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VictualSquid
Feb 29, 2012

Gently enveloping the target with indiscriminate love.

DrBouvenstein posted:

Is that partly because, on average, most young people in general can hear a higher frequency range than older people? So it might part "old people like the sound, as far as they can remember what it was" but mostly "they literally can't hear the more annoying frequency."

I even remember hearing stores of some places (maybe part of Japan?) using basically "dog whistles" to deter teenagers/youths from certain areas? Because most popel over like 30 couldn't' register the sound.

England. Tom Scott mentions them in the video you quoted. And he mentions that he could hear them until he was 30.

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olives black
Nov 24, 2017


LENIN.
STILL.
WON'T.
FUCK.
ME.

LimaBiker posted:

I got one of these, though yamaha branded. Yamaha, Tascam and Fostex all make these. Some of them are rebranded versions of each other.They're fun little things. When i got it 10 years ago, they weren't terribly valuable, mostly below 100 euro for the 4 track 9,5cm/s model with DBX noise reduction.
The quality is really quite good, with a nice and punchy sound when you turn on the DBX. However, with 4 tracks, you're pretty limited in what you can do if you want to record in stereo and don't want to downmix/bounce more than once.
The 8 track ones are probably more expensive, more useful, but with 8 channels on a tiny cassette tape you're bound to have worse quality. The 4ch ones are really good. Especially if you go for a separate mixing console and deck, like the Tascam 234.
The 8ch separate decks are unreliable with weird SMD stuff on the motor control board that can fail. The Tascam 234 has a conventional motor like you find in any old cassette deck.

Tapes are still cheaply available 2nd hand, but that supply is rapidly getting more expensive. Around the same time i got the portastudio, i was given 2 moving boxes full of cassettes. I filtered through them, selected the 25% best (read: the ones that are 100% in 'like new' condition - the next 50% was perfectly usable but might have had 1 or 2 dropouts, and the final 25% was worn). I just gave away the 'perfectly usable, just not perfect' bunch.

For me, the worse quality is the point because I fuckin love stuff that sounds like this.

https://youtu.be/e_8s48-hHvc

Yeah yeah I know there's plugins that emulate the tape sound but it just feels wrong and not kvlt at all to do it that way.

It makes zero economic sense though given the rising cost of tapes and I'm not sure how long it would take me to get sick of it and want to move to a DAW.

edit: Wondering how good (by my standards) the sound could be if I just recorded digitally and sent the final mixdown out to a cassette deck

olives black has a new favorite as of 04:30 on Apr 11, 2023

my turn in the barrel
Dec 31, 2007

I might be wrong but I think it's actually the flyback transformer whining and not the tube itself that puts out the high pitched whine.

I can still hear it at 38 in the same room as a crt TV/Monitor but when I was a kid I could tell when the zenith console tv downstairs was on sitting in my room.

LimaBiker
Dec 9, 2020




Both the flyback and the horizontal deflection coils can produce the whine. Both are powered with the line frequency signal of (in 50hz pal regions) 15625hz

Kwyndig
Sep 23, 2006

Heeeeeey


At a job I once had we had monitors that would break down in such a way they would emit a high pitched whine that apparently only I could hear. It was frustrating explaining to my bosses that I was getting headaches and nausea from faulty equipment and couldn't work, especially considering my job involved listening to things.

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000

my turn in the barrel posted:

I might be wrong but I think it's actually the flyback transformer whining and not the tube itself that puts out the high pitched whine.

I can still hear it at 38 in the same room as a crt TV/Monitor but when I was a kid I could tell when the zenith console tv downstairs was on sitting in my room.

Yes, electronics that switch at audio frequency can generate sounds via as the magnetic fields in coils and the electric fields in capacitors change. Though I've heard that capacitors usually only start making hearable noise if they're failing. In any case, coils share a bit in common with magnetic speakers and capacitors - especially ceramic ones - have a bit in common with piezo speakers.

You especially hear it in DC-DC converters (like the flyback converter used to make the high anode voltage for the tube's electron beam) but anything switching at a hearable frequency can potentially make noise if the signal goes through coils or capacitors.

Pretty sure nothing in the tube should make a continuous noise. Maybe if something fails badly there could be arcing or something, but not during normal operation.

VictualSquid
Feb 29, 2012

Gently enveloping the target with indiscriminate love.
Books and drawing things by hand are both outdated. And I found a book about drafting from 1996, I got for free during a library cleanup around 2005:

It starts with an errata printout page about the new EN10025 names for steels, which is an actual example of failed technology afaik.


I really like the strange combination of basics and advanced info:
What is pen? what is compass? what is protractor?
what is Oberflächenangabenschablone? It is a stencil for surface condition markings.


