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BurningBeard posted:Mass terrain manipulation stuff is my favorite in games like this. Makes you feel extremely powerful to change big masses of land like that. It's why I loved using Arctic Empire in AoW 3, even though it was mostly just a free pass for Frostlings to invade me.
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Jabarto posted:It's why I loved using Arctic Empire in AoW 3, even though it was mostly just a free pass for Frostlings to invade me.
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Splicer posted:Path of Frost in AoW2 was the absolute best. I've not been on top of the dev diaries, any sign of that returning? From the cannibal orcs video we saw the arctic-spreading magic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7pKeH1cLb4&t=2102s Like in AoW 3, it's a late-game tech and seems to function very similarly. The siege video/diary drops within 24 hours, should be pretty fun. Ceramic Shot fucked around with this message at 00:19 on Apr 20, 2023 |
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Ceramic Shot posted:From the cannibal orcs video we saw the arctic-spreading magic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7pKeH1cLb4&t=2102s
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Splicer posted:Path of (x) were unit abilities where every hex you (left? Entered? I forget which) got turned to the appropriate terrain. So Path of Death let you run around elfland messing up their favoured terrain bonuses and such. Haven't seen any of that yet in 4. I think the terraforming since Planetfall tends to be province-wide. The paintbrush got fatter. One funny late-game terraforming Nature spell I've seen removes a forest hex from a province and gives you a full stack of strong animal and ent-like units. The T2 Tome of Glades lets you create new forests too.
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PaybackJack posted:One of the reasons I always include the Forestation operation on my galactic empire runs. Even if it's not actually effecient to turn everything into a forest, I love the idea of being able to do so. Mountain Breaker for me- not only does it give you usable terrain, but as long as it's not Fungal you get a potential level 5 Production or Energy sector, which is certainly nothing to sneeze at!
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I'm trying to figure out overwatch in planetfall and between what I've read online and what I'm seeing in game I'm wondering if it was changed in a patch. I've never seen a non-agile overwatch unit make more than a single shot. Doesn't matter how many action points I have when I set up overwatch, units only shoot once. I thought this was intentional until trying Dvar Bulwarks, who shoot three times unless they get staggered. I think this is why I found vanguard miserable to play. I don't know how to hold off melee with a single shot. I stopped using overwatch entirely during the vanguard campaign and things got much better. Edit: I could be misreading things but triple overwatch was really noticeable with bulwarks and I just had some t1 neutral critters walk through syndicate 3-action overwatch and take hardly any damage. Edit: After some more testing I might also just be an idiot. Overwatch doesn't seem great though. KPC_Mammon fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Apr 20, 2023 |
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Overwatch banks all your AP, yeah, so if you want to overwatch with a repeating weapon you don’t want to move a long way first. It’s very good vs. enemies that you outrange and can force to approach you, since your overwatch shots will be on enemies running at you and are therefore out of cover. Overwatch also counters Skitter, since the skitter bonus is only active after the skitterer moves, and is cleared at the beginning of their turn. Skitter doesn’t help if a skitterer is shot mid-move. Enemies you DON’T outrange will just shoot you from beyond the edge of your overwatch cone, and since overwatch is 1 tile shorter range than your normal shots are, you won’t be able to shoot back. If you can’t take a good shot vs. an enemy you don’t outrange it’s often better to just go into defense mode to get the 25% dodge bonus and unflankability instead. Overwatch is really useful but it’s not a thing you should do all the time, it’s often better to just hunker or reposition.
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KPC_Mammon posted:Edit: After some more testing I might also just be an idiot. Overwatch doesn't seem great though. Overwatch isn't that great in most cases, particularly with low tier ranged troops that don't have any supporting skills for it. Often you'll be shooting things on the very edge of your range which means you have a hefty accuracy penalty and won't be doing a lot of damage due to miss/graze. It's definitely not meant to allow you to mow down melee units before they can reach you (though that can happen on occasion), it's an alternative to defending.
