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anatomi
Jan 31, 2015

Between inflation, overpriced food, extra rent hikes and decreased or even frozen wage increases, we all gotta chip in.
To build that guillotine.

I just wanna shoot myself. I'm looking for a rental apartment in Malmö. I've lived in a three-person collective on Möllan for about 12 years, where we've shared a 100 m² four-room apartment. The rent's unusually low because we've steadfastly refused any attempts from Heimstaden to "renovate" the place, and because we're annoying as gently caress about what should constitute "normalslitage".

The rent usually lands at around 9 500 SEK. I'm now looking at 1-room apartments at the same level of rent, or in some cases even higher. And so many of the old small property owners have disappeared — giants like Heimstaden have bought all their stock.

I guess I should be happy that we have any rental apartments left at all.

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evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

Jack Trades posted:

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/stockholm/konflikten-mellan-lokforarna-och-mtr-eskalerar-hotar-med-strejk
https://vildstrejkpendeln.blogg.se/

Train drivers are about to go on an "illegal" strike, the kind that their union is actively against, because the union is too busy licking the boots and asking for more.
direct action gets the goods

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

Beeswax posted:

The train driver's stike is on. Good opportunity to put your money where you mouth is, if you can spare some cash.


That's the spirit

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

well that went over quick. guess we'll see in an hour what LO+YS and NHO agreed upon

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer
I wish people would stop vagueposting about national news

NFX
Jun 2, 2008

Fun Shoe

Beeswax posted:

I wish people would stop vagueposting about national news

It's because they're embarrassed about their news outlet of choice, or don't know where to find a source in English, I suppose. And also because there's nothing of substance to report yet: https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/seneste/storstrejken-i-norge-er-afblaest-efter-fire-dage

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

between the biggest union and employer, anyway. YS are still on strike until further notice

ulvir fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Apr 20, 2023

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

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it's frustratingly difficult to figure out what the specific terms of the accord are, but i guess that means that nobody's leaking poo poo at this stage and are being serious instead.

for foreigners: there was a limited general strike in the initial wage negotiations in norway. these include the so-called "frontfag" negotiations in export-oriented businesses, which set the standard for all other salary negotiations for the year. the conflict wasn't really about the total sum of pay increases, but about the distribution of these increases. notably, the rejected proposal was leaked and contained a framework for wage increases of 5,2%, against a 4,9% projected inflation - a moderate real terms pay increase nominally. however, out of those 5,2% 1,9% were supposed to be negotiated locally, which in practice means that those 1,9% would've been distributed more heavily among groups with strong local negotiating positions. effectively this would've pushed quite a few people, especially in relatively marginal parts of the private sector, into another year of real-terms pay cuts. this is not really sustainable for the big unions, so they went to a pretty exceptional step of doing an off-year strike over the issue.

they seem to have planned the escalation pretty cleverly, starting out with luxury goods with serious impacts in largely non-unionised sectors (i.e. shutting down breweries and candy factories etc), which piles up the pain on NHO's membership organisations without exposing LO's strike fund to much of an issue when people get furloughed. the reason the strike got resolved now was because some major electrochemical plants were about to get shut down, which would have been enormously expensive and which seems to have brought NHO to the table with more satisfactory terms. the details are not fully clear to me, but at least there seems to have been an arrangement where low-wage people get a flat krone-value increase in their hourly wages which should guarantee them a wage development above 4,9% in the large majority of cases. LO membership is also up. from my limited vantage, this looks pretty much like an unqualified success for LO; they got their core demand, have shown some teeth and tactical acumen and have increased their stature and membership.

e. YS (a smaller, yellow, labour confederation) has also accepted the deal

BlankSystemDaemon
Mar 13, 2009




NFX posted:

It's because they're embarrassed about their news outlet of choice, or don't know where to find a source in English, I suppose.
In case people are running into this and don't know about them, I recommend thelocal.dk and thelocal.se.
I would recommend thelocal.no, but it doesn't exist. orz

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

if KS (the municipal/county equivalent of NHO in the public sector) won’t fork up at least 4,9% for everyone across all levels of education and seniority in the non-state public sector after this, and especially in light of the last teachers’ strike, I’m going to be pretty pissed

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

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ulvir posted:

if KS (the municipal/county equivalent of NHO in the public sector) won’t fork up at least 4,9% for everyone across all levels of education and seniority in the non-state public sector after this, and especially in light of the last teachers’ strike, I’m going to be pretty pissed

the vibe i'm getting is that everyone sort of agrees that the municipal sector is going to get a generally decent deal because of how insanely lovely last year was for you guys, but with KS you never know

Threadkiller Dog
Jun 9, 2010
Men lol.
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/stockholm/facket-stoppar-ensamarbete-pa-pendeln

Now they do it? Guess they felt enough public support in the wind or something.

