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Sataere posted:What point does this make? The test has already been proven to have zero correlation with on the field performance, so why would this statement lend it any credence. That's like saying I always win on seven in roulette. With enough data, over enough years, you can find enough outliers to say "this test is bullshit", without the years data you can handwave a test and say its not a good indicator of anything, but there's also going to be specific cases where the outcomes of a test can be indicative and informative when taken in context with all of the other data points. Like I said before. No team should, or is likely to use a single data point as a their sole point of difference in a decision but completely discounting it - is just as dumb. If you have several indicators there might be an issue and you do another test that only adds to those indicators you should probably take a moment and consider the complete picture. If it's one albatross data point then fine - ignore it. I don't particularly care what a player does in the bench press test - for a variety of reasons but if you're seeing the same red flags over and over again on film when it comes to strength and the application of it, and then the guy posts up terrible numbers you might want to take a look at everything else a little more closely. If a guy is flat out dominant on the field and technically sound then it shouldn't change your conclusion on a player. Similarly with Stroud if you're sure he's fine between the ears and what he does on film gives you no pause then you wouldn't care what the cognition test tells you, if you have a number of questions that aren't answered on the film, they're not answered to a satisfactory standard in interviews and meetings and then he fails a test you might want to go back and re-assess why you had him highly ranked in the first place. We're kind of going round in circles with this argument but my point still remains. These tests on good teams aren't going to be the deciding factor, but that doesn't mean they're useless to all teams, when it comes to all players. Over ten years with hundreds of prospects, it might prove to be bullshit - but if there's one or two guys that it confirms your suspicions on - for better or worse. Then it inherently does have some value.
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BlindSite posted:Wonderlic test was pointless too, but Vince Young was dumb as hell, he tested badly and then he played and acted off field like he was dumb as hell.
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BlindSite posted:Over ten years with hundreds of prospects, it might prove to be bullshit - but if there's one or two guys that it confirms your suspicions on - for better or worse. Then it inherently does have some value. This is called confirmation bias and is the opposite of having value.
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LiquidFriend posted:Dan Marino was dumb as hell according to the test but it sure didn't bother him. oooh, wonderlic arguments? must be slow before the draft! https://www.si.com/nfl/2011/03/24/wonderlic-test quote:Hall of Fame quarterbacks Dan Marino and Jim Kelly each scored 15. Former NFL stars Steve McNair (15), Randall Cunningham (15) and Daunte Culpepper (18) each scored well below the NFL average for a quarterback. I just see a bunch of guys who didn't win the Super Bowl!
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It's just one data point used as part of many to form a complete picture. Its fine for teams to utilise all the resources they have available. There's no need to get hysterical about it.
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LiquidFriend posted:Dan Marino was dumb as hell according to the test but it sure didn't bother him. Yeah but he was probably high as tits on coke when he took it.
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I am hysterical. I'm freaking out right now about wonderlic tests.
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When you think about it whether a prospect’s mom is a prostitute is just a data point, it would be foolish not to consider it as part of the complete picture.
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BlindSite posted:It's just one data point used as part of many to form a complete picture. Its fine for teams to utilise all the resources they have available. There's no need to get hysterical about it. Some data points aren’t really indicative of anything.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:When you think about it whether a prospect’s mom is a prostitute is just a data point, it would be foolish not to consider it as part of the complete picture. You're starting to reach pretty hard here man.
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No Butt Stuff posted:Some data points aren’t really indicative of anything. I'm glad you agree with me.
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BlindSite posted:Wonderlic test was pointless too Just trivia here because it doesn't mean anything, but who was the only dude (or at least the first) to ace the Wonderlic? Some Ivy League guy I'm pretty sure, wasn't Fitzpatrick I don't think. QB who lasted a while as a backup maybe.
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SKULL.GIF posted:You're starting to reach pretty hard here man. Obviously you don’t make your whole decision based on that! You’ve also got to factor in their wonderlic and whether they drive a lovely car.
