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Russia also had a lot to gain if it blew the pipe, the winter was as cold as they hoped, and the EU didn't stop their usual in-fighting to pull together to solve their Russian energy dependence. Things really just didn't work out the way they wanted there
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Apr 27, 2023 23:29
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We don't know for sure yet, we shouldn't take this as the ultimate conclusive evidence and the final "gotcha". I will admit I do find it quite interesting that the argument against it being so impossible for Russia to have been the responsible party is often touted by the same people who are likely to insist on Syrian rebels gassing themselves. That argument also doesn't account for the mentioned contract fine print, and then there's teh fact that it doesn't consider internal Russian political factors as a potential driving force.
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Apr 27, 2023 23:39
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HonorableTB posted:Russia also had a lot to gain if it blew the pipe, the winter was as cold as they hoped, and the EU didn't stop their usual in-fighting to pull together to solve their Russian energy dependence. Couldnt they just . . . Stop sending Europe gas, instead of blowing up their own infrastructure ?
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Apr 28, 2023 00:09
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OctaMurk posted:Couldnt they just . . . Stop sending Europe gas, instead of blowing up their own infrastructure ?
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Apr 28, 2023 00:10
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these are the people decimating their own troops with sledgehammers like rich romans fighting a slave uprising
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Apr 28, 2023 00:10
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mobby_6kl posted:Then they'd be breaking the contract They invaded a nation and broke a whole bunch of treaties and ate a million sanctions. Breaking a contract in a time of special military operation is really that big of a deal??
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Apr 28, 2023 00:11
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drat I mean it is amazing but it is some stone-cold excellent response to shut down an entire base and suspend the people in charge in response to "actually the stuff he leaked didn't matter and nobody cares" Also while I find it arguable whether right-wing agitators like this shitfuck are capable of introspection "I got my whole unit shut down and my bosses fired" has to be a pretty definitive piece of You Dun hosed Up evidence Also-also speaking of lack of introspection, 0% chance Marjorie changes her tune even when Teixeira confesses to wanting to do a mass shooting. "ANY SANE WHITE CHRISTIAN MAN IN AMERICA WOULD WANT TO DO THAT IN BIDEN'S AMERICA"
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Apr 28, 2023 00:11
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It has to be the other person's fault. It's one of the weirder Russian governmental quirks. It doesn't matter that Stalin/Putin/Brezhnev or whoever manipulated the entire situation start to finish including putting the rules themselves into place. If the rules were followed to the letter then it cannot be illegal and therefore Russia is not at fault. See: DNR/LNR and the sham votes leading up to the invasion
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Apr 28, 2023 00:11
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HonorableTB posted:It has to be the other person's fault. It's one of the weirder Russian governmental quirks. It doesn't matter that Stalin/Putin/Brezhnev or whoever manipulated the entire situation start to finish including putting the rules themselves into place. If the rules were followed to the letter then it cannot be illegal and therefore Russia is not at fault. And various colossal dipshits keep falling for it.
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Apr 28, 2023 00:19
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Deki posted:And various colossal dipshits keep falling for it. People fall for it because they want to fall for it. They believe <X> axiomatically, Russia being bad goes against <X>, so Russia is good. Replace <X> with "NATO is bad" or whatever you want. Once you're at that point, any other conclusion would require a lot of introspection and questioning of basic values, which is a lot of effort.
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Apr 28, 2023 00:23
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OctaMurk posted:They invaded a nation and broke a whole bunch of treaties and ate a million sanctions. Breaking a contract in a time of special military operation is really that big of a deal?? They like to pretend they're following all the international rules and it's the evil west that's being mean to them with sanctions and stuff. It's certainly not 100% that they did it but there's enough motive too. Also it could be a faction within the state, like the ultranationals perhaps making it impossible for someone to just "go back to normal"
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Apr 28, 2023 00:36
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OctaMurk posted:They invaded a nation and broke a whole bunch of treaties and ate a million sanctions. Breaking a contract in a time of special military operation is really that big of a deal?? Yes, because it's basically a big neon sign to all your possible trade partners that you are not trust worthy enough to make deals with and they would be better off looking elsewhere. It's own little bubble.
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Apr 28, 2023 00:47
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OctaMurk posted:They invaded a nation and broke a whole bunch of treaties and ate a million sanctions. Breaking a contract in a time of special military operation is really that big of a deal?? Russia wanted to provide Europe with life-saving gas but the evil USA blew up the pipes. Who's the real enemy enemy? Who's really at fault for millions freezing to death in Europe? The USA lied about blowing up the pipes, what else are they lying about? Biolabs are real and all Ukrainians love post punk.
