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Nice Tuckpointing! posted:Even in the first episode, when Shaw's eating alone and listening to classical music (TV shorthand for rear end in a top hat)
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I’m actually glad they killed Robert and René so the Picard writers couldn’t get their slimy mitts on them.
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At this point I am only interested in Picard if it sets us up with a Seven of Nine and Doctor reunion aboard Museum Voyager
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Lol, just rewatched the saucer crash scene, I had forgotten the part right at the end where all the seats at once decide to tip forward and the two front stations slide like a carnival ride.
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Apr 18, 2023 07:08
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sitchensis posted:At this point I am only interested in Picard if it sets us up with a Seven of Nine and Doctor reunion aboard Museum Voyager
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If you guys like Shaw (which yea he is the best part) that actor plays basically the same exact character in 12 Monkeys. Also, not a fan of how Ro Laren popped up briefly, revealing she abandoned the marquis. Think it would be more interesting if she survived eradication at the hand of the dominion and lives somewhere jaded and scarred with Thomas Riker on some small moon. Death By The Blues fucked around with this message at 08:10 on Apr 18, 2023 |
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Boxturret posted:Lol, just rewatched the saucer crash scene, I had forgotten the part right at the end where all the seats at once decide to tip forward and the two front stations slide like a carnival ride. It's like the whole bridge set floor just slides forward about 10 feet towards the view screen taking everyone with it, it's so awkward. And even before that, Frakes and Dorn just commit whole hog to their action leaps/falls over the chairs and the wood arch, while Sirtis just lazily and gently falls on her back out of the helm station chair and yet she sells it like she just got clocked in the head by a 2x4. It looks so goofy, it's actually endearing.
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Boxturret posted:Lol, just rewatched the saucer crash scene, I had forgotten the part right at the end where all the seats at once decide to tip forward and the two front stations slide like a carnival ride. Personally been watching the TNG films for the first time with a bud and I have just been introduced to Picard's deleted-scene roller coaster harness chair, along with Nemesis. And thanks to that saucer crash I'm convinced Starfleet doesn't install them because they'd still break all your bones if the ship had to do an emergency nose-grind. edit: And personally I just can't picture Star Trek without all those front flips!
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CJacobs posted:Personally been watching the TNG films for the first time with a bud and I have just been introduced to Picard's deleted-scene roller coaster harness chair, along with Nemesis. And thanks to that saucer crash I'm convinced Starfleet doesn't install them because they'd still break all your bones if the ship had to do an emergency nose-grind. Everyone talks about the positive vision of the future, but the real essence of star trek is front flips and two-fisted punches
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Death By The Blues posted:If you guys like Shaw (which yea he is the best part) that actor plays basically the same exact character in 12 Monkeys. Ro Laren didn't ask much abandon the Maquis as the Maquis was completely destroyed by the dominion
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Nice Tuckpointing! posted:Did they ever explain the cause of that fire? I bet it was a highwayman, even though they haven't been seen in those parts in centuries. It was the three Borg mercenaries from season 2 who are still stuck in the walls.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:It was the three Borg mercenaries from season 2 who are still stuck in the walls. At least they didn't disturb the loose brick Picard placed in the wall three centuries earlier.
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Nice Tuckpointing! posted:Rene of Borg-undy Renee's collective in inherited by either Space Austria, Space Spain, or Space France. (I've been playing too much EUIV)
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Watched The Undiscovered Country last night for the first time in ages in glorious 4K, and what a great movie. Is it better than Wrath of Khan? I couldn't fault you if you said it was. A perfect send-off for the crew, really fun, and quite different from the rest of the OG movies. Still, lots of examples of "bad writing" that if it was in Picard season 3 people would be frothing about, but still just a great movie.
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The biggest thing I can think of is that apparently Uhura, the communications officer on the Enterprise who speaks a ton of languages...never tried to learn Klingon, probably the most important language for her to know.
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Eimi posted:The biggest thing I can think of is that apparently Uhura, the communications officer on the Enterprise who speaks a ton of languages...never tried to learn Klingon, probably the most important language for her to know. Or the alarm for firing a phaser that we never saw before or since. RIP mashed potatoes
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Alan_Shore posted:Watched The Undiscovered Country last night for the first time in ages in glorious 4K, and what a great movie. Is it better than Wrath of Khan? I couldn't fault you if you said it was. A perfect send-off for the crew, really fun, and quite different from the rest of the OG movies. Still, lots of examples of "bad writing" that if it was in Picard season 3 people would be frothing about, but still just a great movie. A bit of a weird swipe. Like even the two examples just brought up are more in the realm of particularly weak CinemaSins than the criticisms that have been made of Picard. Good movie, though.
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Alrighty, I'll take the bait.Alan_Shore posted:Still, lots of examples of "bad writing" that if it was in Picard season 3 people would be frothing about, but still just a great movie. Such as?
