated in their favor every now and then when they got bit by bad luck on a really unfortunate way. The one and only actual BT campaign I ever got to be in, which I stuck with about a dozen missions before bowing out of the group (ie, started dating) and it went on for a good bit after. One of the PCs (a 13 year old little brother of another player, with some IRL emotional issues) got headcapped by a Victor about five missions in, and the dude GM'ing had a really cool idea to basically keep his character alive in subsequent games but have him be some Oracle-like (the Batman one) figure stuck in a wheelchair on the dropship, running scout drones and directing artillery fire and coordinating with allied NPC units and basically any other handwavey poo poo the GM could make up from the seat of his pants to keep the kid engaged and feel helpful. It got annoying at times (his advice was persistent and he didn't always take it the best when you didn't listen to him) but everyone involved was pretty patient and I think it meant a lot to the kid to be involved. It only lasted a few missions before he got some exoskeleton thing that let him be a pilot again. I can't remember what Mech he got into (I think one of the Ost 60 tonners), but I do remember the first one back he got both legs blown off and everyone laughed about it.
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I've been wanting to get into BattleTech and I keep uhmming and ahhing at the Company level pledge because it looks like super good value for money right now. Just seeing if there's stuff available at my FLGS first.
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I hope that if it doesn't hit the $8m mark that we'll still see a Blood Asp mini at some point.
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Floppychop posted:I hope that if it doesn't hit the $8m mark that we'll still see a Blood Asp mini at some point. They probably already have the Blood Asp and the Strikers boxes in the pipeline and were able to bring them forward due to the success of the kickstarter.
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Yeah they wouldn’t just waste valuable design work, it just means it’s much further in the future than KS fulfilment for this campaign
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Defiance Industries posted:I say hit him with the rules reference. Then double check all of his numbers because he's definitely cheating. And then ask him what is so profoundly wrong with his life that he is metaphorically searching his couch for change by needing a win at BattleTech by cheating I feel like this would just escalate and make the op look like the bigger rear end in a top hat. Just don’t play with the dude again if he’s not going to let you see his record sheets.
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GD_American posted:The one and only actual BT campaign I ever got to be in, which I stuck with about a dozen missions before bowing out of the group (ie, started dating) and it went on for a good bit after. One of the PCs (a 13 year old little brother of another player, with some IRL emotional issues) got headcapped by a Victor about five missions in, and the dude GM'ing had a really cool idea to basically keep his character alive in subsequent games but have him be some Oracle-like (the Batman one) figure stuck in a wheelchair on the dropship, running scout drones and directing artillery fire and coordinating with allied NPC units and basically any other handwavey poo poo the GM could make up from the seat of his pants to keep the kid engaged and feel helpful.
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Endman posted:I feel like this would just escalate and make the op look like the bigger rear end in a top hat. I think there's a polite way to ask for them, just say "hey, BT has open spreadsheet rules" and if the guy persists in refusing, just say "alright, good game" and find a new player. It can be difficult if there isn't much BT in the area. Fortunately, I have some new players nearby I can play with now. EDIT: Kickstarter is about to break 6 million today, here comes more vehicles. Also, I'm giving away about 4-5 lances of mechs to my board game club thanks to generous donations from a few folks. Gonna get a pick of the kids and their lances once the giveaway is done. Crazy Joe Wilson fucked around with this message at 13:53 on Apr 17, 2023 |
