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Cease to Hope posted:Coca leaves are all four, although they aren't a general anesthetic. (Why do you think every synthetic local anesthetic ends with -caine?) Huh, I actually never really thought about it
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Cease to Hope posted:What are you talking about? I have gotten into page long debates with people on this forum over the fact that yes, some herbal medicines actually are effective at what they claim to do, and no, I don't think modern medicine is useless or whatever.
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An important thing to remember in the setting is that all the actually habitable worlds, even lovely rimworlds, were terraformed to some greater or lesser extent in the past and everything on them was engineered, including random wild crops and herbs. Herbal medicine is a literal (if imperfect) panacea that can be refined into post-modern medicine, that corn really does grow in two weeks and a tiny plot can feed a dozen people, and so on. I mean this is obviously a kludge for gameplay simplicity's sake but as such go I've definitely seen worse. 
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Telsa Cola posted:I have gotten into page long debates with people on this forum over the fact that yes, some herbal medicines actually are effective at what they claim to do, and no, I don't think modern medicine is useless or whatever. A fairly large chunk of modern medicines are modified versions of something that originally came from a plant.
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Flesh Forge posted:Also they bred fanatical raiders that can smell a potato from a hundred miles away Are you suggesting that Latvians are the creation of a video game?
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The Lone Badger posted:A fairly large chunk of modern medicines are modified versions of something that originally came from a plant. And there's lots of fascinating stuff in plants which someone with today's technology, which can purify out specific compounds, can identify and study specifically. The dose makes the poison.
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The big thing about herbal medicine in Rimworld is a drug that does literally everything you'd want any drug to do, all at once, is useless without being able to refine it. There are plenty of synergistic effects: for example, coca leaves, which induce topical numbness, are both hemostatic and vasoconstrictive, and induce euphoria, which helps when someone has a hole in them. All of those things are useful for applying directly to a wound or injecting into a wound site, really just some amazing natural serendipity. But you can't have a stimulant that is simultaneously a depressant, nor a vasoconstrictor that is also a vasodilator, etc. Similarly, many positive, desired effects of drugs are also potentially deadly side effects when not needed. Immunosuppression, blood thinning, vasoconstriction, diuresis, sedation or stimulation, and so on. Most importantly, anything that can induce general anesthesia can also euthanize someone. If you limit herbal medicine to things medicine is used for in the game, it's a plant that when consumed serves as a sedative and a broad-spectrum antimicrobial of some sort. Maybe it's also an astringent or topical anesthetic. That would be useful for treating wounds, treating almost all the diseases it covers, and could be used for surgical anesthesia. (The odd man out is a heart attack. Vasodilators and anticoagulants are counterproductive for surgery or treating injuries.) I guess that's not too ridiculous. It would, however, be really difficult and dangerous to sedate someone properly with a drug that wasn't properly measured for dosage unless you don't care if they wake up half the time. I'm also not sure if it's even theoretically possible to have a depressant that isn't addictive. Superscience I suppose. Archonet posted:Are you suggesting that Latvians are the creation of a video game? no, they first appeared in fantastic four comics
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They got dyes that change colors if you think really hard at them, maybe herbal medicine changes effects the same way.
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Rimworld has a tree that turns into a bunch of perfectly formed chocolate bars when you chop it down
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Reminder that you can just mine Steel and Components out of a mountain. Also just Components in general.
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Cease to Hope posted:What are you talking about? like the entire thing you are talking about here is the entire difference between herbal and industrial medicine (extraction and refinement of various elements of the plant to get the elements you require, and suspension in a form that can deliver it effectively) and the fact that you didn't realize that is insanely funny to me Telsa Cola posted:I have gotten into page long debates with people on this forum over the fact that yes, some herbal medicines actually are effective at what they claim to do, and no, I don't think modern medicine is useless or whatever. extremely same though not on this forum Coolguye fucked around with this message at 07:17 on Apr 26, 2023 |
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HolHorsejob posted:It's called coconut oil oh jesus christ i missed the white guy dreads gently caress you i was eating ahahah
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Lt. Lizard posted:Reminder that you can just mine Steel and Components out of a mountain. Also just Components in general. That's always been explained as stuff from old shipwrecks etc. that didn't get completely mashed during terraforming. Haven't figured out who was making entire fields of shopping carts though, unless whatever archotech in charge of terraforming decided to seed those.
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Coolguye posted:like the entire thing you are talking about here is the entire difference between herbal and industrial medicine (extraction and refinement of various elements of the plant and suspension in a form that can deliver it) and the fact that you didn't realize that is insanely funny to me coca leaves can make an antiseptic, hemostatic, pain-relieving poultice. the required tools are a mortar and pestle and a bandage, assuming you don't just chew it. i'm not talking about refined cocaine, i'm talking about plants that have been eaten, drunk or applied as teas or tinctures, or applied as poultices, and have proven or likely therapeutic effects. in the case of opium and coca, there's definitive evidence they've been used that way since ancient greece and european contact, and circumstantial evidence that goes back to the neolithic. Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 07:55 on Apr 26, 2023 |
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Coolguye posted:like the entire thing you are talking about here is the entire difference between herbal and industrial medicine (extraction and refinement of various elements of the plant to get the elements you require, and suspension in a form that can deliver it effectively) and the fact that you didn't realize that is insanely funny to me Now hold on there, I don't think what they're describing rises to the level of "industrial" medicine; aloe vera gel is firmly an herbal medical treatment even though you do have to extract it (this is very easy to do without any tools, the leaf is practically a natural squeeze bottle if you cut it in the right way)
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Cease to Hope posted:coca leaves can make an antiseptic, hemostatic, pain-relieving poultice. the required tools are a mortar and pestle and a bandage, assuming you don't just chew it. i'm not talking about refined cocaine, i'm talking about plants that have been eaten, drunk or applied as teas or tinctures, or applied as poultices, and have proven or likely therapeutic effects. in the case of opium and coca, there's definitive evidence they've been used that way since ancient greece and european contact, and circumstantial evidence that goes back to the neolithic. But can they handle ghosts in the blood?
