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Taerkar
Dec 7, 2002

kind of into it, really

Karate Bastard posted:

Maybe Russia can save some face by pulling out and and heading home about right now, completely undefeated.

Among other things Putin's labeling of everyone opposing the invasion as Nazis has made even this quite a challenge because that would mean that he lost to "nazis", which is a very weak move.

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mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Ok so I didn't follow the Donbas Girl for obvious reasons and only just saw what was posted about it being a fraud, but it turns out to be even more :stare: than it seemed at first glance. There's a good post from the trump thread

The Last Call posted:

We got another one. You might have heard of this one.


Social-Media Account Overseen by Former Navy Noncommissioned Officer Helped Spread Secrets
An American administrator of the Donbas Girl blogger network uses a pro-Russian persona across online platforms

https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1647680924924952578

https://www.wsj.com/articles/social...od=hp_lead_pos1


A social-media account overseen by a former U.S. Navy noncommissioned officer—a prominent online voice supporting Russia's war on Ukraine—played a key role in the spread of intelligence documents allegedly leaked by Airman First Class Jack Teixeira, reposting files from obscure online chat rooms.

A purported Russian blogger known as Donbass Devushka, which translates as Donbas Girl, is the face of a network of pro-Kremlin social-media, podcasting, merchandise and fundraising accounts. But the person who hosted podcasts as Donbass Devushka and oversees these accounts is a Washington-state-based former U.S. enlisted aviation electronics technician whose real name is Sarah Bils.

Ms. Bils, 37 years old, served at the U.S. naval air station on Whidbey Island until late last year, even as the accounts she had established and supervised glorified the Russian military and the paramilitary Wagner Group. They are among the most widely followed English-language social-media outlets promoting Russia's views.

In an interview Saturday at her home in Oak Harbor, Wash., Ms. Bils said she is an administrator of the Donbass Devushka persona, and acknowledged raising funds and hosting podcasts under that name. She added, however, that she is one of 15 people "all over the world" involved in running the Donbass Devushka network. Ms. Bils declined to identify these people.

Donating to the Russian military, a sanctioned entity in the U.S., is illegal. Asked in an interview whether she sent funds to Russia, Ms. Bils said she used the proceeds to fund the operations of the Donbass Devushka platforms, including buying podcast equipment for another administrator, and sent money to charities in Serbia, Pakistan, Somalia, Syria and Palestinian territories. She added that she has raised only a "small" amount.

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1647743130349780993

https://twitter.com/jimstewartson/status/1647707511825534977

Karma Comedian
Feb 2, 2012

mobby_6kl posted:

Ok so I didn't follow the Donbas Girl for obvious reasons and only just saw what was posted about it being a fraud, but it turns out to be even more :stare: than it seemed at first glance. There's a good post from the trump thread

I was about to post about this myself. A good post

In other news, Bradleys are officially on Ukrainian training grounds

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1647669596067962880?t=jLlKPg4RyjJmy3dIwtrolQ&s=19

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006

mobby_6kl posted:

Ok so I didn't follow the Donbas Girl for obvious reasons and only just saw what was posted about it being a fraud, but it turns out to be even more :stare: than it seemed at first glance. There's a good post from the trump thread

Whidbey Island isn't very far from me. It's possible I've met her at some point

mrfart
May 26, 2004

Dear diary, today I
became a captain.

Will they give them a paint job before sending them into battle?
They look a bit 'desert'

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

zone posted:


Vatniks are mad as hell over the Dumbass Devushka saga, LOL

Why mad

This just shows westoid soldiers are so tired of woke they want to be Russian!

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Tarkus posted:

Beau of the Fifth clarifies Prigozhin's earlier statements about declaring victory and leaving. interesting.