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Battle & Fire - Manticore, Vedette, LRM Carrier, SRM Carrier This is the #1 pick-up for the vehicle packs. The Manticore is a common line tank with some really solid variants and it also looks like a tank so it's easy to use it as a proxy for anything you want. The Vedette is the most common tank in the Inner Sphere and the "yardstick" by which all other tanks are measured (which really means: if it can't kill at least one Vedette, it's crap). The LRM and SRM carriers are niche powerhouses but because this pack comes with double turrets these are ripe for magnetization so you can have 4 LRM carriers or 4 SRM carriers whenever you want. Best value for the money even if you don't magnetize for swappable missile turrets. Assault & Cavalry - Demolisher, Schrek PPC Carrier, Condor, Pegasus This is a solid pack with two really well-known assault tanks in the Demolisher and Schrek PPC Carrier, the Condor's about as close to a 'line' hovertank as you can get, and the Pegasus is *the* ubiquitous scout hovertank. This is probably the #2 pick-up after Battle & Fire. Rifle & Support - Bulldog, Von Luckner, Hetzer, SturmFeur This is almost as good as Battle & Fire. The Von Luckner is a great assault tank that also actually looks like a tank. The Bulldog is a common line tank that's maybe a hair harder to use as a proxy than the Manticore due to the shorter barrel of its large laser. The Hetzer's a great ambusher, like a rolling Hunchback, and is one of the only wheeled tanks in any pack. The SturmFeur's a bit of an odd duck though, since it's comparatively very new, it's sort-of a worse LRM carrier and its name is hilariously (and officially) misspelled. Battle & Fire is a better pickup but this pack is full of good looking vehicles and would be a solid second or third choice.. Heavy Battle & Sweep - Patton, Pike, J. Edgar, Drillson The Patton is another great looking line tank. I don't have too much to say about the Pike, it's an AA vehicle that doesn't really look like an AA vehicle. The Drillson is like the Condor but better, and the J. Edgar Hovertank is one of the settings better-known hover vehicles. A solid pickup for the Patton, Drillson, and J. Edgar, especially if you've already got Assault & Cavalry since it lets you run a Drillson + Condor heavy hover lance and a J. Edgar + Pegasus scout lance. Recon & Hunter - Behemoth, Ontos, Skulker, Warrior The Behemoth and Ontos are pretty solid assault tanks, although they're less immediately recognizable than the Demolisher and Schrek. If the Pegasus is the scout hover, the Skulker is pretty much the ubiquitous scout vehicle period. The Warrior is also the most common VTOL in the Inner Sphere and my only lament is that this pack only has two of them so if you want a VTOL lance you have to buy it twice. Between Assault & Cavalry and Recon & Hunter, I personally lean towards Assault & Cavalry as being the better pickup; but if you've got enough picks to get duplicates a pair of Recon & Hunter boxes is a good choice to grab two of thanks to the VTOLs. Objectives - Mobile HQ, MASH, Mobile Long Tom & Trailer This isn't a very useful pack. Under normal circumstances these units are all normally little better than capture/destroy objective markers (it's even in the pack name). They're fun and I'm glad they're here, but if you have to choose a pack to skip this is the pack to skip.
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Floppychop posted:I hope that if it doesn't hit the $8m mark that we'll still see a Blood Asp mini at some point. They said in a live stream last week that everything in the stretch goals is stuff that they were already working on.
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Are the Force Packs you get just the Vehicle Force Packs or any force packs that have been released?
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I’m gonna toot my own horn a bit I mentioned earlier that I was planning on making papercraft hex hills. Problem was I was on vacation, didn’t have access to my computer and I don’t have a printer at home anyway, so I had to wait until I got back home and to work to realize my idea. Here are my first prototype desert hills.  Plenty of stuff to tweak of course, generally little things I didn’t think of until I had to actually cut out and glue the things together (like a lot of white showing between the seams). But I think they honestly look decent and work great, especially with double-sided tape or blu tack on the bottom to keep them from moving around, as I printed this out on regular office paper. Have to say I’m pleased with them, it’s my first time trying to make something like this. I intend to release them online for free when I’m pleased with the product. Maybe make some variations for different map types too. What do y’all think, if something like this was available, would you print them out and try them? a cyborg mug fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Apr 17, 2023 |
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TheNabster posted:Are the Force Packs you get just the Vehicle Force Packs or any force packs that have been released? I'm pretty sure you can take any pack that's been released, not just the new ones.
