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T-Bone posted:McCann has been good for years, obviously not 40 goals good, but NHL GMs are of course, the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet. It is hilarious that the leafs traded essentially nothing to get him but only to get Seattle not to take Kerfoot (and to protect Holl). Would look pretty good instead of kerfoot or bunting. With Vegas and Seattle it rules how middling guys have turned into franchise players when actually given the opportunity. On last night I really expected that the leafs were gonna give Samsonov a big extension this summer, but lol. The goalie hunt continues.
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Again, head contact is legal as long as you get enough body along with it. That's why the penalty is called "illegal check to the head", because there are legal ones. It loving sucks but it's the rule.
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Duckman2008 posted:Somewhere in this thread is a legendary post on the career of a fighter who did play in the NHL plus like, 20 other leagues and did a whole bunch of crazy poo poo. That'd be my writeup on Bill "Goldie" Goldthorpe - https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3917510&userid=85759#post504286474 I had a few good writeups, especially later in the draft, if anyone cares to read them. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3917510&userid=85759
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Zodijackylite posted:That'd be my writeup on Bill "Goldie" Goldthorpe - https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3917510&userid=85759#post504286474 Gazumping Teemu's gimmick one pick before him remains my finest moment on this forum.
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rex rabidorum vires posted:Wonder if it has anything to do with not replacing the same hack of a coach that they should have replaced last year. Who knows? The problems with the team in the playoffs are so consistent year over year it’s just impossible to imagine letting Keefe off the hook for these performances. Like if I said “the Leafs struggled to break out against an aggressive forecheck and their forwards were frequently stood up in the neutral zone, while offensively the puck carriers settled for being pushed to the walls, never taking the puck to the net and having to settle for peppering shots from distance and hoping for rebounds at even strength” am I talking about last night, the series last year, Montreal, Columbus, or all of the above?
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Keefe keeps getting out coached but I'm not sure how much you can pin "Matthews forgets how to use his limbs come April" on him.
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Aphrodite posted:Again, head contact is legal as long as you get enough body along with it. The sport has some undumbing to do but I worry there won't be any brains left to get it done.
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I mean, most of the team front offices and the league office is comprised of former players.
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How different is the Leafs system to years past? Like during the regular season they were a better defensive team than they've been but is that just a results thing or did they switch things up beyond having different players?
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grack posted:Bunting has a hearing, hopefully to the surprise of no one https://twitter.com/markhmasters/status/1648714708365590528
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It's fun to look at the Leafs now and laugh at them because for like 30 years I was the fan of the team that wilted every postseason.
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Knies is going to do the same thing Brock Faber did and stake a claim for why he should never leave the lineup again.
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Mind_Taker posted:It's fun to look at the Leafs now and laugh at them because for like 30 years I was the fan of the team that wilted every postseason. At least we got out of the first round a bunch. Toronto can’t even do that.
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Keefe is going to dress Simmonds if Jeannot is good to go for game 2, coaching 101
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Cartoon Man posted:At least we got out of the first round a bunch. Toronto can’t even do that. Leafs have got the losing to the same team every year down pat, though.
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Aren't suspended players barred from practicing with the team? He got a match penalty, he's already considered suspended through the hearing. Fine them Bettman!
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:How different is the Leafs system to years past? Like during the regular season they were a better defensive team than they've been but is that just a results thing or did they switch things up beyond having different players? It’s mostly personnel imo, they still play a pretty passive structure with the points not getting pressure in favour of trying to gum up the lower half of the zone, they upped their rush chances this year but they try to force turnovers at the opposing blueline rather than their own. Matthews really upped his own-zone play this year to make up for the fact that he’s been way worse offensively with whatever injury, the fourth line and wing options are a lot more legit than they used to be defensively. e: oh and goaltending, Samsonov did have the best year by the numbers than any other Leafs starter under Keefe ThinkTank posted:Keefe keeps getting out coached but I'm not sure how much you can pin "Matthews forgets how to use his limbs come April" on him. There’s very little excuse for how ineffective Matthews/Marner/Tavares looked at evens last night but with Keefe coaching scared to start every series and getting immediately tactically outmatched it doesn’t surprise me that they struggle to get going and then get in their heads about it.