Nice piece of fish
Jan 29, 2008

Ultra Carp
It's really interesting how labour doesn't seem to want anyone outside of Oslo voting for them.

Bold strategy, Støre.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Nice piece of fish posted:

It's really interesting how labour doesn't seem to want anyone outside of Oslo voting for them.

Bold strategy, Støre.

Not as bold as strategy as the one Rødt is using where the main goal seems to be disliked by everyone.

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

Nice piece of fish posted:

It's really interesting how labour doesn't seem to want anyone outside of Oslo voting for them.

Bold strategy, Støre.

I don't see anything wrong with the suggested leadership. two actually almost-young and competent as second in command is a good thing. whatever dialect any of the three at the head uses is mostly irrelevant

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

that party already has a massive deficit of young (-ish, sub 50) talents, might as well secure the few you have

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Somebody wants Mette Frederiksen as Secretary-General of NATO. On-brand to put the two greatest monsters in recent Danish history in that seat, I guess.

https://www.vg.no/nyheter/utenriks/i/O8e8Rq/opplysninger-til-vg-mette-frederiksen-skal-vaere-oensket-som-nato-sjef

vuk83
Oct 9, 2012

SplitSoul posted:

Somebody wants Mette Frederiksen as Secretary-General of NATO. On-brand to put the two greatest monsters in recent Danish history in that seat, I guess.

https://www.vg.no/nyheter/utenriks/i/O8e8Rq/opplysninger-til-vg-mette-frederiksen-skal-vaere-oensket-som-nato-sjef

We are not going Dane, Norwegian, Dane. Its not going to happen

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:
It's Finland's turn.

BonHair
Apr 28, 2007

vuk83 posted:

We are not going Dane, Norwegian, Dane. Its not going to happen

I think maybe the Turkish president could be up?

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

BonHair posted:

I think maybe the Turkish president could be up?

I can't imagine a worse outcome

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

V. Illych L. posted:

it's frustratingly difficult to figure out what the specific terms of the accord are, but i guess that means that nobody's leaking poo poo at this stage and are being serious instead.

for foreigners: there was a limited general strike in the initial wage negotiations in norway. these include the so-called "frontfag" negotiations in export-oriented businesses, which set the standard for all other salary negotiations for the year. the conflict wasn't really about the total sum of pay increases, but about the distribution of these increases. notably, the rejected proposal was leaked and contained a framework for wage increases of 5,2%, against a 4,9% projected inflation - a moderate real terms pay increase nominally. however, out of those 5,2% 1,9% were supposed to be negotiated locally, which in practice means that those 1,9% would've been distributed more heavily among groups with strong local negotiating positions. effectively this would've pushed quite a few people, especially in relatively marginal parts of the private sector, into another year of real-terms pay cuts. this is not really sustainable for the big unions, so they went to a pretty exceptional step of doing an off-year strike over the issue.

they seem to have planned the escalation pretty cleverly, starting out with luxury goods with serious impacts in largely non-unionised sectors (i.e. shutting down breweries and candy factories etc), which piles up the pain on NHO's membership organisations without exposing LO's strike fund to much of an issue when people get furloughed. the reason the strike got resolved now was because some major electrochemical plants were about to get shut down, which would have been enormously expensive and which seems to have brought NHO to the table with more satisfactory terms. the details are not fully clear to me, but at least there seems to have been an arrangement where low-wage people get a flat krone-value increase in their hourly wages which should guarantee them a wage development above 4,9% in the large majority of cases. LO membership is also up. from my limited vantage, this looks pretty much like an unqualified success for LO; they got their core demand, have shown some teeth and tactical acumen and have increased their stature and membership.
gently caress yes.

jaete
Jun 21, 2009


Nap Ghost

A Buttery Pastry posted:

It's Finland's turn.

jaete posted:

Finnish PM Sanna Marin, who just lost an election a few days ago (her party was third), says she will step down as party leader in September. Article (in Finnish)

Quote: "SDP Chairperson Sanna Marin does not intend to continue leading the party after the September party conference."

