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People are always saying, the problem with the police is they're too smart! 
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Apr 26, 2023 17:02
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Mister Speaker posted:This news about Ontario police post-secondary requirements disappearing is pretty mask-off poo poo. We already knew cops were just empowered highschool bullies, but it's appalling to be this blatant about it. I do remember hearing someone tell me back when I was in college though, that some police departments prefer you not have attended Police Foundations... in which case what the gently caress is the program even for? Ontario police never had a requirement to have any post-secondary education. The bill passed the legislature, but was never signed into law. There were never any smart cops.
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Apr 26, 2023 17:32
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Why do we pay for studies on how to improve policing if we don't ever action the findings? Surely us taxpayers could sue over this?
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Apr 26, 2023 18:05
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Charles Bukowski posted:Why do we pay for studies on how to improve policing if we don't ever action the findings? Surely us taxpayers could sue over this? Sue for what, exactly?
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Apr 26, 2023 18:06
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Pleads posted:$800m in public money for a private entity to benefit the most sure will swing my vote! At least they didn’t spend 1/3 of the $600 million project though lmao
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Apr 26, 2023 18:22
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Mister Speaker posted:This news about Ontario police post-secondary requirements disappearing is pretty mask-off poo poo. We already knew cops were just empowered highschool bullies, but it's appalling to be this blatant about it. I do remember hearing someone tell me back when I was in college though, that some police departments prefer you not have attended Police Foundations... in which case what the gently caress is the program even for? I'm not sure why a good union job should be reserved for people who can afford to go to post secondary or have rich parents, or people who want to start their career tens of thousands of dollars in debt. There needs to be police reform but a post secondary education is not necessary and does not do anything to weed out the "dumb ones". I work in aviation and for specialized jobs you can be trained specifically for that. You don't need post secondary to be a pilot or air traffic controller, so why a cop?
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Apr 26, 2023 18:31
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DrBox posted:I'm not sure why a good union job should be reserved for people who can afford to go to post secondary or have rich parents, or people who want to start their career tens of thousands of dollars in debt. the portapique inquiry specifically called for police to need a four-year secondary degree and they sure know a lot fuckin more than you, bozo you can have a good union job without any of that stuff. go work at a car plant along the oshawa-ottawa corridor, for example. but no, cops definitely need more training since we give them a license to kill.
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Apr 26, 2023 18:37
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University degrees aren’t going to fix the poisoned culture of North American policing and it’s a completely meaningless recommendation.
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Apr 26, 2023 18:41
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But it means the boot on my face will be worn by a proper intellectual and not a boorish poor.
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Apr 26, 2023 18:44
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Make cops required to get degrees in programming so they can finally join the true proletariat
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Apr 26, 2023 18:48
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Arivia posted:the portapique inquiry specifically called for police to need a four-year secondary degree and they sure know a lot fuckin more than you, bozo And what specifically in a four year BA in, let's say, Classics would have provided this "more training"? I agree they need more training but a generic requirement for any 4 year degree is not the solution. Make police school four years, not any school. DrBox fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Apr 26, 2023 |
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Apr 26, 2023 19:20
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TheCenturion posted:Sue for what, exactly? Wasting our money? I dunno, it's a pissing waste of resources and time for these charades to make the public think any change will ever happen besides more money to them.
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Apr 26, 2023 19:24
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DrBox posted:And what specifically in a four year BA in, let's say, Classics would have provided this "more training"? I dunno, cops could stand to learn a little about the humanities, maybe learn something about dealing with humans or even how to be one. Cop school with cop professors is just going to teach being a cop.
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Apr 26, 2023 19:48
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Glimpse posted:I dunno, cops could stand to learn a little about the humanities, maybe learn something about dealing with humans or even how to be one. Cop school with cop professors is just going to teach being a cop. The issue generally is training and culture. I don't think cops will be better as long as the chuds that apply managed to float through 4 years of post secondary on mom and dad's money before going through the same police training as now. I'd argue for more of a tailored program that incorporates more of what we want them to know. Make it a high paying job with a stringent 4 year police college course that hopefully weeds out the psychos. Something like the Norway police academy program.