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in one of the games last night they kept mentioning trapezoids is that a specific four player formation? what happened to triangles
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actionjackson posted:in one of the games last night they kept mentioning trapezoids The trapezoid in hockey generally refers to the area behind the net where a goaltender is permitted to play the puck. Since 2006 goalies have been forbidden to play the puck in the corners below the goal line. This was a direct response to teams playing a shut down style and having a good puck handling goaltender like Martin Brodeur or Marty Turco basically act as a 3rd defenceman on dumpins resulting in a really low scoring style. If it's a defensive structure thing I've not heard the word trapezoid used. Generally the diamond is the defensive positioning teams employ on the penalty kill.  Goalies are only permitted to play the puck in the shaded area. If they touch the puck in the corner below the goal line it's a two minute delay of game penalty. The shaded area behind the net is the trapezoid where goalies will frequently go to stop pucks on dumpins. Sometimes they lose their spacial awareness and play it just outside that area and get a penalty. It's pretty uncommon these days since it's been a rule for almost twenty years and most players grew up with that as the norm. ThinkTank fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Apr 19, 2023 |
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actionjackson posted:in one of the games last night they kept mentioning trapezoids Goaltenders cannot play the puck behind the goal line outside of a specific area behind the net. This is the trapezoid. So they can't, for example, play the puck if it's shot in to the corner.
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actionjackson posted:in one of the games last night they kept mentioning trapezoids I think they're referring to the area behind the net where the goalie is allowed to handle the puck.
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Hi has anyone explained that the trapezoid is the area behind the net where the goalie's allowed to play the puck yet
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actionjackson posted:in one of the games last night they kept mentioning trapezoids There's a trapezoid behind the net that the goalie can handle the puck inside without penalty. Outside it is a delay of game. Otherwise, trapezoids are just triangles put together with 4-5 players. Similar concept, but it includes all players in a defensive structure. In a structured d-zone setup, you can watch the shape move from above, but generally it will keep something that looks like that shape.
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The trap-e-zoid is the strategy the Devils used to win their cups circa 2000.Jhet posted:Otherwise, trapezoids are just triangles put together with 4-5 players. Similar concept, but it includes all players in a defensive structure. In a structured d-zone setup, you can watch the shape move from above, but generally it will keep something that looks like that shape. Ok not to be a pedant (just kidding it is specifically to be a pedant) but when pundits say three players are making a triangle or four making a diamond shape and the graphics draw one on the ice I have to laugh because any three/four points make a triangle/diamond-ish shape when connected like that. But fine the talking heads were showing the TB PK using a diamond instead of a box. Precambrian Video Games fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Apr 19, 2023 |
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https://twitter.com/jonassiegel/status/1648719420783575042?s=20 Alright now we just need Schenn to come out for Liljegren and that looks like an ok lineup
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eXXon posted:Ok not to be a pedant (just kidding it is specifically to be a pedant) but when pundits say three players are making a triangle or four making a diamond shape and the graphics draw one on the ice I have to laugh because any three/four points make a triangle/diamond-ish shape when connected like that. It annoys me sometimes how bad commentators are at making clear that teams employ certain structural formations on the ice. The diamond is a short form for the 1-2-1 pk set up generally with a centre high, the left side defender and a winger around the hash marks and the right D down low. This is to contrast it from the box or 2-2 with is two forwards high and two defenders low. There's also the very aggressive triangle or 1-1-2 with a forward up super high pressuring the D, then the other three penalty killers tight to the net in a triangle formation. All have their strengths and weaknesses and powerplays are focused primarily these days on getting those structures to collapse by pulling it too far to one side or the other. Instead, as you say they just draw a square on the ice and say look at that! It makes a diamond! Which is entirely uninteresting and doesn't explain squat.
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eXXon posted:The trap-e-zoid is the strategy the Devils used to win their cups circa 2000. I didn't say it makes sense. But neither do most talking heads doing color commentary on hockey games. All the coaching stuff I find talks about triangles and gap control, and diamonds/boxes are what's used to talk about PK structure, so I was just guessing.
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Koopa Kid posted:https://twitter.com/jonassiegel/status/1648719420783575042?s=20 Yeah I don't know why liljgren hasn't drawn in. Schenn seemed fine, Holl was godawful but I don't know that you can take him out.
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Bruins coach just said Bergeron might not be back this series. I heard a rumor it's COVID, anyone else hear that?
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TrueChaos posted:Yeah I don't know why liljgren hasn't drawn in. Schenn seemed fine, Holl was godawful but I don't know that you can take him out. Holl got his butt in front of a Stamkos one-timer when the game was already mostly over so Keefe is gonna keep him in to PK no matter how many times he gets beat to the net or fails to clear pucks
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Holl and Schenn should both be scratched for Liljegren and Timmins but we know that's not happening.
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ok, thanks I think of the goalie in hockey like I do in soccer - to me it's the most difficult position to play, but that's just my opinion. There's no other position that is so influential to the final score (well, the other team's score). Unlike soccer though, I think the net in hockey is probably an appropriate size.
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Another Bill posted:Bruins coach just said Bergeron might not be back this series. I heard a rumor it's COVID, anyone else hear that? I sure as hell hope not
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WeaponX posted:Great now Marchand is a biological weapon 
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