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Nodoze posted:I do mostly agree with this, athough a handful of their guys are on the wrong side of 30. The other thing here is with Hurts at QB and the other skill position players they have there is no need to spend a high pick on a back because any halfway decent RB should be able to have success in that offense. Its not an invalid take, but I want to be clear that Howie builds his teams to have 2 year windows followed by a few years of rebuild. Rookie runners are some of the highest impact rookies you can draft (similar to DLs) so if he maximizes for the window right now, nobody should be upset.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Levis and Richardson were both actually inconsistent, not just game to game but play to play. Literally could not hit receivers with the ball. I don't want to defend Will Levis too terribly much because I don't believe in him either, but putting him in the same sentence with Richardson as far as examples of inconsistency goes is either underrating one of them or overrating the other. Levis was dealing with somewhat bad injuries supposedly for all of his senior season, I don't know if that makes teams feel better or worse about him.
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Grittybeard posted:I don't want to defend Will Levis too terribly much because I don't believe in him either, but putting him in the same sentence with Richardson as far as examples of inconsistency goes is either underrating one of them or overrating the other. The point is that Stroud was actually one of the most consistent quarterbacks in college and knocking him to draft Will Levis or AR is basically missing the forest for the trees.
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Sataere posted:The point is that Stroud was actually one of the most consistent quarterbacks in college and knocking him to draft Will Levis or AR is basically missing the forest for the trees. Oh yeah I do agree Stroud's getting screwed here if the rumor crew is true.
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Doltos posted:I'd say he doesn't have hands and that's his biggest problem. Big case of the dropsies but so do a bunch of other WRs in this draft. What? Hyatt had 8 drops over his entire career for a drop rate of ~5%. Zay Flowers 2022 drop rate was 11%. Hyatt had 0 career fumbles. Jalin has great hands. He does not have a “big case of dropsies”.
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Just set Stroud up like he was in college with the greatest receiving corps in the entire NFL by leaps & bounds and then you know what you'll get.
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three posted:Just set Stroud up like he was in college with the greatest receiving corps in the entire NFL by leaps & bounds and then you know what you'll get. Worked for Joe Burrow.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Worked for Joe Burrow. Tua had a pretty good receiving corps too and his only problem is his head's been used like a pogs slammer for a few months now. There's five or six college programs that are going to have their choice of talent and that talent includes both the wide receiver and the quarterback position. Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:when you have an FO full of football executives they have to justify their existence somehow by offering stupid opinions Eifert Posting fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Apr 26, 2023 |
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Eifert Posting posted:Tua had a pretty good receiving corps too and his only problem is his head's been used like a pogs slammer for a few months now. I like Bryce more because Alabama's WRs last year blew.
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Barring village idiot scenarios like Jerry Jones having to be wrestled to the ground to not take Manziel and Rhule believing Slater to be a guard. I don't believe scouts or front offices would be ranking Levis / Richardson above Stroud. I tend to think that pretty much all boards look much the same with Young as 1 and Stroud as 2 - I think where you put Richardson, Hooker and Levis after that is perfectly fine to debate but I really don't think that in the world where Young wasn't coming out this year Levis would have magically jumped Stroud because Stroud struggles with standardized testing. I also don't really think anyone's making that argument either. I fell in love with Stroud because he's a bigger body and seems like an accurate passer who can move a little bit - and I'd be fine if this time tomorrow he's announced as first overall. I tend to think that a lot of teams, Panthers included wanted to move up with the idea of drafting Young and had what they saw on tape in terms of what's between his ears confirmed by lengthy interviews and other testing. I think Stroud did everything he could to help his stock in the late part of the season and at the combine and power to him, but if you have questions based on his supporting cast, his offense, things you've gleaned from interviews and he then doesn't test well... I totally agree with everyone that says film should always come first, but there's not really any harm in thinking, "this guy seems smart, wonder what he'd score on X test?" - have him smash it and use that as another feather in his cap to show that he is really loving smart. Now if he fucks up big time in the testing - you're not doing the wrong thing as a front office by then wondering - how much of his deficiencies were covered? How were they covered? and Is this something we can emulate to put him in the best position to succeed?
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I want the Texans not drafting a QB rumor to be true. Do the dumb thing Texans you know next years class is totally going to be better and you'll have just as high a pick.
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GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:I'm not sure why I have to say this but there isn't actually some bureaucrat stamping NO over Stroud's face in front offices after seeing his score on his test. If he falls it's because he was inconsistent in CFB with 3+ NFL starting WRs on his team. It also isn't a coincidence that he supposedly started slipping fresh after combine and individual team visits. That's just the meth talking.
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BlindSite posted:Barring village idiot scenarios like Jerry Jones having to be wrestled to the ground to not take Manziel and Rhule believing Slater to be a guard. I don't believe scouts or front offices would be ranking Levis / Richardson above Stroud. I have zero problems with Bryce Young being the first quarterback taken off the board. My only concern with him is size. I do have a problem if Stroud isn't second. That's just bad process. Ches Neckbeard posted:I want the Texans not drafting a QB rumor to be true. Do the dumb thing Texans you know next years class is totally going to be better and you'll have just as high a pick. Honestly, that'd be the smart play. gently caress, trade down and try getting a first next year. Three firsts could make it easy to get Caleb.