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Archenteron posted:But can they handle ghosts in the blood? unfortunately it only aggravates them. by the time the dreams about the king of sweden set in, it's incurable
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how come pawns don't need ammunition for their guns! where do they get all the seeds from!
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Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:how come pawns don't need ammunition for their guns! Each tile actually has a really small tablet that's just a drop down menu of what you want to grow on it.
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isndl posted:That's always been explained as stuff from old shipwrecks etc. that didn't get completely mashed during terraforming. In fact I was under the impression that the steel and components you mine were implied to be the remnants of past civilizations, not just space debris and terraforming artifacts. It's why there are asphalt roads and regular looking cars everywhere. There was a civilization on this rimworld. Not an interstellar space age civilization (though there may have been one of those at some point too), just a civilization that looked like ours, but on a distant world. It's gone now. Rimworld is a post apocalyptic game. Though in the context of the setting, with thousands of years of human diaspora without any FTL technology, there are so many isolated worlds and human social orders are so fragile that post apocalyptic worlds are practically the norm. It's a pretty cool setting.
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I always envisioned more than one apocalypse, like the first terraformers come and the colonists land and form a civilization, then mechanoids show up that nearly wipe it out, and the survivors either move on or start to shun technology and become tribals, a few hundred years pass and the tech using civilizations nearly wipe each other out, few hundred years pass and the Empire shows up and has a war with the current denizens of the planet to try to subjugate them, then also the mechanoids come back to try to wipe out everyone again, something like that. Just a complete shithole of a planet with layers upon layers of post apocalyptic ruins
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I still think it's the space big brother planet, which is why all the contestants are very well adjusted and normal and don't have weird ideas like "i am a medieval king and will not do work" they literally round up the most dysfunctional people in the galaxy and ship them all to this planet and broadcast the results on space tv
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"Sir there's a tribal war party headed for the contestant's colony, looks like about 60 men" --Media goon "The viewers are gonna love this" --Director Randy hovering his hand over the "solar flare" button
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what is the player if not the producer handing out tasks for each contestant to fulfill "build a couple of huts" "haul stuff into that one hut, and put beds in the other" "go sow a field of crops" "pick up that rifle and kill the old man hobbling in with a shiv" "go hunt that animal"
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Iirc the descriptions for mining steel and plasteel is literally that they are the remains of collapsed ruins that you are basically just mining out and grabbing the usable materials.
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In Rimworld I rub an herb paste all over my guy that has multiple infections and a chopped off arm. Then he gets up when I'm not paying attention and willingly dies when he could have rested off the infection. Not unlike real life medicine.
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I remember having a guy with malaria decide to sad wander so I just straight up got the whole colony to beat the poo poo out of him and get him back to the hospital Not the cleanest way to deal with it, but it worked
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Danaru posted:I remember having a guy with malaria decide to sad wander so I just straight up got the whole colony to beat the poo poo out of him and get him back to the hospital Percussive maintenance isn’t just for equipment.
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Danaru posted:I remember having a guy with malaria decide to sad wander so I just straight up got the whole colony to beat the poo poo out of him and get him back to the hospital https://youtu.be/jYhWj79Aubo
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Doltos posted:In Rimworld I rub an herb paste all over my guy that has multiple infections and a chopped off arm. Then he gets up when I'm not paying attention and willingly dies when he could have rested off the infection. I love it after a big raid and you have several colonists in the hospital quickly bleeding to death and your priority 1 doctors are all whoa, hey, this is my Me Time, bleed slower I just opened a beer
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Flesh Forge posted:I love it after a big raid and you have several colonists in the hospital quickly bleeding to death and your priority 1 doctors are all whoa, hey, this is my Me Time, bleed slower I just opened a beer "Push, push! You're doing great, I can see the head! Whoops, I'm hungry, everyone go do whatever, I got bigger fish to fry." Literally had the doctor cancel a birthing halfway through for mystery reasons, though I'm assuming it was because his needs dropped too low.
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Heffer posted:New Trait: Healroot Denier - Thinks Healroot is a hoax, and refuses to have it used on them. Will randomly leave hospital beds Against Medical Advice. Starts social fights with doctors. -20 Used penoxycyline
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isndl posted:-20 Used penoxycyline "You literally can't have a medication which prevents two wildly different parasites and a bacterial species, this is just made up stuff."
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HelloSailorSign posted:"You literally can't have a medication which prevents two wildly different parasites and a bacterial species, this is just made up stuff." Sulfuric acid is effective against all known bacteria and parasites.
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VE Sanguiphages has a pod you can stick people into to extract blood but requires nutrition to 'fuel' it It also works with paste pipes It also adds blood pipes We're about to get a lot more horror movie up in this base
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I've been playing the Stranded: Alien Dawn 1.0 release and it's pretty fun. It's prettier and more chill than rimworld. Less deep but also has fewer annoyances.
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Danaru posted:VE Sanguiphages has a pod you can stick people into to extract blood but requires nutrition to 'fuel' it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHBhKbF2xMA
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