He's a good explainer, and I've seen a similar analysis from a couple of other sources. Not that you need a lot of support to conclude that Prigozhin is talking out of his rear end,

Ghost of Babyhead
Jun 28, 2008
Grimey Drawer
If this fake Donbass blogger has been grifting from pro-Russians, Zelensky should give her a medal. :colbert:

Tai
Mar 8, 2006
Posting in a soon to be locked thread!

appropriatemetaphor
Jan 26, 2006

HonorableTB posted:

And as an aside I would like to direct readers of this thread to Radio Bayraktar, a pro-Ukrainian war music station

https://www.radiobayraktar.ua/

Ah cool! New video gaming background jams.

Roblo
Dec 10, 2007

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Tai posted:

Posting in a soon to be locked thread!

Why is that? more drama brewing?

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

Roblo posted:

Why is that? more drama brewing?

Someone who used to be a thread regular in previous incarnations of the GBS Ukraine war thread doxxed another poster and was perma'd for it, as doxxing is correctly one of those zero tolerance offenses on these forums.

E: to be honest this isn't really the place for this discussion

Runa fucked around with this message at 09:44 on Apr 17, 2023

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Donbas Girl was a goon???

Just Another Lurker
May 1, 2009

Runa posted:

Someone who used to be a thread regular in previous incarnations of the GBS Ukraine war thread doxxed another poster and was perma'd for it, as doxxing is correctly one of those zero tolerance offenses on these forums.

E: to be honest this isn't really the place for this discussion

:yikes:

Dwesa
Jul 19, 2016

Maybe I'll go where I can see stars
some news, while this thread still lasts

this is a potentially good development, natural gas or oil imported from Russia are not the only energy security risks

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1647869576028336134

short thread on new "PMC" - it's daughter organization of Wagner and it seems some mobiks were transferred to it against their will

https://twitter.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1647860366758559744

longer thread on how RU adapted on tactical level - e.g., instead of poorly conducted air-land integration and ground combined armed tactics, they started to rely on 'human wave' tactics

https://twitter.com/WarintheFuture/status/1647834258747322368

all 13 Slovak MiG-29 transferred to Ukraine

https://twitter.com/JaroNad/status/1647862420445044736

Kara-Murza was sentenced to 25 years in prison

https://twitter.com/meduza_en/status/1647891821643677697

older and longer article on him worth a read if you want to know more about him

https://twitter.com/meduza_en/status/1647894826006749186

Ghost of Babyhead posted:

If this fake Donbass blogger has been grifting from pro-Russians, Zelensky should give her a medal. :colbert:
eh, she probably still caused more harm by spreading pro-Russian propaganda (and also those leaks)

Tarkus posted:

Beau of the Fifth clarifies Prigozhin's earlier statements about declaring victory and leaving. interesting.
this probably makes sense as an explanation, I read translated Prigozhin's essay and did not understand it, it is either self-contradictory (and filled with BS, as expected) or I missed something

Dwesa fucked around with this message at 10:54 on Apr 17, 2023

CSM
Jan 29, 2014

56th Motorized Infantry 'Mariupol' Brigade
Seh' die Welt in Trummern liegen

zone posted:

https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1647671158299410438?s=20
Chris_O with a new thread today. This time he details the experiences of a Russian medic on the front lines. To say what she saw was harrowing is an understatement, as she details the abuse inflicted on Russian soldiers by their own officers and commanders.
CW: sexual violence, descriptions of wounded and dead, and psychotic behavior by the officers. :nws: :nms:
You can read the article here:

https://www.rferl.org/a/women-russian-military-field-wife/32342221.html

Tarquinn
Jul 3, 2007

I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you
my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal.
Hell Gem

Runa posted:

E: to be honest this isn't really the place for this discussion
☝🏻

Yes this.

If you care about forums drama, please go to SAD.
I know that I sound like a broken record. Apologies.

KazigluBey
Oct 30, 2011

boner

Tarquinn posted:

☝🏻

Yes this.

If you care about forums drama, please go to SAD.
I know that I sound like a broken record. Apologies.

Considering that people are catching strays and being called Pedo-adjacent for posting itt (along with the usual framing that this thread is nothing but wall to wall untagged auto-playing gore) idk if it's great advice to suggest people go participate in what's happening in SAD.