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Clan Cavalry Star - Black Python, Shadow Hawk IIC, Griffin IIC, Locust IIC The Black Python is a real poo poo-kicker, it's a bit like a 75 ton Clan version of the Wraith. The rest of the 'Mechs in this pack are not slouches either, the Shadow Hawk IIC is a smaller Shadow Hawk with a less stupid armament, the Griffin IIC's just a bit plain dang weird, but the Jenner IIC and Locust IIC are both really good and some of the only light 'Mechs in any box set. Clan Direct Fire Star - Kraken, Highlander IIC, Phoenix Hawk IIC, Grizzly, Rifleman IIC The Rifleman IIC is another friendship ender, but the Kraken, Highlander IIC, and Grizzly are also solid performers. I kinda personally hate the OG Highlander, but the Highlander IIC is another animal entirely. The Phoenix Hawk IIC is weird in the best and worst ways. Inner Sphere Assault Lance - Pillager, Goliath, Shogun, Hoplite The star of this set is definitely the Pillager, performance wise, but visually it's the Goliath. It's just a pity the Goliath isn't very good. The Hoplite's a weird inclusion here because it's only a 55 tonner, but it does have a pretty distinctive look. Inner Sphere Heavy Recon - Charger, Ostroc, Merlin, Assassin A whole pack of poor performers! The Ostroc's a pretty bog-standard 5/8 60 tonner and it's the best-in-show in this pack. The Merlin's notable for being a rare IS 4/6 60 tonner, but it's basically just a Vindicator with more armor. The Assassin is still one of the single worst 'Mechs in the game, and the Charger is in this pack too. I love this pack a whole lot. Inner Sphere Pursuit Lance - Dervish, Cicada, Clint, Hermes II And a second pack of design failures! The Hermes II, a 'Mech that is remarkably OK at its intended role, is definitely the star of this pack. Pretty much everyone should be familiar with the Dervish, a 'Mech that points half its usable firepower backwards despite having hyper-extending arm actuators. The Dervish is more dangerous to 'Mechs standing behind it than it is to anything standing in front of it. The Clint's spirit animal is the Imperial Stormtrooper from Star Wars. And then there's the Cicada, a 'Mech that I would personally say has been the single most improved as time and technology advances. The Cicada's notoriously bad in 3025, and is about as terrifying as a 40 ton medium can be by 3150. Inner Sphere Recon Lance - Firestarter, Ostscout, Spector, Javelin Back to good 'Mechs! The Firestater's a notable beast, the Javelin's always been a surprisingly capable light raider, the Spector's a nasty stealth surprise, and the Ostscout sacrifices almost everything for mobility and armor. Inner Sphere Security Lance - JagerMech, Scorpion, Vulcan, Whitworth Another pack of mediocre 'Mechs. The Scorpion's the standout here, being another quad but also probably the best performer in the pack since it's... a Griffin with four legs. The Vulcan has some really good and really terrible variants, the Whitworth is a 'Mech I personally like but it's basically just a scaled-down Catapult, and everyone knows how bad the JagerMech is. The Jag has two jobs: Shoot down airplanes, and don't die in the process. It's OK at #1, but dying hilariously is the JagerMech's strongest skill. Legendary Mechwarriors II - SM1 Tank Destroyer, Devastator, Charger, Marauder, Caesar I wish we had another source of SM1 Tank Destroyers. That thing is a hovering Hetzer, it's really good at its job and I wish we could get a pair of them. Reposes/resculpts for the Devastator, Marauder, and Caesar are pretty nice. I'm glad they put Jeremiah Rose in his lovely LRM Charger. Legendary Mechwarriors III: Bounty Hunter Pack - Marauder, Warhammer, Timber Wolf W, Loki Mk II Prime, Marauder II Pretty much every 'Mech the Bounty Hunter has ever piloted, but it's nice that we're finally getting a Warhammer with a different pose! Marauder, Marauder II, and Timberwolf repose/resculpts means the Timber Wolf will finally have more custom poses and variants than the Blackjack does (lol). The Hel (Loki Mk. II) is a real surprise, though, and a very welcome one! Somerset Strikers - Axman, Mauler, Bushwacker, Hatamoto-Chi, Wolfhound Resculpts for the Axman, Wolfhound, and Bushwacker, the Mauler and Hatamoto-Chi are brand new. I know it's mostly here because it's already in the pipeline, but the Hatamoto-Chi is a bizarre pull that was only in one episode and was fielded pretty much exclusively by the Black Dragon Society and DCMS. I'm also a touch disappointed we didn't get Adam Steiner's AWS-9Ma Awesome or their boondoggle of an AeroSpace fighter (then again, I'm also glad they haven't wasted any time sculpting the barely-flying joke that was the Banshee). Thoughts: Counting the Somerset Strikers, there are 16 Mech packs in total and the Regiment choice only gives you 12 (14 at 7m?) of them so if you want a box of everything at $8m you'll still have to dip into the add-ons for two more packs. If we don't hit the 7m unlock or Somerset Strikers pack regiment buyers will still need an extra 3 box choices from add-ons to get all 15 packs. If you have to skip a few, if you want any of the Legendary Mechwarriors packs you should probably make them a priority since they'll likely be reprinted the least. PoptartsNinja fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Apr 17, 2023 |