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On the other hand, Vanguard Troopers get +15% accuracy from overwatch in cover, so if you have some other accuracy buffs (usually from setting things on fire) it is a bit more valid a tactic, especially if you're hugging a Promethean Aegis tank. I don't go all in on overwatch, but I do often have one or two Troopers specialized for it with something like Interlocking Armor, Rail Accelerator, and some sort of Firearms status affecting mod as a modest deterrent to specific enemy threats taking the most direct route.
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overwatch is also a great way to apply status effects. Dvar Bulwarks are good from the very start of the game for this. With Agile Overwatch (3 overwatch shots even if they only have 1 AP) and Flechette Rounds they can toss bleeds on whatever moves into range, setting them up to get completely murdered next turn. Shakarn Deadeyes are also very good for this after tech has developed a bit - there's a lot of amazing Sonic debuffs, so you can move them towards defensive or offensive buffs as seems appropriate. for Vanguard its a good idea to get the firearms mod that grants +range. that also applies to overwatch and because of the way range bands work out it makes attacking a Vanguard Trooper overwatch camp *much* more dangerous. Midgame when i'm no longer putting Cosmite towards Troopers, i usually use a trooper model with just that mod as a horde unit.
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Mzbundifund posted:Overwatch also counters Skitter, since the skitter bonus is only active after the skitterer moves, and is cleared at the beginning of their turn. Skitter doesn’t help if a skitterer is shot mid-move.. Worth noting that in player hands you can move your pustule back and forth between the same 2 hexes, then have them dip their toe into the overwatch area to deplete enemy overwatch shots on a unit that now has 40% evasion (on top of the accuracy penalties they take for firing at the edge of their shooting range)
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when aow4 comes out is a new thread being made or is this just being renamed
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HallelujahLee posted:when aow4 comes out is a new thread being made or is this just being renamed I think we should make a new thread, but I'm not going to do it myself.
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The thread is not particularly big or unwieldy, and a new thread would probably also serve as a posting space for Planetfall since the series has a relatively small audience that generally plays all the games. Might as well keep Planetfall legacy posts easily on hand in the same thread. Assuming the OP is still around and willing to retool the first posts.
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I vote shiny new thread.
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I vote keep old thead since it will probably serve as a general AoW thread anyway.
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Thyrork hasn’t posted in over a year so the OP won’t get updated, we’ll need a new thread
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Nrw thread is fine, but I suggest to make it a general Age of Wonders one.
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OperaMouse posted:Nrw thread is fine, but I suggest to make it a general Age of Wonders one. not a bad idea
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Mzbundifund posted:Thyrork hasn’t posted in over a year so the OP won’t get updated, we’ll need a new thread OperaMouse posted:Nrw thread is fine, but I suggest to make it a general Age of Wonders one. Good point and good suggestion!
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Mzbundifund posted:Thyrork hasn’t posted in over a year so the OP won’t get updated, we’ll need a new thread I also think a new thread would be a good idea.
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There are some streams going currently. The latter two below are German. Quill18: https://twitch.tv/quill18 Steinwallen: https://twitch.tv/steinwallen Mauriceweber: https://twitch.tv/mauriceweber
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Anno posted:There are some streams going currently. The latter two below are German. Thanks for this! I'm watching Quill's stream and I'm super hype for the game.
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Anno posted:There are some streams going currently. The latter two below are German. thanks so far im liking what im seeing
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HallelujahLee posted:thanks so far im liking what im seeing Yeah, the last official stream showed that High socieites have an ascension mechanic that looks rad af to interact with. I'm looking forward to seeing what all the different socieites have to work with to beef themselves up in battle. i'm so pumped to play as tree toads in 10 days.
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I'm surprised how taken I am with the game from the streams honestly, it looks like there's a lot of crunch to get involved with.