I am not adding to the discussion itself here, I'm commenting on this being the second prompt itt suggesting people go post in SAD like it's something casual, and I don't think that's good advice unless people know what they are getting themselves into.

Karma Comedian
Feb 2, 2012

Noel sitrep for today. Standard off-site CWs apply. I'm posting everything worth seeing.

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1647857508424228864?t=wXvNeRXf3-N8S7K3lbGhAA&s=19
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1647857525780348930?t=i0ALhm4bhZe9g3ROwhA1Pw&s=19
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1647857530075217920?t=qI8zas0O6rgWax9otn0ceQ&s=19
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1647857531685928960?t=laVWXS6I2O5Y2KV2D0HKCg&s=19

No maps, not much change

Dwesa
Jul 19, 2016

Maybe I'll go where I can see stars
If you don't want to get involved in forums drama, the only SAD thread that was relevant to this thread is already closed and nothing is changing for now.

some insanity - propagandist mad at Medvedev for writing in English

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1647922100219396097

Dwesa fucked around with this message at 13:07 on Apr 17, 2023

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

KazigluBey posted:

Considering that people are catching strays and being called Pedo-adjacent for posting itt (along with the usual framing that this thread is nothing but wall to wall untagged auto-playing gore) idk if it's great advice to suggest people go participate in what's happening in SAD.

I am not adding to the discussion itself here, I'm commenting on this being the second prompt itt suggesting people go post in SAD like it's something casual, and I don't think that's good advice unless people know what they are getting themselves into.

It's kind of hard to recommend people dip themselves into SAD because it's fallen into the same kind of posting personality/anger-driven rut QCS did, but the admins run a bit on "who was the last person to talk to me" rules so if you don't speak up it's extremely easy for people to run away with some utter BS. It helps if you can do it while sounding normal and not like a huge creep.

Ikasuhito
Sep 29, 2013

Haram as Fuck.

mrfart posted:

Will they give them a paint job before sending them into battle?
They look a bit 'desert'

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1647906231544168448

They might do

Pablo Bluth
Sep 7, 2007

I've made a huge mistake.
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1647937342668193794

They're a Polish improved T-72. Still all a bit short on high end main battle tanks, but they seem to be acquiring a reasonable collection of second-tier-tanks, AFV and IFVs.

Unless I've missed it, none of the western tanks/afv/ifvs have shown up in combat footage so far. Western artillery and APC type stuff has clearly been put in to immediate use but tanky stuff is being stockpiled.

Philonius
Jun 12, 2005


Pleasantly surprised at the level of support my country keeps providing.

An overview of support by country is tracked here : https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/

France coming in at a whopping 0.07% of GDP, compared to 0.465 for NL, and over 1% for some Baltic countries. Macron can blab on all he wants about a strategically independent Europe, but I have zero faith in French leadership in this regard.

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

Philonius posted:

Pleasantly surprised at the level of support my country keeps providing.

An overview of support by country is tracked here : https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/

France coming in at a whopping 0.07% of GDP, compared to 0.465 for NL, and over 1% for some Baltic countries. Macron can blab on all he wants about a strategically independent Europe, but I have zero faith in French leadership in this regard.

Macron keeps going back to that "Putin needs a dignified off-ramp" he has been rambling since the war started, and he also seems to have set his mind into thinking that Putin can be talked down from this completely nakedly greedy imperial landgrab and any future aggression towards neighbors.

I absolutely have no idea why Macron and Scholz are competing on which one the history will condemn as the bigger spineless weasel concerning stopping Putin's Russia, but right now it starts to look like that Macron might have a chance, even after such a strong start by Scholz.

enigma74
Aug 5, 2005
a lean lobster who probably doesn't even taste good.

Philonius posted:

Pleasantly surprised at the level of support my country keeps providing.

An overview of support by country is tracked here : https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/

France coming in at a whopping 0.07% of GDP, compared to 0.465 for NL, and over 1% for some Baltic countries. Macron can blab on all he wants about a strategically independent Europe, but I have zero faith in French leadership in this regard.

