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Pablo Bluth posted:Define not worth it? The 6500 has a bunch more performance than integrated graphics, although the perf/price ratio is bad compared to going up a tier. For desktop and Sim City 4, a 6500 offers nothing over integrated graphics. For playing modern games at low settings, a 6500 will do much better than integrated graphics, but also takes a weirdly huge hit if you run it on a platform with PCIe 3.0. It only has a 4x PCIe interface, and really wants PCIe 4.0. I'd honestly think that for effika's target usage and if they're on Skylake with DDR4, I'd think about doing a motherboard / CPU upgrade instead to a 5600G, which you can get for less than $130 and re-use RAM, disk, case, etc. The 6500 really doesn't like old motherboards.  https://www.tomshardware.com/news/rx-6500-xt-pcie-gen3-gen4-tested
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Dont Touch ME posted:plan 9 is actually one of the easiest systems i've ever picked up and learned, i dunno I liked Plan9 a whole bunch. I wonder if I could give it another whirl. Right now I need:
Are these things possible? Docker seems like a no-go but honestly I never got too much further than Plan 9 from userspace
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Plan9 had a bunch of very neat ideas, but it didn't go far enough. that being said, it's a pretty easy jump from grid computing to clustered computing. you may find some of the projects this dude has worked on interesting: https://lsub.org/ Octopus itself is pretty neat. I wish dis/inferno wasn't 32-bit. cruft posted:Right now I need: cruft posted:Web browser with access to webcam and mic (and the awful OpenSC library, ugh) cruft posted:Acme cruft posted:Xterm emulator with ssh it works great. cruft posted:Docker have you ever tried to use namespaces/cgroups on linux without some third party system/framework like docker? it's loving terrible. on plan 9 it's as simple as opening a new shell or forking a process. cruft posted:Are these things possible? Docker seems like a no-go but honestly I never got too much further than Plan 9 from userspace there's nothing that makes any of the other software impossible on plan 9, but the ecosystem is sparse for things like CAD software, drivers, etc. porting unix software written in C is pretty easy thanks to APE and NPE. the latest C++ compiler that's available is cfront 3 which is obviously a pretty hefty blocker for porting a lot of things.
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Dont Touch ME posted:you don't need docker. that's how cool plan 9 is. I get what you meant, but I think this kind of response can seem really off-putting to people focused on practical solutions. I absolutely do need Docker. Building Docker stacks is how I am able to purchase food and electricity. Dont Touch ME posted:have you ever tried to use namespaces/cgroups on linux without some third party system/framework like docker? Yes. And you're right, this sort of thing is much, much simpler on Plan 9. If we ever meet in person we should get drinks and complain about the Berkeley socket API to each other. Anyway what I'm getting out of this is that I could nerd out on Plan 9 if I were willing to have a second Linux machine that I use to do the work that pays the bills. I might consider it! Thanks for answering my questions 
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ExcessBLarg! posted:Why not just run Plan 9 in QEMU or something? Or Plan 9 from Userspace
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Well, sure, that, but if you run Plan 9 in a VM you could lift the setup to run on actual hardware without having to change anything.
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ExcessBLarg! posted:Well, sure, that, but if you run Plan 9 in a VM you could lift the setup to run on actual hardware without having to change anything. Yeah, and you (probably) wouldn't have to beat your head against the desk when you discover there's no Plan 9 driver for your NIC or whatever. This could wind up looking a lot like how ChromeOS runs Linux, with 9p mounts inside the VM and some sort of thing to translate rio into wayland. Hmm.
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I know networking keeps getting faster, 200gbit+ is DRAM bandwidth but the latency is still orders of magnitude worse than RAM, right? I keep thinking process migration or letting a process on one machine directly allocate memory via RDMA on another machine now that we have such fast networking.