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Arrrthritis posted:Yeah, the last official stream showed that High socieites have an ascension mechanic that looks rad af to interact with. I'm looking forward to seeing what all the different socieites have to work with to beef themselves up in battle. yeah its been awhile since aow3 and this looks much better
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Halfway through Quill's stream and the game looks so good, and pretty polished. Hopefully this lets AoW break through a bit into a more recognizable and widely played tier of game. edit: I like that Quill equipped a couple random support items and the combat AI discovered a good combo attack using them: https://clips.twitch.tv/ObliviousPreciousPheasantFailFish-74H8c2usgJOa6vaU Anno fucked around with this message at 02:57 on Apr 23, 2023 |
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Anno posted:There are some streams going currently. The latter two below are German. Thanks for the links! Unable to understand the Euros, I still skipped around them for a bit, and mein gott are the national stereotypes accurate in these streams. Steinwallen (German) is still on turn 8 at the three-hour mark of their stream. Chiches (Spanish) grabs a ~victoria militar~ on turn 22 (and turn 10 on his second game).  He also helpfully pointed out that Sapiencia Frogger has tremendos manos. Ceramic Shot fucked around with this message at 08:49 on Apr 23, 2023 |
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Arrrthritis posted:Yeah, the last official stream showed that High socieites have an ascension mechanic that looks rad af to interact with. I'm looking forward to seeing what all the different socieites have to work with to beef themselves up in battle. I look forward to dipping my toe in the water for a few days and then hitting up Breath of the Wild 2. I don't want to go too hard on this because I know if I dislike it, as I did with Planetfall initially, it could take some coaxing to get me to try the expansions which really smoothed out the game. Paradox and Firaxis are both companies that I find put out decent stuff at launch but the real deep dive comes with the first expansion.
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Ceramic Shot posted:Thanks for the links! Steinwallen was a history teacher (I think). He played on hard and was killed by his AI neighbour of moles. I like his style of streaming, not hysterical but thoughtful. He is usually one of the contenders for victory in German multiplayer streamed matches in Vic3, Civ6, KoH2 etc. I watched a bit of Chiches, and he played on Easy, rushing to earn extra's for his Pantheon, of which he had already unlocked 4. So he had been playing a lot off screen already.
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Quill was talking about there not being an undo option for movement in the tactical screen. If that’s true can we please get that back? Manual retry of failed auto combat and being able to undo movement that hadn’t resulted in an AoO are the two biggest QoL improvements from Planetfall.
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Bouquet posted:Quill was talking about there not being an undo option for movement in the tactical screen. infinite undo in Old World is so loving good it immediately felt like every other tbs in history has been doing it wrong (because they are)
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victrix posted:infinite undo in Old World is so loving good it immediately felt like every other tbs in history has been doing it wrong I was so shocked playing Tactics Ogre for the first time over the Christmas break and seeing that the game not only gives you an undo up to a large number of actions but also remembers decision trees so if you do something and are mildly satisfied you can back up, do some other stuff and if it doesn't work as well just jump right back to the end of the first path you took. So nice when most developers are trying to out-think players save scumming and what not. We need more of these designers that "lean in" to letting people dick around however they like in a single player mode.
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yep, it absolutely makes playing both of those games an objectively better experience for me I *hate* the save reload shuffle in aow, at it's worst when you're still learning what you can handle
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There’s an undo but it only works if you’ve moved and not taken damage. Maybe Quill didn’t see the button? I’d love a proper undo system like in Fire Emblem 3H, but unfortunately it’s just not technically viable to add something like that! The game also makes a save at the end of each turn in combat, and there’s a Restart Combat button too. I am the biggest save scummer, snd use it all the time. As an aside, if you have cheats enabled in Planetfall (and maybe AoW3 too? I forget…) the RESTART cheat will restart combat.
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While we've got you, Gerblyn, I was wondering--are there any big changes in damage calculation from planetfall? I feel like all the numbers (health pools, defense values) are a little bigger than I'm used to seeing, what's the story there? Couldn't be more excited for release, by the way, it looks like a masterpiece.
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