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Apr 26, 2023 13:17
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I can't believe how hard the refs are screwing Minnesota this series, where the net power plays are dead even.
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DOOMocrat posted:I can't believe how hard the refs are screwing Minnesota this series, where the net power plays are dead even. this chart would be far more effective with the legend so i had literally any idea what the highlighted column was
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Apr 26, 2023 13:32
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The 0.00 stat in the "penalties are even" post can safely be inferred to be net penalties
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Which is impressive with Foligno playing like an unhinged jackass.
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Somehow Wyatt Johnston has six minutes. Which is impressive because he doesn't look like he shaves yet.
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Minnesota’s special teams being hot garbage probably makes it seem like all penalties screw them, whether against them or the other team.
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:Minnesota’s special teams being hot garbage probably makes it seem like all penalties screw them, whether against them or the other team. *nods mournfully*
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:Minnesota’s special teams being hot garbage probably makes it seem like all penalties screw them, whether against them or the other team. This is accurate. I didn’t really like the call standard changing in yesterday’s game, but neither did the Dallas fans itt from the complaining going on. It didn’t fit with the standard set in the other four games. And I’m not talking about the Foligno play here either. Just a lot of other stuff that wouldn’t have been called in games 1-4.
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rex rabidorum vires posted:Because it's not a board. Not a hit from behind in the numbers facing the....boards. Everyone look at the professional pedant being wrong about the boarding rule. Unless your point is that the refs never call it correctly either, in which case, poorly communicated!! And also still wrong because Rielly on Point was not even a week ago!
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Apr 26, 2023 15:45
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eXXon posted:Everyone look at the professional pedant being wrong about the boarding rule. The lesson here is sometimes plays can actually be more than one penalty. The goal is usually to call the one with the more useful progression or the more violent option. And Boarding being a physical foul versus a restraining foul with Interference could have been the better call. At the end of the day it’s both and they both have the same options for penalties available. So it doesn’t really matter as long as they call one of them for the action.
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Jhet posted:This is accurate. All I ask is for the officiating to be consistent and to make sense. It hasn't, and this is a complaint I have a lot when it comes to playoff hockey. We sum it up as "playoffs are tougher" but I genuinely don't know if refs could explain their rationale for how they call things differently. It's maddening.
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Shinjobi posted:All I ask is for the officiating to be consistent and to make sense. It hasn't, and this is a complaint I have a lot when it comes to playoff hockey. We sum it up as "playoffs are tougher" but I genuinely don't know if refs could explain their rationale for how they call things differently. It's maddening. Some of it is just getting different refs on the games, some of it is what they had for lunch that day, how they're feeling, their concentration level, and a bunch of other things. It's really hard to maintain a consistent standard by yourself and it gets much more difficult when you have 5 refs that would call a play in 5 different ways. They have the benefit of doing 100 games a season and also getting video reviews and video sessions, so they have a lot more tools available to maintain that consistency.
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Jhet posted:The lesson here is sometimes plays can actually be more than one penalty. The goal is usually to call the one with the more useful progression or the more violent option. And Boarding being a physical foul versus a restraining foul with Interference could have been the better call. At the end of the day it’s both and they both have the same options for penalties available. So it doesn’t really matter as long as they call one of them for the action. And the heading DOPS puts it under doesn't matter, because fines and suspensions are not bound by penalty type.
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Aphrodite posted:And the heading DOPS puts it under doesn't matter, because fines and suspensions are not bound by penalty type. Not to mention they can change them to a different penalty call when it gets to DOPS anyway.