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cruft posted:I get what you meant, but I think this kind of response can seem really off-putting to people focused on practical solutions. I absolutely do need Docker. Building Docker stacks is how I am able to purchase food and electricity. yeah, i more mean it in the way of architecturally speaking. obviously a software stack that's built around docker needs docker. if we're touching computers in a vacuum, i find plan 9 a hell of a lot more practical than docker in the abstract. unfortunately computing is not done in a vaccum  i find plan 9 is a cognito hazard. it leaves me howling "THIS IS A FOUR LINE SHELL SCRIPT ON PLAN 9" when trudging through mountains config documentation. it's also why i roll my eyes when i hear someone say "most of plan 9's features are already implemented elsewhere". like yeah, you're not wrong, but after you're comfortable with plan 9 you realize that all of those features are haphazardly grafted on and are painful to use. i really got into plan 9 last year and i had fun using the computer for the first time in a very long time. there are some technical pain points which i don't see mentioned often. for instance: 9p is terrible if you have latency, so a wireless local grid can be annoyingly slow. 9front recently improved it, but it went from hundreds of kilobytes/s to a couple of megabytes/s which still isn't great. Octopus actually implements a new protocol to handle high-latency connections, which is nice. It's a shame that it's a dis/inferno stack, and thus 32-bit. ExcessBLarg! posted:Why not just run Plan 9 in QEMU or something? definitely do this. i only have 1 machine that runs plan 9 on bare metal. the rest of my grid lives as a bridged network of QEMU processes on my local server. You can also check out inferno (though you'll have to do a bit of fiddling to get it compiling. it's not too bad, just adding some -fcommon and ensuring you have multilib stuff) Inferno's userspace and featureset is very similar to Plan 9, with a bunch of extras (optionally typed shell!) and it runs as a local application on Linux, Windows, Mac, etc. Most of Plan 9's poo poo has been ported, including acme. It's kind of like that old JavaOS, or Microsoft's Project Singularity, but the OS itself is heavily inspired by Plan 9 and runs on the Dis VM (Bell Labs' answer to the JVM.) It's actually really loving nice. I wish I had enough time/was rich enough to hire a team to rewrite the Limbo compiler for 64-bit systems. It will give you the Plan 9 Experience from the comfort of an OS with drivers and C++ compilers. Some day I will retire and I will ONLY RUN PLAN 9 SYSTEMS. S-someday. Dont Touch ME fucked around with this message at 16:17 on Apr 20, 2023 |
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Dont Touch ME posted:i don't think it's right to think of plan 9 as a clustered system. it's a grid, which is a nuanced but important distinction. it's actually extremely similar to how we already use computers, just with a different workflow. rather than your web browser being an OS in and of itself, you use it in conjunction with your plumber to work the system. simple example: say you're browsing a video site, you scroll through the site, find a video you want to watch, plumb the link and your video player starts playing the remote resource, like pointing VLC at a youtube link. this is the plan 9 way of doing things, rather than playing the video in the browser itself. However, it's dangerous to get into a taxonomical argument about this, because ultimately the taxonomy only helps in talking about it, it doesn't actually make it work better. As for what I find interesting, it tends to be stuff that's used in production. I'm a system operator first; to me, it's neat that something has academic interest, but what ultimately matters is that something has been tested in production, and isn't just a hypothetical idea that lives on someone's laptop as a toy. I have this installed on my laptop, because there's a couple of binaries in the collection that I find quite useful - though of course now that I try to think of them, their names escape me. orz Twerk from Home posted:I know networking keeps getting faster, 200gbit+ is DRAM bandwidth but the latency is still orders of magnitude worse than RAM, right?
