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gently caress all of you, I'm right.
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Apr 20, 2023 05:02
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nine-gear crow posted:gently caress all of you, I'm right. Generations would have been better if Picard died and came back as an android and just machine-punched Soran to death.
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Apr 20, 2023 05:05
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Alan_Shore posted:I literally just did an effort post about how Generations is thematically resonant and well-written ! And I just said the individual scenes were really well written, it's the plot that's incoherent garbage.
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Apr 20, 2023 05:07
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Gaz-L posted:
"If there is to be a brave new world, our generation is going to have the hardest time living in it. Now go chop that wood, Kirk-dawg!" - Chancellor Gorkon, Star Trek VI
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Apr 20, 2023 05:07
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HD DAD posted:Generations would have been better if Picard died and came back as an android and just machine-punched Soran to death. "Time is the fire in which we--" *grabbed by wrinkly muscular arms, spinning piledriver* "NO PLEASE!"
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Apr 20, 2023 05:08
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I wish Picard had died under that bridge and Kirk buried him under some rocks.
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Apr 20, 2023 05:10
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Alan_Shore posted:"Time is the fire in which we--" The end of Star Trek: Generations if Brannon Braga and Ron Moore had any balls: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCpBl0ztuOk&t=96s That is Malcolm McDowell, by the way
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Apr 20, 2023 05:10
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But honestly watch 6 and 7 back to back and tell me Kirk's arc isn't great. It really is
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Undiscovered Country is the perfect send off for Kirk, and there was no reason to drag him back unless you had some kind of cool Star Trek thing for him to do. Instead of asking an elderly dude to fist fight a guy. Though I think they ran out of budget for that and opted to put it into the crash instead, which is incredibly stupid. Also that they couldn't even use a Vor'cha model or something that'd actually evenly match the Enterprise instead of a bird of prey.
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Apr 20, 2023 05:12
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Alan_Shore posted:But honestly watch 6 and 7 back to back and tell me Kirk's arc isn't great. It really is Kirk's arc from 6 to 7 is great up to the point where he gets spaced saving the Enterprise-B. It's everything that comes after it that kind of ruins what would have been a great ending for the man.
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Apr 20, 2023 05:12
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Generations was the most fun Star Trek movie and bringing together Picard and Kirk was so cool, and didn't feel super nostalgia baity like PIC does
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Trixie Hardcore posted:I wish Picard had died under that bridge and Kirk buried him under some rocks. Honestly if they made Generations today they would have kept Kirk alive and spun him off to his own show learning how to be a captain out of his time. Actually that might have been great, Shatner owns
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OctaMurk posted:Generations was the most fun Star Trek movie and bringing together Picard and Kirk was so cool, and didn't feel super nostalgia baity like PIC does Double dumbass on you.
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Apr 20, 2023 05:13
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I wish Kirk wasn’t in Generations at all and Picard took Guinan back to punch Soran instead and then there were two Guinans.
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I was a kid when I saw generations for the first time with my family and didn't really know anything about star trek. At the end of the movie, Picard and Riker are on the ruined bridge and Riker says "You know, I always thought I'd get a shot at this chair." I said "He could just sit in it right now, nobody's around." It got a big laugh from my parents.
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I wish Data had died in Generations, in fact I wish Data died in every movie, can’t kill that guy and bring him back enough imo.Lister posted:I was a kid when I saw generations for the first time with my family and didn't really know anything about star trek. At the end of the movie, Picard and Riker are on the ruined bridge and Riker says "You know, I always thought I'd get a shot at this chair." I said "He could just sit in it right now, nobody's around." It got a big laugh from my parents. lol
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Guinan definitely would have brought that big-rear end rifle back in time with her and vaporized Soran instantly
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This thread is going to have 700+ posts between now and when I wake up.
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Detective No. 27 posted:This thread is going to have 700+ posts between now and when I wake up. Im gonna spoil it for you. The finale doesnt redeem the rest of the season or the series. I havent watched it.
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Stay up and watch the shitshow with us, you can livepost from the front lines of mediocrity
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Everything has been leading to this moment.
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Well, trip report: There's some dumb stuff, some super dumb stuff, and a few really quite good moments. I think I'll rewatch it when I can pause and scan.