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Grittybeard posted:Just trivia here because it doesn't mean anything, but who was the only dude (or at least the first) to ace the Wonderlic? https://wonderlictestpractice.com/nfl-wonderlic-scores/ There’s a punter that scored a 50. Fitzpatrick had the highest score for a QB.
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Codependent Poster posted:I just want the draft to get here and get over with so we can get all this out of the way
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YOLOsubmarine posted:https://wonderlictestpractice.com/nfl-wonderlic-scores/ Tom Brady and Nathan Peterman both scored a 33, proof that they're equals as quarterbacks.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:https://wonderlictestpractice.com/nfl-wonderlic-scores/ Pat McInally played both WR and punter so its funny that they list him exclusively as a punter
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Diva Cupcake posted:https://twitter.com/movethesticks/status/1651376395166023684?s=61&t=5XhQ3IY0TKf9sLs_Mzh2Lw Had me in the first half, not gonna lie. Saw Seattle WITHOUT Richardson at five? 😡 Scrolled down and saw Seattle DRAFTED Richardson at 20! 😊
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Ornery and Hornery posted:Had me in the first half, not gonna lie. This is the only scenario where I am OK with taking Carter at 5
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Diva Cupcake posted:This is a Will Levis cope post isn’t it? I'm completely ready to be 1000% in on whichever QB the Colts take so kinda yeah I still think the Colts end up with Richardson unless Stroud is somehow still there
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Ornery and Hornery posted:Had me in the first half, not gonna lie. I feel like any team drafting Richardson over Carter should have their team taken away from them.
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mcmagic posted:I feel like any team drafting Richardson over Carter should have their team taken away from them. You say that now but just wait until you're bowing before your new football god.
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Diva Cupcake posted:https://twitter.com/movethesticks/status/1651376395166023684?s=61&t=5XhQ3IY0TKf9sLs_Mzh2Lw This is a crazy rear end mock from one of the better draft guys less than 24 hours out. I love it
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Texans managing to get Stroud and Will Anderson is ignoring that the Texans are dumb as hell and will take Richardson 2. edit: another shot of the Green Room. Classy 
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mcmagic posted:I feel like any team drafting Richardson over Carter should have their team taken away from them. Richardson never killed anyone
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Ornery and Hornery posted:Richardson never killed anyone Carter didn't kill anyone either. He was just doing something really dumb that got someone killed. Big difference lol.
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mcmagic posted:Carter didn't kill anyone either. He was just doing something really dumb that got someone killed. Big difference lol. At least Richardson finished his pro day drills
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FizFashizzle posted:Yeah but he was probably high as tits on coke when he took it.
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Two of the best TEs to ever strap a helmet on https://twitter.com/KelliPeltierTV/status/1651401965610450948 edit: lol Mahomes shows up and pulls a beer out of his back pocket https://twitter.com/KelliPeltierTV/status/1651407797483978756
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I was just loving around with the pff mock draft simulator and at 31 the following players were available to the Chiefs: Lukas Van Ness Dawand Jones Zay Flowers Jahmyr Gibbs I’m honestly not sure who the best pick there would be.
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God. I'd say Flowers but Gibbs would be so tempting. But Van Ness is probably the best player
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I just want the draft to be over with so I don't have to keep seeing this stupid Richardson gimmick.
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xbilkis posted:This is a crazy rear end mock from one of the better draft guys less than 24 hours out. I love it Bijan to the Falcons is one of those things that doesn't make sense at all but I sort of don't hate. They're gonna have to create offense in some fashion, and it might as well be as fun as they can possibly make it. To be clear I am not a Falcons fan wanting them to be good, that probably goes into this opinion.
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Doltos posted:If you have the stats to back that up I'd like to look at it but he dropped a bunch of passes against Cam Smith and in the Mizzou game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E8yoODDDY4
If anything, this made me like Hyatt more.
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OL holding, so called back) 
a Hyatt drop!