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Am I weird because I’m specifically drawn to the bad mechs. I want basically all of the ones you shat on (Thanks for the breakdown of the lance packs, I consider myself a newcomer to BT still and it’s nice to have information on mechs I don’t know much about packaged neatly like that)
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Same. PTN could’ve basically just said “pack of four junk mechs” for each Inner Sphere force pack but it’s on brand and for some reason I love the character on them, unlike when I was little and thought Clan mechs were the poo poo. Just repeatedly saying “no this mech is like that but better at it than everything” makes for something kind of boring. …anyway,  Tree line camo looks like pants until and after they’re finished. Also not pictured but I’m noticing now that I missed a pretty obvious lighting detail on the left Mad Cat’s inside left calf. Not sure what I want to do with the insides of these missile pods, and I usually dry brush a very faint ghost gray down mechs to add some light and age.  I’ve been playing some simple low tech games with friends, now we got more options to expand.
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a cyborg mug posted:Am I weird because I’m specifically drawn to the bad mechs. I want basically all of the ones you shat on You're not weird, I want all those packs too. They're some of my highest-priority picks. Bad 'Mechs are great 'Mechs.
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Out of everything they’re releasing I want a Charger the most. I’m gonna run the fuckin standard variant in every game
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PoptartsNinja posted:Inner Sphere Pursuit Lance - Dervish, Cicada, Clint, Hermes II
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I'm planning on running a Destiny/TW campaign and I desperately want those crappy 40 tonners for my Opfor.
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a cyborg mug posted:Out of everything they’re releasing I want a Charger the most. I’m gonna run the fuckin standard variant in every game Idk what everyone was mad about, it does exactly what the name says 
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Arquinsiel posted:I think you're confusing the Dervish with the Quickdraw, which is what happens when someone says "what if we make a Dervish that's five tons heavier but also worse?" I was, yeah. The Dervish and Quickdraw both have hyper-extending arm actuators, but the Quickdraw has four medium lasers it can fire into the rear arc while the Dervish has 2 LRM-10s instead of the Quickdraw's single launcher. The Dervish is the less stupid of the two. I do love the Quickdraw variant that said "We need to increase our forward firepower!" and forward-mounted the lasers then rear-mounted the SRM-4 instead. 
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I'd go so far as to say the Dervish is actually a pretty solid 3025 trooper design. There's a bunch of interesting upgrades of it over the years, and the DV-9D which replaces each missile rack with an MML-5 is pretty much the ideal, if slightly over-provisioned with ammo.
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I'm personally really looking forward to the Clint. It's one of my all-around favorite terrible 'Mechs.
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PoptartsNinja posted:Thoughts: Counting the Somerset Strikers, there are 16 Mech packs in total and the Regiment choice only gives you 12 (14 at 7m?) of them so if you want a box of everything at $8m you'll still have to dip into the add-ons for two more packs. If we don't hit the 7m unlock or Somerset Strikers pack regiment buyers will still need an extra 3 box choices from add-ons to get all 15 packs. If you have to skip a few, if you want any of the Legendary Mechwarriors packs you should probably make them a priority since they'll likely be reprinted the least. Regiment level has 12 forcepacks plus an additional 3 forcepacks due to milestones, so you’d only need an extra box if they don’t hit $8M.
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I couldn't remember if they were updating the kickstarter to include the already-reached addons in the numbers or not so I erred on the side of "they were already included," my apologies if I'm incorrect. If we hit the +2 at 7m but don't hit the 8m the Regiment will have enough force packs for one of everything.
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Yeah, they’ve just been adding new stuff under the Bonuses section rather than altering the initial distribution in the pledge levels.
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