Is it possible that some of France's contributions are not being "counted" because they are behind closed doors? Or maybe they don't have much tanks and other ground based metal to actually send besides artillery?

Bertha the Toaster
Jan 11, 2009
If for some reason more evidence of Wagner being utter monsters was needed; https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1647956035418611713

Dwesa
Jul 19, 2016

Maybe I'll go where I can see stars

enigma74 posted:

Is it possible that some of France's contributions are not being "counted" because they are behind closed doors? Or maybe they don't have much tanks and other ground based metal to actually send besides artillery?
That might be also case for other countries that are low on the list, for example Italian deliveries are fairly opaque because they are considered state secrets.

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/ru...hxaNQh4Ymoeyq7g

Deus Ex Macklemore
Jul 2, 2004


Zelensky's Zealots
Here's an article about the Donbass Dumbass

https://news.usni.org/2023/04/17/feds-investigating-former-sailor-behind-pro-russian-donbass-devushka-accounts

An interesting fact at the bottom - she advanced to E7 but was discharged as an E5. For those non-military goons, in the Navy the transition from E6 to E7 is unlike any other rank promotion. Up to E6, you just take a test (gently caress, for the first paygrades you just have to have time in service) and if you score high enough for your job, you advance. When you are up for Chief (E7), you have to pass the test and then submit your package (heh) to a board for review and then blah blah blah you make it and there is a whole Hazing Period that lasts for weeks while the E7 and above teach you how to be a Chief. It's a whole thing, but the point is that you have to check a lot of boxes to make Chief and a lot of people plot their career path to make it. Anyway that is the normal advancement stuff.


You can also get Command Advanced, which is your command saying BEEP BOOP, PAY RAISE. When promoting to E4 and up, you are technically "Frocked" when the results come back and you made it. This means that you get to wear the rank but you don't get paid for it until a specific date. If you gently caress up while you're frocked, you really frock yourself because you can go down to the level you previously were before the promotion. So an E5 who advanced to E6 but fucks up can be put down to an E4. Oh and now you're past your high year tenure so good luck.

The only other way to lose two or more ranks is through Courts Martial. Either way, she hosed up either while being frocked or something that required a Court Martial.

LOL

Philonius
Jun 12, 2005

Bertha the Toaster posted:

If for some reason more evidence of Wagner being utter monsters was needed; https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1647956035418611713

Sorry mods, but this thing is an orc.

(if true)

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Philonius posted:

Sorry mods, but this thing is an orc.

(if true)

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Its okay to just call him a war criminal.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Or not.

KazigluBey
Oct 30, 2011

boner

Philonius posted:

Sorry mods, but this thing is an orc.

(if true)

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

gently caress off with this kind of post.

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

Orcs have the moral benefit of having been created by a spirit of elemental evil. Wagner SS are just people entertaining themselves between now and retirement. They bear more culpability for not being beep boop monsters, not less.

appropriatemetaphor
Jan 26, 2006

Please do not infringe upon Gamesworkshop copyright

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

Post/username combo!!

Pekinduck
May 10, 2008

Flyinglemur posted:

Here's an article about the Donbass Dumbass

https://news.usni.org/2023/04/17/feds-investigating-former-sailor-behind-pro-russian-donbass-devushka-accounts

An interesting fact at the bottom - she advanced to E7 but was discharged as an E5.
LOL

Thanks for the explanation. I noticed that and figured losing two ranks means you hosed. Up. but I didn't know the extent of it.

Cthulu Carl
Apr 16, 2006

CommieGIR posted:

Its okay to just call him a war criminal.

I think those Wagner PMC boys are real jackasses and perhaps even fuckheads.

RoyKeen
Jul 24, 2007

Grimey Drawer

Cthulu Carl posted:

I think those Wagner PMC boys are real jackasses and perhaps even fuckheads.

Whoa, MODS!
Don't dehumanize someone just because they warcrime and shoot 5 year olds in the heads.

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Prettz
Sep 3, 2002

KazigluBey posted:

gently caress off with this kind of post.
lol

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