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Suspending someone after your own referees reviewed a penalty and downgraded is just incredible, even for NHL officiating. Like, they miss something behind the play, whatever, but they literally reviewed it. If that's not an immediate trigger for that crew not to be on any more games I don't know what is. Has there been some NHL 1984 double-talk about how a suspendable play isn't necessarily a major penalty because I'd love to read that poo poo
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Tanner Jeannot may have 0 points in this series, but man was his head good at accepting Luke Schenn punches David Poile saved his best for last, good lord what a fleecing
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T-Bone posted:Suspending someone after your own referees reviewed a penalty and downgraded is just incredible, even for NHL officiating. No double talk, but I wasn't listening to the national feed on the McCann hit by Makar. There was a fair amount of surprise that it was only 2 minutes at the time. The Foligno hit last night went the other way where they were surprised it wasn't downgraded, but Brad Meier was sticking with it was always going to be the 5 + auto game misconduct. I think they probably stuck with the 5 minutes because of an apparent injury, but there was some argument in the studio about it being 2 or 5 because of how Faksa changed body position right before contact was made. I said in the GDT I could see it going either way then and I could still see it going either way the next time it happens. Mostly because of the difference between which refs you get that night.
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Shinjobi posted:All I ask is for the officiating to be consistent and to make sense. It hasn't, and this is a complaint I have a lot when it comes to playoff hockey. We sum it up as "playoffs are tougher" but I genuinely don't know if refs could explain their rationale for how they call things differently. It's maddening. Yeah, there is something systemically broken with NHL reffing right now. It's not about "it's a fast game and they can only see so much", the problem is 100% in their decision making. It's not about "you can't call everything or the whole game would be penalties" because the players aren't stupid(Nick Foligno excepted), and will usually only do what they will get away with. With games being called so inconsistently players just carry on doing dirty poo poo because it probably won't get called, and they have no idea what will be called anyways. "Evening up" on calls is dumb because when calls come is affects the game more than how many are called overall. Game management is points shaving, and it's clearly still happening even with sports betting on games now. I think it also factors into the refs losing sight of what their loving job is.
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There is more complaining about playoff officiating now because; there are actually calls now.
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Jhet posted:No double talk, but I wasn't listening to the national feed on the McCann hit by Makar. There was a fair amount of surprise that it was only 2 minutes at the time. The Foligno hit last night went the other way where they were surprised it wasn't downgraded, but Brad Meier was sticking with it was always going to be the 5 + auto game misconduct. I think they probably stuck with the 5 minutes because of an apparent injury, but there was some argument in the studio about it being 2 or 5 because of how Faksa changed body position right before contact was made. I said in the GDT I could see it going either way then and I could still see it going either way the next time it happens. Mostly because of the difference between which refs you get that night. https://www.nhl.com/video/makar-suspended-one-playoff-game/t-277440360/c-16839457 Interesting that the review doesn't attempt to absolve the decision to downgrade at all, everything in there could have easily been applied to the penalty on the initial review, despite I guess Hakstol being really pissed and saying McCann is likely out for the series (which is of course, the real reason for the suspension).
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DOOMocrat posted:There is more complaining about playoff officiating now because; there are actually calls now. You mean this year or just modern playoffs in general?
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Shinjobi posted:You mean this year or just modern playoffs in general? Increasing over the past few years, to where it is now. Currently playoff power plays are the most effective they've ever been on average at 27%. Stars are around 40. The Oilers are a goddamn ridiculous 57 percent.
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I have noticed that they're actually calling cross checking but only when it's hard enough for the victim to fall down.