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Apr 28, 2023 01:04
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HonorableTB posted:Russia also had a lot to gain if it blew the pipe, the winter was as cold as they hoped, and the EU didn't stop their usual in-fighting to pull together to solve their Russian energy dependence. Their special ESP task force assured them that it would be a crippling Winter, but the anti-Global Warming Task Force has done thier job so well that the whole disinformation campaign grew teeth and bit them in the rear end. Why did it take 7 months to find these pictures, though?
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Apr 28, 2023 01:17
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Pot Smoke Phoenix posted:Their special ESP task force assured them that it would be a crippling Winter, but the anti-Global Warming Task Force has done thier job so well that the whole disinformation campaign grew teeth and bit them in the rear end. not find, determine it would now be advantageous to release
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Apr 28, 2023 01:25
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Telsa Cola posted:Yes, because it's basically a big neon sign to all your possible trade partners that you are not trust worthy enough to make deals with and they would be better off looking elsewhere. capitalism loves to ignore an atrocity but it won't ignore a financial liability
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Apr 28, 2023 01:55
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The Locator posted:Possibly completely coincidental... Tonight I was driving across southern AZ and stopped at a rest area along I-8. Noticed a train coming so since I was stretching my legs I wandered over where I could watch it go by... Was surprised to see that it wasn't a typical freight train, rather it was all flatbeds carrying various military vehicles, including at least 28 Abrams (was dark and I may have missed some). Also on the train, a bunch of Humvee's, M113's, Bradley's, and some sort of self propelled artillery (Paladin's?). Also lots of support type vehicles. Could be, the Sierra Army Depot is out that way, so is the Yuma Proving Ground, among others. Midnight trains moving a company at a time is pretty standard fare for cross-country shipping, trains are still the most efficient way to do that. They also rotate with their own equipment, so it's also entirely possible it's a training exercise shipment. Uncle Sam has so many goddamn tanks that you can see a whole battalion on rails and still not know the whos and wheres.
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Apr 28, 2023 02:32
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tiaz posted:not find, determine it would now be advantageous to release Exactly. How c o n v e n i e n t
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Apr 28, 2023 03:19
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Telsa Cola posted:Yes, because it's basically a big neon sign to all your possible trade partners that you are not trust worthy enough to make deals with and they would be better off looking elsewhere. On top of that, the contractees sue in EU courts, win, and get a judgement. They can be made whole out of frozen Russian assets, and the Kremlin really really does not want to start that avalanche.
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Apr 28, 2023 03:27
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Breaking contracts is impermissible to Germans. Invasion? Yes, well. Affairs of state and all that. Yes, yes, deplorable. Breaking contracts? This is not permitted. Not even in Dresden.
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Apr 28, 2023 03:46
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Russians launched another missile attack aimed at Ukrainian territories. There are hits.
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Apr 28, 2023 03:56
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tiaz posted:not find, determine it would now be advantageous to release This is what gets to me about the release. Why now and not release shortly after it happened?
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Apr 28, 2023 04:48
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Budzilla posted:This is what gets to me about the release. Why now and not release shortly after it happened? Might not have been as useful to make it public at that time politically. Certainly if they had evidence that the Russians did the bombing it'd be best to keep it close to the chest for a while to give an impression of international confusion. Could also be why Germany and the EU reacted so decisively to build LNG plants and stuff because they knew Russia was willing to cut the line in such a way.
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Apr 28, 2023 04:53
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Budzilla posted:This is what gets to me about the release. Why now and not release shortly after it happened? Could have something to do with the work the Nordic public service news agencies have been releasing for the past 2 weeks about Russian spying. The topic is especially hot at the moment, especially regarding Russian spy ships and how they can be used for sabotage.