Stencil for isometric and dimetric distorted things.
Stickers with symbols as an alternative to stencils.
Some kind of hand held plotter.


I think there was also a lego technik version. Found the pic of the catalogue:


How to fold paper and draw a line:


How to write letters:


How to find the middle of a line:
How to draw two rods touching each other:



NC without the first C. Which means you need to write your own G-code. The next page has an example g-code listing for that example object, but the book has no general g-code reference section.


A CAD workstation needs an high end PC with at leas 8MB of RAM:


Actual failed tech, android showed me a document scan to google drive button while I was making those photos.
It changed the photo to look like this:

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

VictualSquid posted:

Books and drawing things by hand are both outdated. And I found a book about drafting from 1996, I got for free during a library cleanup around 2005:

It starts with an errata printout page about the new EN10025 names for steels, which is an actual example of failed technology afaik.


What am I missing here - those look like the names that are still in use?

VictualSquid
Feb 29, 2012

Gently enveloping the target with indiscriminate love.

3D Megadoodoo posted:

What am I missing here - those look like the names that are still in use?

I don't have current knowledge so they might finally have succeeded, but afaik they never actually managed to replace the old names outside of textbooks.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

VictualSquid posted:

I don't have current knowledge so they might finally have succeeded, but afaik they never actually managed to replace the old names outside of textbooks.

IDK I've worked in international industry since 2005 and that looks like what every plant and wholesaler uses :shrug: Sometimes you need to get like special stuff from Japan or something and they do their own thing. And then you have old neck-bearded fuckos who have spirit-copied lists from the seventies because Moscow never called them and told them to get with the times.

Explosionface
May 30, 2011

We can dance if we want to,
we can leave Marle behind.
'Cause your fiends don't dance,
and if they don't dance,
they'll get a Robo Fist of mine.


Man, I loved manual drafting with a drafting machine. Just drawing what was in the textbook was just a problem solving exercise.

And single stroke gothic is no joke.

My dad was a draftsman for 30 years, so he went from by hand through a couple versions of different CAD software. He was pissed off when he had to learn AutoCAD at one point. Which was a significant change from the bespoke software they used before (as he relayed it to me - I have doubts it was so special).

coldpudding
May 14, 2009

FORUM GHOST

VictualSquid posted:

Some kind of hand held plotter.




I have one of those NC scribers I found on the roadside sorry for the crummy old photo

Mine needs new belts and has a dead lcd but when I first picked it up I could put a pen in the holder and make it write what I typed on that wacky alphabetical keyboard, all up it weighs about 13 pounds due to there being a great big honkin power transformer inside the briefcase style base station.

Computer viking
May 30, 2011
Now with less breakage.

VictualSquid posted:



I really like the strange combination of basics and advanced info:
What is pen? what is compass? what is protractor?
what is Oberflächenangabenschablone? It is a stencil for surface condition markings.


I love German. That'd be an "overflateangivelsessjablong" in directly translated Norwegian, I think?

Also, I really wanted one of those Lego Technics control units.

Groke
Jul 27, 2007
New Adventures In Mom Strength
Overbuljongterningpakkmesterassistent?

Computer viking
May 30, 2011
Now with less breakage.

Groke posted:

Overbuljongterningpakkmesterassistent?

And their pakkmesterassistentslønnsforhandlingsproblemer, yeah.

Mister Kingdom
Dec 14, 2005

And the tears that fall
On the city wall
Will fade away
With the rays of morning light

coldpudding posted:

I have one of those NC scribers I found on the roadside sorry for the crummy old photo

Mine needs new belts and has a dead lcd but when I first picked it up I could put a pen in the holder and make it write what I typed on that wacky alphabetical keyboard, all up it weighs about 13 pounds due to there being a great big honkin power transformer inside the briefcase style base station.

That looks like something you'd see on the Mission Impossible TV show.

Trabant
Nov 26, 2011

All systems nominal.

Mister Kingdom posted:

That looks like something you'd see on the Mission Impossible TV show.

There's an alternate future somewhere out there where we're carrying around briefcases like that:



from

Arrath
Apr 14, 2011


A classier, vintage version of those people building raspberryPis into pelican cases (which are rad and I want one)

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day

this thing looks like a homebrew sequencer/synth

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


All this reminded me of portable/luggable encrypted phones from the 80's

https://cryptomuseum.com/crypto/telsy/tds2003/index.htm

But I was surprised that communication encryption suitcases are still a thing apparently:

https://www.digisat.org/norsat-cfk-200-compact-secure-communications-suitcase

CapitanGarlic
Feb 29, 2004

Much, much more.