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Apr 26, 2023 19:59
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Police school should definitely be at least 4 years and have at least 50% of the time dedicated to community relations/social work/ethics/sensitivity training/etc. to maybe weed out the worst of them. I have to agree that having general post-secondary education says absolutely nothing in itself about a person or what kind of cop they would be.
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Apr 26, 2023 20:03
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all police should be forced to study marxian economics and critical social history this drbox guy needs to go back to school too before posting anymore
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Apr 26, 2023 20:09
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Doing my undergrad in Good Posting
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Apr 26, 2023 20:17
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RBC posted:all police should be forced to study marxian economics and critical social history I went to post secondary and it didn't fix me.  I learned how to drink a lot though.
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Apr 26, 2023 20:21
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heh, education is meaningless in the 21st century. the only thing that matters is coding for profit. then you can jerk off in yospos until the current somethingawful owner eventually commits suicide and you can buy the entire website, and then whose the one laughing?
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Apr 26, 2023 20:24
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RBC posted:heh, education is meaningless in the 21st century. the only thing that matters is coding for profit. then you can jerk off in yospos until the current somethingawful owner eventually commits suicide and you can buy the entire website, and then whose the one laughing? I don't think anyone here said education was meaningless. In fact my argument is that it's so important it should be tailored to the role with a high bar rather than a generic 4 year requirement.
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Apr 26, 2023 20:27
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If a police officer can get through a 3rd/4th year group project worth 30% of their grade without violence, then that officer should have a better chance than the one that couldn't.
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Apr 26, 2023 20:31
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RBC posted:heh, education is meaningless in the 21st century. the only thing that matters is coding for profit. then you can jerk off in yospos until the current somethingawful owner eventually commits suicide and you can buy the entire website, and then whose the one laughing? The current owner never once jerked off in yospos. His name is very misleading.
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Apr 26, 2023 20:33
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His computers' disk drive, on the other hand, is full of cum
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Apr 26, 2023 20:41
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RBC posted:all police should be forced to study marxian economics and critical social history If a cop is going to get his buddies and beat the poo poo out of me because it makes him feel better about himself, I'd prefer that he at least have a conception of what Jürgen Habermas would think of what he's doing first.
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Apr 26, 2023 20:54
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Trainee cops should be forced to read this thread and post at least a dozen thoughtful replies in it before graduating.
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Apr 26, 2023 21:04
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eXXon posted:Trainee cops should be forced to read this thread and post at least a dozen thoughtful replies in it before graduating. An impossible ask
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Apr 26, 2023 21:15
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eXXon posted:Trainee cops should be forced to read this thread and post at least a dozen thoughtful replies in it before graduating. Is this a "Induce cruel and unusual punishment on them so they're less likely to use it on others" situation?
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Apr 26, 2023 21:31
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DaysBefore posted:Doing my undergrad in Good Posting ah, a first-year i see
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Apr 26, 2023 22:03
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DrBox posted:I'm not sure why a good union job should be reserved for people who can afford to go to post secondary or have rich parents, or people who want to start their career tens of thousands of dollars in debt. I agree in principle, and I too work in aviation, so let's talk a little bit more about the specific training you reference, the general hiring requirements, the operational conditions, and how this may affect the preference or requirement for a degree. What specialized jobs are you thinking of, and could we provide alternate training paths of a similar rigorous nature, which would accomplish the same ends? More importantly, how does the current path towards these specialized jobs, and the required training, differ from what is currently offered to or required of police officers? EDIT: I suppose I should offer my full viewpoint if I want to discuss it. I think people with degrees ought to be favoured somewhat at very low levels, but I think at a certain point it becomes meaningless. I have worked with pilots, and trained pilots, who have every possible combination of academic qualification, work experience in demanding fields, and experience specifically in aviation (whether as a pilot or in another role). In my experience, holding a degree means very little, but I do understand why it's used as a heuristic, because while I will say some of the best pilots I've worked with don't have a degree, I can tell you that all but one of