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Because you all love graphs. Shayna wrote a pretty good piece on the Devils playing a different style of game so far against the Rangers (although especially so in the first two games), here's some of it. https://theathletic.com/4452030/2023/04/26/devils-nhl-playoffs-playing-style/ quote:Saying the Devils need more than just their transitional efforts isn’t necessarily a knock on that aspect of their game. It’s just to say that they need more than that alone, and that could become a problem. New Jersey was the best team at creating shots off the rush at five-on-five in the regular season, according to Corey Sznajder’s tracking, but they were only just above average off the cycle. So if the rush isn’t at its best, there isn’t another strategy to fall back on. The Rangers are still stifling the Devils on the rush to a really impressive degree, but the Devils seemed to have summoned the team defense of the Martin Brodeur era (as well as getting a .960 from a rookie goalie which uhh helps somewhat). https://twitter.com/IneffectiveMath/status/1650681688920317959 This is similar to what happened to the Rangers last year vs. TB (well the offense part anyway) https://twitter.com/IneffectiveMath/status/1650851670169927680 I don't have any real confidence in the Devils or their goaltending to continue to play that style of hockey, quite frankly I'm surprised they were able to to win two games doing it. Somewhat damning to Gallant and the roster makeup that the Rangers are still having a lot of trouble creating offense at 5v5 against good teams though. But if their powerplay returns to form and they continue to make the game a slog at 5v5, that's still a recipe for success in this series. https://twitter.com/la_lnh/status/1651159192034504706/photo/1 Kakko has looked really good and the numbers back that up. It often seems like his entries/takeaways should lead to more offense (to say the least, I know this is a common critique) but he has been a real play driver this series. Likewise I think Meier/Mercer are due and it would be nice to see that floodgate open up a bit. That chart also confirms to me that Ruff has been right to basically go down to 3 lines, Boqvist is fine for some token shifts but Bastian/Lazar/Wood/etc should really be used sparingly/only on the PK. T-Bone fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Apr 26, 2023 |
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Powershift posted:Yeah, there is something systemically broken with NHL reffing right now. Marcus Foligno is the dumb one, Nick Foligno is his smarter, better-looking Blackbelt Bobman fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Apr 26, 2023 |
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:Minnesota’s special teams being hot garbage probably makes it seem like all penalties screw them, whether against them or the other team. This is also very evident in the NYI v CAR series. They both have 14 goals each across 5 games but what type of goals is very different. The Islanders have a 11 - 8 advantage at even strength and a 2-1 advantage a man down but Carolina has a 5-1 advantage on the power play. The PP has been the deciding factory in Games 1 and 2 in this series. The only game where Carolina has outscored the Islanders at even strength has been game 4 and even that started off with 2 Car ppg's to put the Isles on the back foot (they also played like garbage that game) It also doesn't help that the Hurricanes have had 6 more minutes of total PP time off of 23 power play opportunities to the Islanders 15 throughout the series, but with how dogshit garbage the Islanders PP is I doubt they would have done much with extra opportunities anyway. The key to the rest of the series for the Islanders is to stop taking so many stupid penalties and just continue to beat them at even strength.
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Crazy that the Hurricanes are losing the ES battle to the loving Islanders. @rex now is your time to gloat Although you have to think a lot of this can be pinned on no Teravainen/Svechnikov.
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T-Bone posted:Because you all love graphs. Nico is a beast.
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T-Bone posted:Crazy that the Hurricanes are losing the ES battle to the loving Islanders. The counterpoint is that the islanders are actually cool and maybe there's a tiny shred of merit to the "built for the playoffs" mentality Or maybe not, either way Carolina is a great team and I'm surprised by just how good the isles have played them 5v5. The powerplay as previously mentioned is horrifying and that's probably going to cost them the series unless they fix it fast. Sucks that Barzal missed so much time and is still rounding out in to form because the (very brief) time he and Horvat had together right after the trade had the pp looking legitimately dangerous for the first time in years. Now if they can even get a single shot on goal without giving up a shorty it's considered a win. Part of that is Carolinas excellent and aggressive PK but there's no way their PP should look THIS bad.
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Aphrodite posted:They're brothers. Whatever, my point still stands. Also, https://twitter.com/ginohard_/status/1651052261420703746?s=46&t=ZmcWuigp8va-srUE4rOQ8Q Imagine owning Will Ferrel this hard
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:Marcus Foligno is the dumb one, Nick Foligno is his smarter, better-looking My bad. Blackbelt Bobman posted:Imagine owning Will Ferrel this hard That guy also had a head cutout of a still from a Will Ferrell movie of him crying. .
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I don't understand the thread title. Is this the correct thread to celebrate the upcoming Bruins crushing of the Panthers?
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https://twitter.com/br_openice/status/1650981989036568576?s=46&t=2hVb1vPytx9OUpdE0UPz6Q This kind of kicks rear end, tupac-style holograms next
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