By popular demand posted:

All this reminded me of portable/luggable encrypted phones from the 80's

https://cryptomuseum.com/crypto/telsy/tds2003/index.htm

Like this phone I too keep my dedicated cry button inside a locked case

Zopotantor
Feb 24, 2013

...und ist er drin dann lassen wir ihn niemals wieder raus...

LifeSunDeath posted:

this thing looks like a homebrew sequencer/synth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY4AeO7t7dE

Includes a section with the guy who built it.

Wayne Knight
May 11, 2006

Arrath posted:

A classier, vintage version of those people building raspberryPis into pelican cases (which are rad and I want one)

I'd rather have one of those colorful iBook G3s with a modern raspberry pi in it. I would pay way too much for that, especially if it was easy to swap out/replace the pi over time.

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day

Zopotantor posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY4AeO7t7dE

Includes a section with the guy who built it.

rollcage no helmet

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Why is he yelling?

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


If he's fond of music equipment and fancy cars it might be that he hosed up his hearing a bit.

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.
Clapping Larry

3D Megadoodoo posted:

Why is he yelling?

Sam has two settings, off and 11.

One Eye Open
Sep 19, 2006
Am I awake?

Zopotantor posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY4AeO7t7dE

Includes a section with the guy who built it.

If it's the one I think it is, I may actually have the electronics magazines that that synth was featured in. I might have to go and have a search.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Humbug Scoolbus posted:

Sam has two settings, off and 11.

And we are yet to see the 'off' position. It's still a rumour.

Trabant
Nov 26, 2011

All systems nominal.

Paper Tiger
Jun 17, 2007

🖨️🐯torn apart by idle hands


"Heh, yeah, it's got 4K static RAMs"

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010


How does he know - he's not even facing the magazine?!?

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


What would you even do with four thousand unmoving sheep's?

SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.
Whatever ewes want.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


In todays freight from a dude that likes to send me stuff to fix:

I LOVE the asthetic of this model with all the buttons all over the place. And bonus is it does both sides and RF AC3.


It's got an audio problem (probably with the AC3 side), and I'm unsure if this is a gift for me or I have to send it back. However this guy hates money when it comes to shipping stuff so also included an OG Xbox jsut to add to the wall I already have (and dump save/DLC data for the Insignia project)

TITTIEKISSER69
Mar 19, 2005

SAVE THE BEES
PLANT MORE TREES
CLEAN THE SEAS
KISS TITTIESS




By popular demand posted:

What would you even do with four thousand unmoving sheep's?

Wouldn't be a very good Dodge dealer.

DrBouvenstein
Feb 28, 2007

I think I'm a doctor, but that doesn't make me a doctor. This fancy avatar does.
I went into a small rabbit hole of looking at vintage cassette players on eBay and take a gander at this fella':


Ok, nothing special, portable cassette player with built-in AM/FM, see it all the time.

Wait, the gently caress is this?


The AM/FM functionality is from an INTERNAL MODULE that goes into the tape slot. Oh, but wait...does it take a tiny battery? And there's no magnetic head thingy like on those popular CD player cassette adapters from the 90's, so how does that work?

Well, you can see small contacts on the left side of the AM/FM module, and in this photo the corresponding power and audio contacts on the interior of the player:


Pretty clever...I guess?

Also...uhh...maybe DON'T include this close up of the nasty AF original headphones?


Edit: gently caress it, I bought it. Who knows what I'll do it it, lol. Maybe just occupy a spot on a shelf, IDK.

DrBouvenstein has a new favorite as of 16:28 on Apr 19, 2023

lobsterminator
Oct 16, 2012




DrBouvenstein posted:

The AM/FM functionality is from an INTERNAL MODULE that goes into the tape slot. Oh, but wait...does it take a tiny battery? And there's no magnetic head thingy like on those popular CD player cassette adapters from the 90's, so how does that work?

This is cool. And I still find those magnetic cassette adapters magical even though the technology is surely super simple. That kind of thing is many times cooler than any latest bluetooth things or whatever the latest wireless innovations are.

goblin week
Jan 26, 2019

Absolute clown.

DrBouvenstein posted:

Also...uhh...maybe DON'T include this close up of the nasty AF original headphones?


Edit: gently caress it, I bought it. Who knows what I'll do it it, lol. Maybe just occupy a spot on a shelf, IDK.

ill pay you 10$to put these on your ears

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JnnyThndrs
May 29, 2001

HERE ARE THE FUCKING TOWELS
I had one of those back in the day, it was a Toshiba and came with the AM/FM cassette module thingie. I think I saved the deck but the radio module is gone forever 😢

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