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Actual Satan posted:Or the alarm for firing a phaser that we never saw before or since. At least for the movies that preceded it, I can't recall an unauthorized phaser being fired on a starship. Or any phaser for that matter. Edit; though admittedly it's been about 25 years since I paid attention to The Final Frontier aside from the McCoy-and-his-dad scene Nice Tuckpointing! fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Apr 18, 2023 |
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The one that always bugged me was the Klingon about to spill the beans, and right as he says, "His name is..." is exactly when Kirk and McCoy get beamed up. Bit of a mystery box, you might say. At least the silliness of it is immediately acknowledged and played for laughs (and character-based laughs; not just Whedon-esque one-liners) in what could have easily been a "grimdark" slog of a story in the wrong hands. Edit; okay, I'll stop tweaking my sentences. But one more thing. Let's just admit that the black fuzzy tracking device on Kirk's shoulder surviving all the way to prison is a bit much. But at least it's telegraphed and not, say, hinted at on a screen readout. Now hit me with those gaseous planetary anomalies that Nice Tuckpointing! fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Apr 18, 2023 |
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Nice Tuckpointing! posted:The one that always bugged me was the Klingon about to spill the beans, and right as he says, "His name is..." is exactly when Kirk and McCoy get beamed up. Bit of a mystery box, you might say. At least the silliness of it is immediately acknowledged and played for laughs in what could have easily been a "grimdark" slog of a story in the wrong hands. In contrast its not actually important what's in the mystery box, the only purpose is to tantalize and get people to tune in next week. Famously, in many cases, the writers and producers don't know and don't care what's in the box.
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Eimi posted:The biggest thing I can think of is that apparently Uhura, the communications officer on the Enterprise who speaks a ton of languages...never tried to learn Klingon, probably the most important language for her to know. Yep, that's one! Great scene, though. Actual Satan posted:Or the alarm for firing a phaser that we never saw before or since. That's another! Surely everyone on the ship knows about the phaser alarm. She didn't need to demonstrate it. Nice Tuckpointing! posted:Alrighty, I'll take the bait. How about Spock tracking Kirk with a piece of velcro stuck to his shoulder that is VERY OBVIOUS and the Klingons didn't notice or detect it? I'm sure if a similar forced mind meld scene happened in Picard people ITT would be furious. Or Volaris naming the conspirators and then just saying "Romulan ambassador". The dude doesn't even have a name lol The whole assassination plot was "snipe the chancellor from a window" while wearing a rubber mask. Like, where is security? Again, none of these bothers me at all and I can totally see why they're there. But Picard season 3 does similar things and it absolutely roasted for it
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Yeah it's a mystery, not a mystery box. The premise of the film is that there's a conspiracy to kill Gorkon and stop peace, and the heroes realise immediately that at least part of the conspiracy is within Starfleet. The conspiracy is central to the theme of the film that xenophobia and fear are the real enemy, because it turns out that Starfleet and Klingon officers were working together to start a war because as nonsense as that sounds, it was less scary to them than peace. The 'flaws' with 6 are that it gets through crucial moments in the narrative via the power of convenience: Saavik doesn't know where the peace conference is being held, so the crew call up Sulu and he just tells them without hesitation. E: I would say the reason the convenience is unobjectionable is that there aren't any points in the film where there's an obvious thing the characters would have to do to achieve their goal if a convenient thing didn't happen. Ultimately all fictional stories are convenient events strung along, the point is there are no adversity skipping short cuts. Alchenar fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Apr 18, 2023 |
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:Well thats part of the difference between mystery and mystery box. That question was resolved only a few scenes later, cuz it was an important part of the main plot that all the characters wanted the answer to. And the answer was planned ahead and was wholly consistent with events earlier in the movie. Yuuuup. This has got me thinking the past few minutes about the iffy bits (in that I have to hesitate on who I recommend it to) of Undiscovered Country and why they get a pass when I try to eliminate nostalgia points in my bias. An exploding moon eliminating an entire empire. A painting of it as the Excelsior's visual. Christopher Plummer being an absolute ham. Spock performing a brutal violation of Valeris' mind. Kirk sliding into home to save the Federation president. And the other stuff already mentioned. And there's a running theme as to why the movie is still good despite these flaws: The characters and how story is in service to them. For Picard, the scale is heavily balanced the other way. See the discussion two weeks ago about Crusher and Picard wanting to execute Vadic among the biggest examples of this. And the times when the characters come first -- such as Shaw's coping mechanisms, Data and Geordie's friendship -- those are the bits that even the crustiest of us here are still praising despite the mess around them.
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S31 Movie with Yeoh announced. https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/paramount-plus-star-trek-section-31-film-michelle-yeoh-1235586743/
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He gets named, it's just mumbled. "Romulan ambassador Nanclus".
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https://twitter.com/startrekonpplus/status/1648341607916392449?s=46&t=F814wIBuVlXOOvxH-nLAWQ Oh good, they got the director who loves to spin the camera around nonsensically
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Plotac 75 posted:He gets named, it's just mumbled. "Romulan ambassador Nanclus". Heh. It didn't even make the transcript.
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Thats just character closure and the section 31 show is dead right.... Right??
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Yeah, that reads as they could only get her for like 3 weeks.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:https://twitter.com/startrekonpplus/status/1648341607916392449?s=46&t=F814wIBuVlXOOvxH-nLAWQ Oh thank God it's just a TV movie.
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nine-gear crow posted:Oh thank God it's just a TV movie. I'm sure they'll still do some 'someone needs to make the hard choices' bullshit though
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Gaz-L posted:Yeah, that reads as they could only get her for like 3 weeks. and also "do we have a photo of her on the set? in character? in costume? anything?" "...we have a picture of michelle yeoh"
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Instead of watching the Section 31 movie, you should all just watch Yes, Madam! and pretend it’s a prequel featuring Georgiou’s ancestor.
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