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Her apparent explanation is just "I actually mean the exact opposite of the thing I wrote" which i don't think is a very credible explanation.
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Kaveman posted:lol this is why the corbyn project failed. That's she's an experienced politician and rights campaigner doesn't get her a get out of jail free card, it makes it worse. I don't care if the right are jumping for joy over this, we should hold ourselves to better standards than them. She loving compared the plight of Jewish people to people being bullied for having red hair.
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Mega Comrade posted:That's she's an experienced politician and rights campaigner doesn't get her a get out of jail free card, it makes it worse. I don't care if the right are jumping for joy over this, we should hold ourselves to better standards than them. She also did the same for Roma (also genocided by nazis Holocaust Memorial Day Trust), Irish & travellers. I notice a singular lack of being pulled up on that by the various on twitter. Jel Shaker posted:i feel like diane abbot had a good run but it’s time for a new generation to Yes, I'm afraid I agree with you. This was a 'misspeak' too far. Also much as I love Jam Grandad, I think his time is up as a potential party leader or mayor for London or any of the other things he is being called upon to do. Some of his recent interviews he is beginning to come across very frustrated & exasperated (fully understandable but it is held against him because if he isn't 100% perfect he gets pounced on all round). Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Apr 23, 2023 |
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The older I get the more I feel that the actual details just do not matter. Why even bother knowing who said what in the political slap fight of the week. It's all just patterns, a means to an end, and yeah we will step back and realise this was always a systematic purge of the labour left. That's how the history books will record it.
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Apr 23, 2023 17:14
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I'm real glad I have no personal investment in the labour party anymore, goddamn what a mess didn't get the alert despite being rigged up for it, in reception and with other phones in the room going off for it some bullshit rip off of the yankee EMS tones as well, for shame, gimme some bonechiller stuff direct out of protect and survive/bbc sound workshop
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Yes, I'm afraid I agree with you. This was a 'misspeak' too far. If it had been verbal then it might be different. But I just don't buy her excuse of it being an early draft.
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Mega Comrade posted:That's she's an experienced politician and rights campaigner doesn't get her a get out of jail free card, it makes it worse. I don't care if the right are jumping for joy over this, we should hold ourselves to better standards than them. She's not just an "experienced politician and rights campaigner". She's a black women, the first to be an MP in the UK, and has suffered racism first hand in and outside of Westminster her entire life. So maybe there's a conversation to be had here. Not an instant banishment for trying to talk about racism.
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I forgot everything about this alert thing and I had just put the needle down on a record I hadn't really listened to that often, but then there was this horrible noise and I thought I'm pretty sure this record isn't supposed to sound like this, and then I looked at my phone, and it was the alert thing, but it was only 14:59. That was my DANGER ALERT story.
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Apr 23, 2023 18:18
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I've heard of popular indie rock band Klaxons, but this is ridiculous!
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Apr 23, 2023 18:22
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 Footage of when my alert went off.
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Desiderata posted:The older I get the more I feel that the actual details just do not matter. Why even bother knowing who said what in the political slap fight of the week. It's all just patterns, a means to an end, and yeah we will step back and realise this was always a systematic purge of the labour left. That's how the history books will record it.
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Diane Abbot absolutely is an experienced politician and civil rights campaigner and I think she’d be pretty loving annoyed to be told otherwise. I don’t see what conversation can be had from this, other than ‘don’t compare the plight of Jewish people to that of ginger people’.
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D oyou hate shaving. I hate fucing shaving.. I have 2 weeks growths weeks now I have to get rid of. I loving hate shaving. (ps dianee abbot is a fucing idiot)
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Maximum Pepsi posted:D oyou hate shaving. hello no_one
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Maximum Pepsi posted:D oyou hate shaving. how many fingers am I holding up
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No alert for me either. Am on Three, and phone was running Marvel Snap at the time the alert was sent - maybe having a heavy duty app running stops it? Or Three just didn't bother to pass it on?
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Angrymog posted:No alert for me either. Theres been articles saying three customers, and the networks using it (like mine - smartie) have had issues
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Kaveman posted:She's not just an "experienced politician and rights campaigner". She's a black women, the first to be an MP in the UK, and has suffered racism first hand in and outside of Westminster her entire life. what sort of conversation would you start with "being Jewish is like being red-haired" I like Diane, I've supported her for a long time, but I think she's in the wrong here
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Apr 23, 2023 19:44
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It did always seem to me that there being an alternative definition of racism in academic circles compared to common usage was going to be a recipe for disaster. It takes a few extra words to explain to people that most manifestations of racism doesn't look like a scene in Heat of the Night, but that's going to be more effective than approaching a sensitive topic while being misunderstood straight out the gate.