the worst pilots I've worked with or trained, do not have a degree. If you're an employer trying to play the odds, you want a substantial work history to make up for that lack of a degree. It's not fair, but if you're an employer playing the odds, you'd be loving stupid to ignore it, and if you're going to invest tens of thousands into a type rating, you want to know that your candidate reliably can pick poo poo from Shinola. The path to entering a career in this industry without a degree isn't terribly pleasant. You're going to work a poo poo rear end job under considerable supervision, until you get a chance to do something fun and/or important. Arguably, that's better than forking over 30 grand for a degree, but you ain't showing up any place you really want to work with naught but a fresh CPL, and getting hired in a position where you will use it. A degree means an employer might be a bit more willing to take a gamble on your lack of experience, because at least you've stuck with something for four years and you weren't stupid enough to get kicked out along the way. So, yes, I think there should be a way to get a job as a police officer without a bachelors degree. It should involve you writing parking tickets or pushing pencils or working in some form of public service for a few years and demonstrating that you are a good candidate to become a police officer. And then, the training should be extensive, and evaluated by people who have no role in training you, and no specific attachment to your success or failure. TL;DR: There should be alternate paths that don't involve a degree, and they should exist for people who do not wish to spend the money on a degree, not for people who don't want to put in the level of work associated with getting a degree. Alternately, we could recognize that a high school diploma basically shows you can produce fog on a mirror on one out of every three attempts at this point, and either make it more rigorous so that a high school diploma actually means something, or entirely fund undergraduate education, including stipends for living expenses, so there's no one who can say "I would've got a degree but I couldn't afford it." PT6A fucked around with this message at 01:31 on Apr 27, 2023 |
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Apr 27, 2023 00:58
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Police school should be a one way ticket.
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Apr 27, 2023 01:18
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It is... to the bank!
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Apr 27, 2023 01:26
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DrBox posted:And what specifically in a four year BA in, let's say, Classics would have provided this "more training"? I think it’s more the idea that a four-year degree doesn’t fundamentally change the person, but the requirement to have one selects for a different kind of person altogether. This is probably why libs love it.
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Apr 27, 2023 02:42
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It is amusingly ironic to me that this thread's greatest love affair (unions and collectivism) is one of the biggest factors in causing the thread's greatest villain (cops) to be continually protected against investigations and consequences whenever they gently caress up. https://www.vice.com/en/article/bv8y45/how-police-unions-protect-racist-cops goes back to what I said a couple of pages ago. Unions great in theory, in practice serve only to protect assholes and shitbags.
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Apr 27, 2023 02:44
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If we want a degree for any skilled position, then it should be free. Simple as. My personal position is that you don't need a degree for most things, but our drive to increase high school graduation rates on paper has reduced it to the point of meaninglessness. My Dad told me that when he was growing up, it was possible to fail classes even if you showed up most of the time! It was a thing he was nervous about, when he was in school. I don't think that happens any more.
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Apr 27, 2023 02:46
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MikeC posted:It is amusingly ironic to me that this thread's greatest love affair (unions and collectivism) is one of the biggest factors in causing the thread's greatest villain (cops) to be continually protected against investigations and consequences whenever they gently caress up. "Cop unions" are not unions because class oppression is not labour, hope that helps!
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Apr 27, 2023 02:47
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Look at this guy thinking cops have unions.
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Apr 27, 2023 03:08
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MikeC posted:It is amusingly ironic to me that this thread's greatest love affair (unions and collectivism) is one of the biggest factors in causing the thread's greatest villain (cops) to be continually protected against investigations and consequences whenever they gently caress up. Police are class traitors hth.
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Apr 27, 2023 03:09
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Hate on Doug Ford all you want but Ontario is out here discovering new shapes under his watch.
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Apr 27, 2023 03:11
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I'm going to write a letter to the editor demanding the immediate disbandment of all labour unions to solve the crisis of corrupt and oppressive policing.
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Apr 27, 2023 03:44
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Police unions aren’t unions. They do not show solidarity with any group, they are often used to quash other union’s strike actions and are largely used to protect the capitalist class. I hope this clears things up.
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Apr 27, 2023 03:53
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