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:As for what I find interesting, it tends to be stuff that's used in production. Plan 9 itself has been used in production. It's used in a lot of different super computer projects even today, it was used in the Sydney Olympics, sees some usage in cell network infrastructure in a few places. The US Government uses it.... somewhere. They'll give you a glomar response if you make an FOIA req. Most of the 9front devs work at a smart appliance company that uses Plan 9 to run a bunch of their back end. IIRC Tivo boxes ran on Inferno. Inferno sees usage in network infrastructure too. It's free, you can just download it and spend some time with it. As a system operator, if you learn its grain, you'll come to love it on the basis of how easy and powerful it is. NDB is like a hosts file on steroids, and used in conjunction with user-specific namespaces allows you to easily handle procedural construction of network topologies. Setting up to termrc dial a single domain, which is defined in the NDB file, which can perform specific behavior based on the (authenticated) login name, issuing more NDB files, which are then loaded. Domains are associated with specific auth servers, file servers, cpu servers, etc. which sort of explodes out and defines your network topology including authentication. Something like having a remote filesystem is literally trivial, zero-configuration. There is an incredible amount of power that makes managing a networked system very breezy and simple in a way that Unix never was. Dont Touch ME fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Apr 20, 2023 |
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Latency is ~1ns for L1, ~4ns for L2, 10ns for L3, and ~130ns for main memory, and it's ~250-500ns for modern NVMe SSDs, 0.3μs for SFP+ and ~2.4μs for RJ45. That looks fully workable, so remote memory latency over SFP+ could be around 130ns + 300ns? I guess that you have switching in there too, so more like 300+300 for two links where you have machines connected to the same switch. That's less than an order of magnitude more latency and seems usable. What SSDs are sub-500ns latency? I'm looking at datasheets and seeing 50 microseconds or more: https://media-www.micron.com/-/medi...022a2f40d1b731e  I guess it's possible that SSDs have gotten 100x lower latency, but that's a surprising improvement in a short amount of time. Even Optane as reviewed is around 50us latency, or 50,000ns: 
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Twerk from Home posted:That looks fully workable, so remote memory latency over SFP+ could be around 130ns + 300ns? I guess that you have switching in there too, so more like 300+300 for two links where you have machines connected to the same switch. That's less than an order of magnitude more latency and seems usable. Here's the reals ones from a run-of-the-mill Samsung PM961 on my T480s running FreeBSD 14-CURRENT (from a few months ago): pre:zroot total_wait disk_wait syncq_wait asyncq_wait latency read write read write read write read write scrub trim rebuild ---------- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- 1ns 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3ns 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 7ns 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 15ns 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 31ns 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 63ns 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 127ns 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 255ns 0 0 0 0 240K 117K 4.40K 2.87K 193 340 0 511ns 0 0 0 0 5.06M 346K 513K 399K 31.7K 28.1K 0 1us 0 0 0 0 549K 345K 245K 795K 57.1K 107K 0 2us 0 0 0 0 95.2K 192K 17.5K 221K 5.72K 114K 0 4us 0 0 0 0 20.0K 18.8K 3.97K 62.1K 8.54K 13.5K 0 8us 0 0 0 0 8.90K 2.83K 1.57K 85.9K 11.6K 935 0 16us 0 0 0 0 1.76K 459 1.98K 171K 12.8K 87 0 32us 157K 0 172K 0 891 671 3.12K 383K 18.9K 178 0 65us 99.2K 905K 103K 6.13M 1.32K 168 7.10K 912K 6.80K 11 0 131us 5.48M 2.27M 5.75M 5.49M 2.56K 228 15.4K 1.32M 2.80K 3 0 262us 551K 2.57M 1.33M 953K 2.56K 379 34.7K 1.70M 2.86K 1 0 524us 586K 2.94M 986K 148K 2.23K 1017 42.5K 2.81M 4.33K 0 0 1ms 128K 2.22M 143K 25.8K 1.50K 4.05K 35.5K 1.55M 6.47K 1 0 2ms 75.0K 948K 27.9K 278K 818 2.30K 17.2K 786K 10.8K 52.2K 0 4ms 38.8K 780K 11.4K 471K 49 248 3.57K 613K 23.0K 133K 0 8ms 64.6K 508K 2.57K 44.8K 68 41 3.09K 436K 64.0K 259K 0 16ms 923K 309K 2.91K 1.15K 26 18 2.78K 261K 924K 848K 0 33ms 323K 97.3K 312 159 1 26 1.01K 78.2K 314K 866 0 67ms 63.5K 26.1K 4 12 0 0 1.34K 25.6K 59.9K 3 0 134ms 47.5K 6.38K 3 4 2 0 961 5.58K 46.5K 0 0 268ms 22.5K 577 0 1 68 0 2.92K 443 19.3K 0 0 536ms 1.68K 206 0 0 84 0 1.13K 206 459 0 0 1s 2.66K 144 1 0 38 0 2.63K 144 0 0 0 2s 3.22K 12 0 0 25 0 3.17K 12 0 0 0 4s 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 8s 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 17s 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 34s 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 68s 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 137s 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That long tail is huge though.