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Apr 28, 2023 05:15
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Set posted:Could have something to do with the work the Nordic public service news agencies have been releasing for the past 2 weeks about Russian spying. The topic is especially hot at the moment, especially regarding Russian spy ships and how they can be used for sabotage. Seems like a pretty good bet. This is from the end of last month. quote:The Russian Navy is believed to have operated a mini-submarine at the Nord Stream sites days before the explosions. This calls into question previous theories. https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten...explosions.html
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Apr 28, 2023 05:26
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https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1651806365273268225 gently caress Russia.  for civilian death, no bodies in footage
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Apr 28, 2023 05:36
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Yeah but have you considered that there are Neo-Nazis in Ukraine What if one of those three civilians grew up to be the next Neo-Hitler
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Apr 28, 2023 05:46
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Or all three of them could have saiyan fusion danced and became the next Tri-Hitler, AKA Adolf Tripler
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Apr 28, 2023 05:47
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Budzilla posted:This is what gets to me about the release. Why now and not release shortly after it happened? I agree with Set. Reviving public attention to the matter at a time of your choosing, say when you have indications Russia is considering similar infrastructure sabotage again is a nice capability to have - right after the Nordstream sabotage it would've only served to calm the population, which I don't think was really necessary at the time, and point the finger at Russia, already an international pariah. Of course I have no idea what actually motivated this release, but in this sort of matter I think you want to ask "why would it get released immediately?" rather than "why wouldn't it get released immediately?". it makes perfect sense to hold on to it if you expect it might be more useful later than it is Right Now, so if you can point to a missed opportunity beyond 'why not' that's more convincing.
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Apr 28, 2023 05:55
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Toxic Mental posted:Or all three of them could have saiyan fusion danced and became the next Tri-Hitler, AKA Adolf Tripler Didn’t even think of that. Anime really is a gateway
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Apr 28, 2023 05:55
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https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1651811198193524736 Hit was recorded in Dnipropetrovsk. Two civilians killed and three more injured. gently caress Russia again. as before, no bodies/gore
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Apr 28, 2023 06:00
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Explosions in melitopol and Russian occupied kherson looks to be ammo facilities. Unless liveuamap is loving with me it appears Russia did not conduct front wide artillery strikes all day. Two symptoms of a possible counter offensive occuring OR an ammo hiccup significant enough to effect an entire days "labor" for artillerymen. Also. Zone, or fatheboxx I'd love your take on this: quote:Vladimir Putin approved the procedure for residents of the LPR, DPR, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions without Russian citizenship to live in the Russian Federation.
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Apr 28, 2023 06:27
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Explosions in melitopol and Russian occupied kherson looks to be ammo facilities. This is nothing more than Russia trying to enforce its hold on its illegally annexed territory, to give them a reason to kidnap Ukrainian citizens into Russia and to bring in Russians to replace them with.
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Apr 28, 2023 06:29
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zone posted:This is nothing more than Russia trying to enforce its hold on its illegally annexed territory, to give them a reason to kidnap Ukrainian citizens into Russia and to bring in Russians to replace them with.
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Apr 28, 2023 06:30
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Alan Smithee posted:these are the people decimating their own troops with sledgehammers like rich romans fighting a slave uprising Maybe it's the usual internal division, corruption and infighting. If you blow it up the rat bastards over in building B can't scam a little gas sales on the side and disrupt the war effort. Maybe some dipshit really saw it as Europe's pipe, and blowing it up would hurt them more than us, and it would especially gently caress over those rat bastards in Building B hell yea that's it we do this. To promote Russia. And, also, my scams on the side. Idk that's all I've got 
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Apr 28, 2023 07:16
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CannonFodder posted:At first I thought "Ugh, weird cringe camo wallpaper" but then I looked closer. For one, there's a tank on the wall at the head of the bed. That made me think "Wait, was this painted?" then I saw that while there are repeating elements on the walls, they are not in any pattern but rather a mishmash of elements. That makes me think this was hand painted with stencils. Despite all that weirdness, the weirdest thing by far is that there is apparently no window Regarding the leaker, I always have respect for true whistle blowers, who are coming forward and endangering themselves and their careers when there is genuinely shady stuff that is in he public interest to be known. This leak doesn't fit any of those categories, to say the least. In fact the whole thing is mind bogglingly stupid, the leaker is a piece of poo poo with no morals or cause, and the whole thing accomplished literally nothing
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Apr 28, 2023 07:18
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May have delayed the Ukrainian counteroffensive for minecraft clout.
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Apr 28, 2023 07:43
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Also. Zone, or fatheboxx I'd love your take on this: Unsubtly pushing people from occupied territories to seek citizenship so line goes up
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Apr 28, 2023 08:14
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Remember people, it was Norway responsible for the Nordstream pipe explosion according to the reliable fact checking and totally not making poo poo up to look cool to get on russian TV, Seymor
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Apr 28, 2023 08:15
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https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1651758867741655041 Normal country
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Apr 28, 2023 08:28
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