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Strikers also has the character who wants to be a cop get told “no don’t they all suck”
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And none of those things are even the best part of Strikers! The best part is Sophie, obviously.
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Strikers also (spoilers for 4th Jail) lets Ryuji swear.
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Dawgstar posted:Also Strikers rules because Makoto fights on Joanna as a motorbike. Yeah I really appreciate the effort that went in to giving everybody a unique flare to their skillset. Makoto fights on Joanna, Haru swings her big heavy axe around like a maniac, Morgana turns into a car and runs fools over, etc. When I imagine in my mind's eye summoning your Persona and fighting shadows, Strikers is a lot closer to it than a turn-based RPG fight. ApplesandOranges posted:Strikers also (spoilers for 4th Jail) lets Ryuji swear. Ryuji slowly burgeoning into Sophie's dorky older brother is really sweet.
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Apr 20, 2023 19:43
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Sapozhnik posted:I am really liking Strikers a lot more than I thought I would. The gameplay isn't fantastic or anything but that's mostly because the ai (heh) controlled party members keep getting their poo poo wrecked or burning through their SP way too fast. The bones of the action combat are decent enough but I mean if you have played one musou you have played them all I suppose. In my experience, the AI seems to get hit more or less depending on how often you're hit. When I'm avoiding all attacks, my party members never seem to get hit either, but when I get hit they start getting hit.
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Apr 20, 2023 19:50
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But then the squad moved on again and finally started to break up the established mission pattern. I wonder where this is all leading.
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Sydin posted:
Futaba is too self-sufficient and snarky and Sumire doesn't exist in Strikers, so he doesn't exactly get a lot of chances to actually be a rad senior. I also like that his love for ramen actually comes in handy.
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Ytlaya posted:In my experience, the AI seems to get hit more or less depending on how often you're hit. When I'm avoiding all attacks, my party members never seem to get hit either, but when I get hit they start getting hit. The AI sadly does not account for immunity and absorption as far as I can tell. "Mona, please get out of the way of Thor's attack, you DON'T drain lightning!"
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Apr 20, 2023 21:49
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Yeah, even if you're immune to the boss' attacks you still have to put effort into dodging because your party members do seem to survive better when you do. Found that out on the second jail.
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Apr 21, 2023 00:18
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Girl protag in Persona 3 Portable doesn't get the MMO social link. 
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Apr 21, 2023 18:04
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I said come in! posted:Girl protag in Persona 3 Portable doesn't get the MMO social link. FWIW: I think it ended up being better this way 
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Apr 21, 2023 18:13
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At least the replacement social link is memorable for, uh, other reasons.
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Apr 21, 2023 18:27
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So I've only played Persona 5 Royal. You get perks from getting further in social links. I'm playing Persona 3 and I haven't gotten any perks from social links (besides SEES). I also haven't maxed any out. Is there some sort of bonus for maxing them out other than extra XP from fusions?
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Apr 21, 2023 19:28
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The final boss cutscene will be different depending on your max social links.
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Apr 21, 2023 19:29
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Oh so it's just story? Not that I have an issue with that I was just making sure I wasn't getting perks they didn't tell me about.
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You'll also get a unique top level fusion for each arcane when you max it out. That is you'll unlock the ability to fuse it. The extra EXP is also very useful. At level nine you'll get enough to only need one level through battle to unlock a persona's last skill, and those are usually the best.
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If you max a Link you can also fuse a special Persona.
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RenegadeStyle1 posted:Oh so it's just story? Not that I have an issue with that I was just making sure I wasn't getting perks they didn't tell me about. Yeah, I was disappointed to see no gameplay effects from making s-links with (nearly all) non-party in 4, so I guess it's something new to 5.
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Prowler posted:Yeah, I was disappointed to see no gameplay effects from making s-links with (nearly all) non-party in 4, so I guess it's something new to 5. It was a smart thing to do and I expect it to be continued on in future games.
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really? people wont stop bitching about ohya because her bonus effect is poo poo
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Tired Moritz posted:really? people wont stop bitching about ohya because her bonus effect is poo poo They could put some more thought into the bonuses they give but in general the concept is sound and even at her worst Ohya gives charisma with rank ups which is still better mechanically then anything before P5.
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Also I think more people complain about Ohya because.. well.. Ohya The fact that her bonuses are bad is just the icing on the cake
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Tired Moritz posted:really? people wont stop bitching about ohya because her bonus effect is poo poo Even if Ohya's confidant abilities were the best in the game it wouldn't change the fact that her S.Link is at its worst creepy and at its best just kinda loving boring honestly? You mostly sit at a bar and listen to her talk about another character you never meet and never even really get a sense for beyond being very important to Ohya in some undefined manner. And unlike say, Death in P4 which is similarly a more laid back S.Link where you just listen to a character tell stories, I at least never felt like Joker was building a genuine rapport with Ohya in the same way Yu does with Kuroda.
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Ohya's a reason I rated Devil the worst social link arcana across P3/P4/P5 in the earlier discussion.
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Weird Pumpkin posted:Also I think more people complain about Ohya because.. well.. Ohya Plus that terrible haircut.
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Honestly thought Ohya was fairly interesting as a character; the entire link taking place in the bar is pretty neat and fits well with her life basically being ground to a halt and it mostly being her own motivation being shot that keeps her there. It's very different to the other links at the least made it pretty neat. Her being like the only Confidant to have a direct tie to the general main plot of the game is also fairly interesting but incredibly underutilized; though it definitely just feels right for her to be the one to find the woman that initially testified against Joker. Her abilities are hot garbage for sure though, Royal makes them marginally better but still; it's so weird since the framing is her writing papers about the Phantom Thieves where Joker decides the material as well so it'd be prime for rumor-esque effects like asking her to write articles that boost treasure demons or something like Chihaya.