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kecske posted:hello no_one no_who its (not me honist guv) me and i still dont like tearing the growth out my face. I dont keep uo with the popular thread, did fridge corn get to drive an F40?
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Julio Cruz posted:I like Diane, I've supported her for a long time, but I think she's in the wrong here I think she's so far in the wrong, and combined with the quite bizarre apology that maybe she should go see her doctor, in case her illnesses have gotten worse and she needs some extra support.
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If Labour were determined to address this fairly, they'd do so in a similar way to if a Labour MP e.g. went on television during a time of great international solidarity and protest for Black people and started spouting thinly veiled Ku Klux Klan konspiracy theories. So a second apology, the party slinging 50 grand at some Jungian quack to give her some box ticking exercises while mumbling about unconscious bias, and a staged photo of her taking the knee in a room with zero Black people, like with Keir. (Not sure how you'd do that last one, maybe David Baddiel's makeup artist could help.) As it is, they have had zero intent on addressing this fairly from the outset. It's good in a way that they've gotten rid of the last of their civil rights veterans so brazenly though, because I can just treat them with the same naked contempt and lack of nuance that they treat everyone else with. 
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Apr 23, 2023 20:58
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if I were in this situation I would simply not create a taxonomy of different bigotries
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Apr 23, 2023 21:45
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the thing is this situation is like just her deciding to do it. She took it upon herself to write several drafts, before sending the first one, to a newspaper in response to an article no one asked her about.
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Lt. Danger posted:if I were in this situation I would simply not create a taxonomy of different bigotries Yeah, this thing is just incredibly frustrating. I love Diane Abbott but this letter is such a massive own goal for literally no reason, just indefensible bullshit. I had heard she was having some health issues, massive stress for sure... wish she had just retired or something before writing such letters. Now she's done massive damage with this thing and will be forced to retire anyway. 
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Maximum Pepsi posted:D oyou hate shaving. just don't shave one weird trick shaving supply companies hate it I mean you then have to keep the beard clean and trimmed otherwise horrors will lurk within, but it's less maintenance than fuckin' shaving
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DesperateDan posted:I mean you then have to keep the beard clean and trimmed citation needed
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Diane comes across as entirely thick sometimes. Also, don't need phone alerts when there's a flashpoint.
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for some context, from 2017 https://medium.com/@AmnestyInsights/unsocial-media-tracking-twitter-abuse-against-women-mps-fc28aeca498a quote:Our sample of 900 223 tweets between 1 January and 8 June was drawn from social listening tool Crimson Hexagon. Crucially, because we could only download historical Twitter data, our sample did not include tweets that have been deleted or tweets from accounts that were suspended or disabled.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:citation needed less of a paper and more of the feeling you get when you realise you were flirting with the cute person at the social interaction with a hotdogs worth of mustard and onions stacked in the ol' bristles
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Convex posted:for some context, from 2017
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Bug Squash posted:It did always seem to me that there being an alternative definition of racism in academic circles compared to common usage was going to be a recipe for disaster. It takes a few extra words to explain to people that most manifestations of racism doesn't look like a scene in Heat of the Night, but that's going to be more effective than approaching a sensitive topic while being misunderstood straight out the gate. This is a good point. It reminds me of how a couple of years ago people* were saying, "The Irish were enslaved, and they got over it and aren't asking for reparations. Why can't the African American community be like them?" The response was a really dumb "actually I think you'll find that the Irish were made into Indentured Servants..." Something that is true from an academic point, but ignores a lot of the history and emotions around these experiences. When you try and make an argument like that, you are leaving yourself wide open to having your opponents spin your words into "so what you are saying is Indentured Servitude was not that bad?" Diane Abott has done the same thing, making an argument with the assumption that since it's factually correct** everyone will accept it as being brilliant and right. And not that you are saying something that can be easily turned against you by your political enemies. * =granted these people were at best contrarian American boomers. At worst racist, white nationalists. And American Boomers. ** = And even then, her letter had a bunch of wrong points. Like the Irish couldn't just go to America whenever they wanted and immediately be welcomed with open arms, Diane. I wonder, did you even consider looking into why that might not have been the case.
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American boomers both claim they were an integral part of the Irish civil rights movement because they are 1/16th Irish and also deny that it happened and everyone just worked hard and got over it, depending on who's asking.
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I grew up diving into patches of nettles and hucking bricks at abandoned factory windows while soldiers trained rifles on me and my mates in the school line each morning. You would be amazed how little affect the concept of not assuming someone else's gender or sexuality had on this robust chicanery.
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