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I’m almost all set up here! But how do I get it to connect to the internet? It’s Ethernet rn. I have two different Wifi adapters, one of them combo Bluetooth and Wifi. Nothing automatically popped up when I plugged them in and I don’t see equivalents to the windows way of setting them up. I did try to open the Bluetooth mgr but it said my daemon wasn’t initialized. And I tried step one of a troubleshooting thing and it didn’t recognize command apt-get
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Mescal posted:it didn’t recognize command apt-get Why did you jerks convince this goon to install a weird distro?  OP, my guess is you need some proprietary driver firmware that the distro didn't install by default. You might have luck if you can find whatever forums or wiki or email list this distro uses and see what people are saying about firmware. e: incidentally, if I hadn't made it clear, I totally respect your attitude about trying crazy poo poo and powering through it until you get something working. That's how I do things too, and it's worked well for me. It's exhausting, though. cruft fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Apr 20, 2023 |
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Mescal posted:I’m almost all set up here! But how do I get it to connect to the internet? It’s Ethernet rn. I have two different Wifi adapters, one of them combo Bluetooth and Wifi. Nothing automatically popped up when I plugged them in and I don’t see equivalents to the windows way of setting them up. I did try to open the Bluetooth mgr but it said my daemon wasn’t initialized. And I tried step one of a troubleshooting thing and it didn’t recognize command apt-get Just install Fedora OP.
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This kind of roadblock is exactly why I’m using the weird distro. If my project were using wifi adapters, then I’d have to solve the exact same problem later after my bones were already in place.
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Mescal posted:I’m almost all set up here! But how do I get it to connect to the internet? It’s Ethernet rn. I have two different Wifi adapters, one of them combo Bluetooth and Wifi. Nothing automatically popped up when I plugged them in and I don’t see equivalents to the windows way of setting them up. I did try to open the Bluetooth mgr but it said my daemon wasn’t initialized. And I tried step one of a troubleshooting thing and it didn’t recognize command apt-get USB adapters? Then lsusb should tell you things about the device. One important piece of information is the vendor ID and product ID. For example: pre:Bus 003 Device 002: ID 0e8d:0608 MediaTek Inc. Wireless_Device Here vendor ID is 0e8d and product id is 0608. So you can google about drivers/how to make it work for a device with that vid/pid.
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Volguus posted:USB adapters? Then lsusb should tell you things about the device. One important piece of information is the vendor ID and product ID. For example: there was exactly one google result that looked like it would help me, but the 4th step was to install flatpak and i was like "it still doesn't have flatpak after all the installs ive done?" endeavour doesn't come with anything. i have the whole thing set up real nice except the goofy wifi card drivers. i gave up hours ago actually, and made a fedora install drive, it didn't like GRUB even though endeavor didnt have a problem with it, i got an ubunty install, too big for little usb drive, then i had company. authoring xubuntu iso now. i'll see if that one boots. it's a shame about this nice endeavouros install it's gonna burn lol edit: xubuntu also says it doesn't notice a thing when i put the wifi adapters in. LEDs don't light either. and it doesn't have the terminal commands the walkthru says it should. tried front and back usb slots. i'll carry it back upstairs tomorrow and see if it auto downloads drivers when it's got an ethernet cable plugged in to it. i'm suspicious there's something funky with this hardware, but... hey, 90% chance it works when i pop the firmware in. drivers. whatever. Mescal fucked around with this message at 07:29 on Apr 21, 2023 |
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Those installers are normally pretty good at automatically installing the needed drivers for all your strange cards. Assuming the device is plugged in while you are installing. Also, if you plan to blindly follow the guides, you probably should stick with normal Ubuntu over xubuntu.
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Mescal posted:there was exactly one google result that looked like it would help me, but the 4th step was to install flatpak and i was like "it still doesn't have flatpak after all the installs ive done?" endeavour doesn't come with anything. i have the whole thing set up real nice except the goofy wifi card drivers. i gave up hours ago actually, and made a fedora install drive, it didn't like GRUB even though endeavor didnt have a problem with it, i got an ubunty install, too big for little usb drive, then i had company. authoring xubuntu iso now. i'll see if that one boots. it's a shame about this nice endeavouros install it's gonna burn lol I’d suggest trying Knoppix, just to see if it detects your wifi adapter.
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I had the same experience that Mescal is having now when I tried to install FreeBSD a year or two ago haha.