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At this point I just hope the space battles actually make sense and are not just explosions upon explosions and shaky cam mounted on a shaky cam intercut with dragged-out scenes of Jack undeciding stuff...maybe three or four times. C'mon, this hour is all Matalas ever wanted. Let's see what he's got.
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Plotac 75 posted:Well, trip report: There's some dumb stuff, some super dumb stuff, and a few really quite good moments. So basically a standard TNG movie!
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Alan_Shore posted:But honestly watch 6 and 7 back to back and tell me Kirk's arc isn't great. It really is I've never trusted 7 and I never will. I could never forgive it for eating 9.
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Having also just watched it recently, I thought Generations for the most part was great! I really enjoyed its basic premise and story, and Malcolm Mcdowell brought a great character hanging on the edge of sanity who still felt like he belonged in Star Trek. I wish we'd seen more of him, what he wanted from the Nexus and so on. Particularly I felt like the way they dealt with Kirk was a little lame, but the initial setup at the beginning of the film was a great cold open even if they couldn't get the actors they wanted. Agreed on the score, the visual effects as well. It seemed like a project that was very limited in scope and budget and they spent it in very precise places they knew would stick in folks' minds. Picard blowing up those god drat Klingons. The saucer crash that follows, and all the little people standing on it at the end. Kirk discovering, once again, that retirement is really boring. And little character building moments like Data slowly losing his gourd and then finding it again over the course of the film. I really liked it, though it was clearly both a strained and restrained production. As a film it was awesome still. Picard got rocks dropped on him by a laser bazooka and they implied he got cut in half and that's metal.
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CPColin posted:I've never trusted 7 and I never will. I could never forgive it for eating 9. You Klingon bastards, you killed my sum!
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nine-gear crow posted:The end of Star Trek: Generations if Brannon Braga and Ron Moore had any balls: All this did was remind me that there's a scene in Nemesis where Picard and Data fly around the bad guy ship in a tiny fighter and it made me sad.
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I wish that instead of Robert and darling little René dying horribly in a fire it had been Data. Patrick Stewart could have still done a big crying scene.
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I liked how Soran's gun was mounted on his wrist and did a little pivot thing.
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Nice Tuckpointing! posted:I liked how Soran's gun was mounted on his wrist and did a little pivot thing. PICAAAAAARD GET AWAY FROM THAT LAUNCHER *tiny gun servo noises*
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Eimi posted:Undiscovered Country is the perfect send off for Kirk, and there was no reason to drag him back unless you had some kind of cool Star Trek thing for him to do. Instead of asking an elderly dude to fist fight a guy. Though I think they ran out of budget for that and opted to put it into the crash instead, which is incredibly stupid. Also that they couldn't even use a Vor'cha model or something that'd actually evenly match the Enterprise instead of a bird of prey. ILM took a look at the script and John Knoll told Berman & Co., "You can have a kick-rear end space battle, or you can have the saucer crash you wanted two years ago. Pick one, you can't have both." This is why Generations has like five actual VFX shots of the battle, and recycled the Bird of Prey explosion from The Undiscovered Country.
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Timby posted:ILM took a look at the script and John Knoll told Berman & Co., "You can have a kick-rear end space battle, or you can have the saucer crash you wanted two years ago. Pick one, you can't have both." Glad I remembered correctly. That was absolutely the wrong call. Should've gone for the battle.
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No way, the crash rules and is one of the most memorable parts of the movie. It’s great physical miniature work.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:No way, the crash rules and is one of the most memorable parts of the movie. It’s great physical miniature work. But imagine that miniature work being done for a space battle instead. This also means they don't have to reuse the effect from the last film.
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Eimi posted:But imagine that miniature work being done for a space battle instead. This also means they don't have to reuse the effect from the last film. It does feel like they got ahead of themselves a bit and became so excited about blowing up the D and having it crash that they didn't really put a lot of thought into why it was blowing up and crashing in the first place.
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Jesus loving Christ, can I seriously not watch Star Trek movies on on Amazon Prime even though I have a Paramount Plus subscription? Streaming media balkanization is the dumbest loving thing.
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I've been binging Lower Decks and holy poo poo is this show amazing.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:Jesus loving Christ, can I seriously not watch Star Trek movies on on Amazon Prime even though I have a Paramount Plus subscription? Streaming media balkanization is the dumbest loving thing. They’re all on HBO Max right now because Paramount wanted some extra licensing dough
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