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BlindSite posted:I totally agree with everyone that says film should always come first, but there's not really any harm in thinking, "this guy seems smart, wonder what he'd score on X test?" - have him smash it and use that as another feather in his cap to show that he is really loving smart. Now if he fucks up big time in the testing - you're not doing the wrong thing as a front office by then wondering - how much of his deficiencies were covered? How were they covered? and Is this something we can emulate to put him in the best position to succeed? If the test isn’t predictive of football success who gives a gently caress what he scores on it? Why not have them take the LSATs while we’re at it?
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YOLOsubmarine posted:If the test isn’t predictive of football success who gives a gently caress what he scores on it? Why not have them take the LSATs while we’re at it? Andrew Luck was the best quarterback prospect I've ever seen, but I knocked him down my big board because his MCAT scores were abysmal
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Ornery and Hornery posted:What? If you have the stats to back that up I'd like to look at it but he dropped a bunch of passes against Cam Smith and in the Mizzou game.
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Sataere posted:Honestly, that'd be the smart play. gently caress, trade down and try getting a first next year. Three firsts could make it easy to get Caleb. 0 guarantee anyone next year will be as good as this. You have to take each qb class in a vacuum or you end up planning on getting Chad Kelly if you make it in the top 5. Hell Sam Darnold was the clear can't miss in spring 2017 after his freshman season. This class is this class trying to compare them to next year's before they've played a 2023 snap is dumb. Hell, if Caleb is The Truth next class who says someone wants to trade down if you don't land the top pick?
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Feldman did a thing on the offensive linemen. The Athletic posted:On Ohio State’s Paris Johnson
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What the gently caress is an awful body? Torrence has a gut but like cmon bro
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YOLOsubmarine posted:If the test isn’t predictive of football success who gives a gently caress what he scores on it? Why not have them take the LSATs while we’re at it? You not believing the test is predictive of cognitive ability isn't the same thing as teams using it to confirm suspicions and form part of a lengthy evaluation. I couldn't have been more clear that I don't think this test plays a major part in evaluating prospects, just that there's nothing wrong with teams using it as one small piece to inform their existing evaluation. I'm not saying that tests alone inform your findings, just that's there's nothing inherently wrong with attempting to use it to add to your evaluation.
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Diva Cupcake posted:Feldman did a thing on the offensive linemen. Well this has me convinced the Bears are going with Wright
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https://twitter.com/ESPNNFL/status/1651356459349733376 The Mannings get veto power over Colts draft picks? lol
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BlindSite posted:You not believing the test is predictive of cognitive ability isn't the same thing as teams using it to confirm suspicions and form part of a lengthy evaluation. If you don’t know if the test tells you anything useful, and it’s too new and untested for anyone to know that, then all you’re doing is adding random noise to your findings, not informing them. Maybe in a decade of consistent use there will be data proving that these tests measure something that actually matters for NFL QB play, but right now they’re about as informative as an astrological chart.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:If you don’t know if the test tells you anything useful, and it’s too new and untested for anyone to know that, then all you’re doing is adding random noise to your findings, not informing them. We don't know that it does or doesn't because we don't have that data. My point still stands that there's nothing wrong with a team utilising it to add to their information. If it solely informs your decision you're hosed anyway, but not one person is saying it solely informs a teams decision or that it should.
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mcmagic posted:https://twitter.com/ESPNNFL/status/1651356459349733376 What's next? They going to have say over who they want as head coach?
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fsif posted:What's next? They going to have say over who they want as head coach? That worked out well
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Worked for Joe Burrow. JSN is not Ja'Marr Chase, but Texans picking both Stroud and JSN would be neat.
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BlindSite posted:We don't know that it does or doesn't because we don't have that data. If nobody knows whether the test is valid then it’s not providing any information. If you just fed each QB name into a random number generator and it spit out a number grade between 1 and 100 that would also be a “test” but surely you wouldn’t argue that it’s providing information? Is the S2 test any more predictive of success than a random number generator? three posted:JSN is not Ja'Marr Chase, but Texans picking both Stroud and JSN would be neat. Take Stroud and then Marvin Harrison next year, easy.
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wandler20 posted:Is Anton Harrison worth the 19th pick or can the Bucs get away with trading back? I feel like they should trade back if he's the target, but if there's a run on tackle in the early teens who knows how long he'll last
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YOLOsubmarine posted:If nobody knows whether the test is valid then it’s not providing any information. If you just fed each QB name into a random number generator and Wonderlic test was pointless too, but Vince Young was dumb as hell, he tested badly and then he played and acted off field like he was dumb as hell.
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BlindSite posted:Wonderlic test was pointless too, but Vince Young was dumb as hell, he tested badly and then he played and acted off field like he was dumb as hell. What point does this make? The test has already been proven to have zero correlation with on the field performance, so why would this statement lend it any credence. That's like saying I always win on seven in roulette.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Worked for Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow put up the greatest year in CFB history. Stroud ate poo poo against Northwestern
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GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:Joe Burrow put up the greatest year in CFB history. Stroud ate poo poo against Northwestern Joe Burrow had a 58% completion rating in 2018. He failed to throw a TD in 6 out of 13 games that year. He had way more bad games than CJ Stroud. YOLOsubmarine fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Apr 27, 2023 |
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GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:Joe Burrow put up the greatest year in CFB history. Stroud ate poo poo against Northwestern In a loving tornado! His play against Georgia is the game that's actually indicative of who he is as a prospect.
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Heh, guess they don't have tornadoes in the NFL?? Good luck kid
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Henchman of Santa posted:In a loving tornado! Soft
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