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Dont Touch ME posted:Most of the 9front devs work at a smart appliance company that uses Plan 9 to run a bunch of their back end.
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Mescal posted:there was exactly one google result that looked like it would help me, but the 4th step was to install flatpak and i was like "it still doesn't have flatpak after all the installs ive done?" endeavour doesn't come with anything. i have the whole thing set up real nice except the goofy wifi card drivers. i gave up hours ago actually, and made a fedora install drive, it didn't like GRUB even though endeavor didnt have a problem with it, i got an ubunty install, too big for little usb drive, then i had company. authoring xubuntu iso now. i'll see if that one boots. it's a shame about this nice endeavouros install it's gonna burn lol A simple thing you can check: dmesg | tail Insert the WiFi dongle dmesg | tail and see what new messages have appeared. Sometimes they can be informative, though as a start it'd be good if anything happened. I'm sure there's an applicable journalctl command you can use instead of dmesg | tail, but this is at least easy to remember. (dmesg prints log messages from the kernel, and with tail you just get the last few lines.)
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Computer viking posted:A simple thing you can check: You can also do "dmesg --follow" (two dashes there) to have it print lines as they're generated. Control+C to exit.
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Oh yeah, that's a better idea.
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Computer viking posted:I'm sure there's an applicable journalctl command you can use instead of dmesg | tail, but this is at least easy to remember. code:code:Do: code:You can adjust the filter by changing the flag after -p to the different log levels. These are the levels: 0: Emergency. The system is unusable. 1: Alert. A condition has been flagged that should be corrected immediately. 2: Critical. This covers crashes, coredumps, and significant failures in primary applications. 3: Error. An error has been reported, but it is not considered severe. 4: Warning. Brings a condition to your attention that, if ignored, may become an error. 5: Notice. Used to report events that are unusual, but not errors. 6: Information. Regular operational messages. These do not require action. 7: Debug. Messages put into applications to make it easier for them to debug them. You can do a bunch of other filtering and such if you find it's too cluttered to follow. Or add more info if you're looking for it. Its man page is pretty good.
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acetcx posted:You can also do "dmesg --follow" (two dashes there) to have it print lines as they're generated. Control+C to exit. I'm so used to doing tail -F /var/log/messages (or wherever the system log text is at, depending on the Unix-like) that it never occurred to me that you can just read lines from the system message buffer as they're added.
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VictualSquid posted:Those installers are normally pretty good at automatically installing the needed drivers for all your strange cards. Assuming the device is plugged in while you are installing. You mean "if you install while connected to the internet?" or there are a million drivers on the install iso? xubuntu looks like a tiny os for babies Mescal fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Apr 21, 2023 |
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Mescal posted:You mean "if you install while connected to the internet?" or there are a million drivers on the install iso? There would be drivers for exotic devices that are autoinstalled if the autoinstaller detects that the divices are there. Otherwise they are not installed by default. My old laptop's wireless drivers are like that. No idea if it needs internet connection to install those, I connect to the internet during install anyways to be safe.
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Huh, that's an interesting flag. Doesn't seem to be in FreeBSD dmesg, but it would be a nice thing to have, and I don't see any good reason to not add it. If I'm reading the man page correctly, it fetches the content from the sysctl - is there any sensible way to sleep until there's new content there?
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Computer viking posted:Doesn't seem to be in FreeBSD dmesg, but it would be a nice thing to have, and I don't see any good reason to not add it. If I'm reading the man page correctly, it fetches the content from the sysctl - is there any sensible way to sleep until there's new content there? Also, as mentioned before, tail -F /var/log/messages already does exactly what you're asking for - so you can just alias it to dmesng.
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:As a programmer, I'm still a pretty terrible florist. That's already how I follow logs, yes - it just seemed like it'd be nice to point people at a flag in a man page, doubly so if it's portable from Linux. Doesn't look like there's a select-equivalent for sysctls, so it looks like it'd be more work than it's probably worth.
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Computer viking posted:That's already how I follow logs, yes - it just seemed like it'd be nice to point people at a flag in a man page, doubly so if it's portable from Linux.
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Well, dmesg itself is also different - you can't just pipe it to tail. What do you mean? In the most literal sense, that works fine if you just want to see the messages about the last USB device you plugged in.
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