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Sydin posted:Even if Ohya's confidant abilities were the best in the game it wouldn't change the fact that her S.Link is at its worst creepy and at its best just kinda loving boring honestly? You mostly sit at a bar and listen to her talk about another character you never meet and never even really get a sense for beyond being very important to Ohya in some undefined manner. And unlike say, Death in P4 which is similarly a more laid back S.Link where you just listen to a character tell stories, I at least never felt like Joker was building a genuine rapport with Ohya in the same way Yu does with Kuroda. Becky's link is probably creepier for the first half (some serious power dynamics at play there), but it's made up for with some funny moments, actual mechanical benefits, and the latter half of the link being alright.
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ApplesandOranges posted:Becky's link is probably creepier for the first half (some serious power dynamics at play there), but it's made up for with some funny moments, actual mechanical benefits, and the latter half of the link being alright. Yeah with the caveat that there's really only a certain level a story about a thirty-something teacher dressing up in a skimpy maid outfit for their underaged student can ultimately rise to, the non-romantic version of the S.Link actually ends up surprisingly wholesome. Becky's circumstances are in the broad strokes similar to Joker's: she tried to do a good deed and the repercussions of it consumed her life, and the story becomes about them wanting to help one another as something of kindred spirits. What Joker's success ultimately means for Becky's character and outlook are genuinely uplifting too, like in terms of feel good outcomes it is one of the best S.Link's in the game. The romantic version... look I've said it before it's all just pixels, date whoever you want, but man I've seen the dialogue for this route and it's creepy as gently caress. Like Joker essentially pressures her into a romantic relationship after Becky tries to swerve away from it multiple times and just, ugh.
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Sydin posted:The romantic version... look I've said it before it's all just pixels, date whoever you want, but man I've seen the dialogue for this route and it's creepy as gently caress. Like Joker essentially pressures her into a romantic relationship after Becky tries to swerve away from it multiple times and just, ugh. Hashino's Thing About Women™ makes a lot of the relationship aspects of these games less lovable.
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I think Ohya is fine (or at least as fine as any of the adult characters are, and probably more than Kawakami). Does she have a really annoying voice in the English dub or something? The degree of the negative reaction just seems really strange to me; she doesn't come off as much better or worse than any of the other confidants. The "Joker dating an adult" thing also doesn't bother me as much as that sort of thing normally would, mainly because Joker isn't really a teenager - he's an empty vessel through which the adult player acts (and his behavior doesn't really resemble that of a teenager as a result). Out of all the adult characters, Kawakami bothers me the most mainly because she's also your teacher (and thus has a weird relationship with the protagonist even if you ignore age). If anything, Ohya and Chihaya have the most normal relationships with Joker among the adult confidants (with Chihaya probably being the most normal overall) - both Kawakami and Takemi have some kind of weird stuff going on in their relationship/interactions with Joker.
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He isn't REALLY a teenager, he's just a high school student who's about 16 years old being controlled by adults (maybe).
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Independently of age or status all of the Confidants have stuff going on that means a relationship just afterward is likely unwise, but that's just how things work in RPGs I guess.
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Which is why I'm fond of Kasumi's implementation, because you spend so much time just hanging out and doing mundane things before the stuff. If the stuff had been something else entirely, it could've even been a perfectly healthy and normal relationship!
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Ytlaya posted:I think Ohya is fine (or at least as fine as any of the adult characters are, and probably more than Kawakami). Does she have a really annoying voice in the English dub or something? The degree of the negative reaction just seems really strange to me; she doesn't come off as much better or worse than any of the other confidants.
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If Sayoko didn't exist in P4 it would be somehow the most 'wholesome' game of the four in terms of romance, despite Yosuke and Teddie existing. I guess at least you can't date Sayoko...Sydin posted:Yeah with the caveat that there's really only a certain level a story about a thirty-something teacher dressing up in a skimpy maid outfit for their underaged student can ultimately rise to, the non-romantic version of the S.Link actually ends up surprisingly wholesome.
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Weird Pumpkin posted:Also I think more people complain about Ohya because.. well.. Ohya Even as all the adult romance S.Links are terrible and bad, Ohya's still manages to be the worst. Joker pulling "Uh, yeah, I thought we were dating for real" and Ohya having her brain crack open and decide she did too. Commander Keene posted:She's voiced by Amanda Winn-Lee in English, the same VA as Yukiko. Some people enjoy the headcanon that Yukiko finally got out of Inaba and became a cynical reporter.
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Ytlaya posted:
It’s not Skyrim, you’re not making your own character, you’re playing as a defined dude with defined characteristics, one of which is that he’s a 16 year old. It’s the flip of the thing I’ve seen people say, “well it’s weird to romance the other characters because they’re teenagers and I, the player, am an adult” which is just silly.
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between the relative lack of like, romantic tension in any social link and the silent protagonist, the "romances" are so loosely defined that i honestly can't be bothered to care one way or another
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Feels Villeneuve posted:between the relative lack of like, romantic tension in any social link and the silent protagonist, the "romances" are so loosely defined that i honestly can't be bothered to care one way or another I feel like Kasumi's link works pretty well, but that's mostly because the game gives them a whole bunch more time before you can even come close to doing the romance part to have a bunch of little scenes together like sharing an umbrella and stuff If they're gonna do more romance links in P6 (and I can't imagine they won't) it'd be cool if they pruned the number a whole bunch and put more focus on them like that imo. Makes them feel a little less weird overall
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