Meanwhile elsewhere in Europe: "Stoltenberg's mission as secretary general was extended for another four-year term, meaning that he was to lead NATO until September 30, 2022.[3] However, due to Russia's invasion of Ukraine in 2022, his term was extended further by another year.[4]"

:thunk:

:haw:

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

vuk83 posted:

We are not going Dane, Norwegian, Dane. Its not going to happen

And Løkke will become PM without a proper mandate for the second time. Mette is said to be frantically looking for some Kurds to gently caress over.

TLM3101
Sep 8, 2010



Alhazred posted:

Not as bold as strategy as the one Rødt is using where the main goal seems to be disliked by everyone.

I know, but please believe me that some of us are trying to tamp down the worst of it.

e: Not that couple of the speakers at the current landsmøte hasn't made me want to :suicide:

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

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ulvir posted:

I don't see anything wrong with the suggested leadership. two actually almost-young and competent as second in command is a good thing. whatever dialect any of the three at the head uses is mostly irrelevant

the issue is that it's once again very concentrated on the old gro-stoltenberg-støre circle of influence. it also means that two of the top leadership figures in the party are now second-generation millionaires, which is not necessarily the best look.

still, vestre's a pretty good politician and brenna sort of had to come in. it's an ok constellation all told

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

TLM3101 posted:

I know, but please believe me that some of us are trying to tamp down the worst of it.

e: Not that couple of the speakers at the current landsmøte hasn't made me want to :suicide:

Maybe it would be better if you went back to the proud communist tradition of :commissar: instead? :haw:

V. Illych L. posted:

the issue is that it's once again very concentrated on the old gro-stoltenberg-støre circle of influence. it also means that two of the top leadership figures in the party are now second-generation millionaires, which is not necessarily the best look.

still, vestre's a pretty good politician and brenna sort of had to come in. it's an ok constellation all told

Ap is looking more and more like Høyre light, they can get hosed.

TLM3101
Sep 8, 2010



Wibla posted:

Maybe it would be better if you went back to the proud communist tradition of :commissar: instead? :haw:


Much as I'd like to, we really can't. ( I am, of course, joking. )

To be clear, I'm not in any position of influence, and I'm following the webcast of the meeting, but Jesus loving hopalong Christ could the dumb fuckers like Mobasheri maybe try and not make things more difficult for my local? Is it really too much to ask?

e: Doesn't help that Moxnes apparently can't or won't call him on it, either.

e2: v You're not wrong.

TLM3101 fucked around with this message at 12:53 on Apr 23, 2023

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




TLM3101 posted:

Much as I'd like to, we really can't. ( I am, of course, joking. )

To be clear, I'm not in any position of influence, and I'm following the webcast of the meeting, but Jesus loving hopalong Christ could the dumb fuckers like Mobasheri maybe try and not make things more difficult for my local? Is it really too much to ask?

e: Doesn't help that Moxnes apparently can't or won't call him on it, either.

TLM3101
Sep 8, 2010



Thank.

You.

loving.

God.

https://www.aftenposten.no/norge/politikk/i/Xbe9yo/roedt-snur-aapner-for-vaapenstoette-til-ukraina

Aftenpoften posted:

Med 106 mot 73 stemmer vedtok Rødts landsmøte søndag å åpne for våpenstøtte til Ukrina.

Det var et overraskende stort flertall for forslaget, som Rødt-leder Bjørnar Moxnes har gått inn for.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Hats off to Rødt for actually putting it to a vote instead of just letting the parliamentary group run their own show like Enhedslisten, who then can't even even be bothered to read legislation before they push the green button.

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

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SplitSoul posted:

Hats off to Rødt for actually putting it to a vote instead of just letting the parliamentary group run their own show like Enhedslisten, who then can't even even be bothered to read legislation before they push the green button.

the central commitee originally went against sending arms, in accordance with the general programme of the party for the period. to overrule that you need a vote. however, now that this vote has happened, there will probably never be another; foreign and security policy is now likely permanently transferred from the party at large to the parliamentary group.

the idea that this is an "unexpectedly large majority" is pure nonsense, though - the delegate distribution key made it very difficult to predict, but the faction in favour of normalisation has been much better organised and had a much stronger institutional base (the parliamentary group and Klassekampen) than the opposition.


well it's a first step towards full normalisation of the party. i hope your faction know what you're doing, because there's a very clear path from this resolution to the end of rødt as a socialist party along the SV line.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

You'll be rubberstamping Libyas and racist legislation in no time. :neckbeard:

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

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SplitSoul posted:

You'll be rubberstamping Libyas and racist legislation in no time. :neckbeard:

i don't see how we don't approve of a libya intervention under the present line. the party line during the actual libyan intervention was arming the rebels rather than direct intervention as-is (imo clearly wrong policy, but it's a historical fact - regime change was the official line, the objection was that the intervention was seen as a NATO-imperial project); there now seems to be no principled reason not to use norwegian military force in a multilateral way to achieve the same ends. the leadership's official line is even that the armaments process has nothing to do with NATO since the NATO bureaucracy is not directly involved; this makes something like libya much easier to swallow so long as it's not in an explicitly NATO-based context, which it can always be argued that it isn't. in fact, several people have been arguing that libya and the yugoslav interventions were not NATO-based conflicts along the same lines while SV were debating the NATO issue.

we'll see how it goes. i certainly have no intention of letting the TLM3101s of the party have too easy a time of it.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011





Good for them I guess. Of course their vote is completely irrelevant by now and the fact that they waited so long make them look like a party who's more concerned about political infighting than saving lives. Case in point:

V. Illych L. posted:

i certainly have no intention of letting the TLM3101s of the party have too easy a time of it.

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

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Alhazred posted:

Good for them I guess. Of course their vote is completely irrelevant by now and the fact that they waited so long make them look like a party who's more concerned about political infighting than saving lives. Case in point:

i would use you as the same thing, actually - this response quite clearly illustrates how the vote in and of itself is not going to make the party more palatable to people who care deeply about this outcome. this, of course, never had anything to do about "saving lives" (as though that were a priority for the norwegian government's ukraine policy at all!), but about the neutralisation of rødt's security policy as an often-inconvenient and awkward thing for the leadership to have to explain.

the stakes involved here were never broader than the party's internal posture. nothing in norwegian policy is going to change as a result of this vote; the only thing that has changed is the party itself, where the parliamentary group and the clique around moxnes have successfully exerted significant influence over a contentious issue.

to be clear, i lost here, and i anticipate more defeats in the near future; you, alhazred, are winning and imo you can safely gloat a little.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




V. Illych L. posted:


to be clear, i lost here, and i anticipate more defeats in the near future; you, alhazred, are winning and imo you can safely gloat a little.

And it's this kinda attitude that has been Rødt's problem. Instead of treating the russian invasion of Ukraine as something that has actual stakes, it has been treated as a purely rhetorical debate that can be won or lost.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Seems like Denmark and Norway should be able to scrounge up more than a day and a half worth of artillery shells between them then, doesn't really seem like 1991 borders energy to me.

TLM3101
Sep 8, 2010



V. Illych L. posted:

i don't see how we don't approve of a libya intervention under the present line. the party line during the actual libyan intervention was arming the rebels rather than direct intervention as-is (imo clearly wrong policy, but it's a historical fact - regime change was the official line, the objection was that the intervention was seen as a NATO-imperial project); there now seems to be no principled reason not to use norwegian military force in a multilateral way to achieve the same ends. the leadership's official line is even that the armaments process has nothing to do with NATO since the NATO bureaucracy is not directly involved; this makes something like libya much easier to swallow so long as it's not in an explicitly NATO-based context, which it can always be argued that it isn't. in fact, several people have been arguing that libya and the yugoslav interventions were not NATO-based conflicts along the same lines while SV were debating the NATO issue.

we'll see how it goes. i certainly have no intention of letting the TLM3101s of the party have too easy a time of it.

Nor would I expect you to. In this case, opening up for arms to Ukraine is - at least from my standpoint - about arming a nation that's under assault by another. If it's wrong to just stroll into a country when the US does it, it's wrong when Russia does it. And we can discuss the finer point about how many angels can dance on the head of the head of this particular foreign-policy pin, but the fact remains that Putin decided to invade Ukraine, and the Ukranians backed the government when it decided to fight the invasion. We can argue back and forth about NATO and the US and 'provocations', and what they've done before, but at its core, this question is about : Do we send arms to support another nation in its struggle against foreign aggression?

After thinking about it a great deal and trying to consider all my own biases, conscious and unconscious, I landed on yes, in this instance we should. Maybe it's just me, but it seems like that is a different thing than picking a side to support in a civil war as in Libya.

And, as Alhazred says, this isn't some esoteric point of debate. The reason I'm thanking God that enough people voted to send arms isn't that my side 'won' or that now the door is open so that we can cackle evilly and bless imperialist invasions in the future, it's because I hope that in this one, single, specific instance, this will help the people being invaded fight off the invaders and make a negotiated settlement happen sooner rather than later.

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SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

TLM3101 posted:

Maybe it's just me, but it seems like that is a different thing than picking a side to support in a civil war as in Libya.

Oh right, that's how it was presented at the time, I completely forgot.

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