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Crespolini
Mar 9, 2014

Some pretty wild brutality from the norwegian cops got caught on camera + a gang of them got exposed making false reports, covering for each other, and trying to delete the video evidence of just basically beating a guy attempted murder style. Internal affairs must be seething that this has blown up in the media, because I don't see how they can just dismiss it now though maybe I'm naive there

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BonHair
Apr 28, 2007

SplitSoul posted:

Yes, I'm sure that's what will happen.

(For the non-Danes, TV2 is colloquially known as the "Liberal Press Service" in some leftist circles, and for good reason.)

Yeah, I'm not hopeful either, but maybe she actually believes it will work a bit? In that case she's naive instead of grifting, which is a huge step up for a former party leader

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

Crespolini posted:

Some pretty wild brutality from the norwegian cops got caught on camera + a gang of them got exposed making false reports, covering for each other, and trying to delete the video evidence of just basically beating a guy attempted murder style. Internal affairs must be seething that this has blown up in the media, because I don't see how they can just dismiss it now though maybe I'm naive there

let me tell you about Bergen Politikontor's last fifty years

Nice piece of fish
Jan 29, 2008

Ultra Carp
Lmao

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

norwegian (especially, for some reason, bergen) police regularly have serious scandals appear which are in the news for a couple of days or weeks or even months and then sort of fizzle out in the face of new news. their public support is remarkably stable, so there's never any serious pressure for reform other than increasing training, which has not had any obvious effect. why this is is honestly not clear to me, but it's the case.

one thing which made me raise my eyebrows, for instance, was the suspiciously convenient timing of the release of the anti-paedophile dark room case in 2016 just as the fallout from the "monika"-affair - another genuine, wild scandal where the police just didn't bother investigating the murder of an eight-year-old and covered it up - was playing out. there will never be any real evidence of this, but some journalist really should look into whether dark room was publicised as a matter of PR control.

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

Of course it was.

We're overdue for reforms, they can start with body cams.

TLM3101
Sep 8, 2010



Alhazred posted:

A cop beats up someone while the other cop deletes the evidence:
https://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/politiet-slettet-bevis/79109005


shockedpikachu.jpg

Police brutality, you say?! Surely not! In Norway?!

ed: For some dark comedy, here's how PolitiForum describes the brutal assaultevents caught on tape:

absolute fascists at PolitiForum posted:

Flere av kameratene til vedkommende som politibetjenten prøver å skaffe kontroll på går inn i situasjonen og forsøker å hindre politifolkene i sitt arbeid.

At least they're... honest?

V. Illych L. posted:

one thing which made me raise my eyebrows, for instance, was the suspiciously convenient timing of the release of the anti-paedophile dark room case in 2016 just as the fallout from the "monika"-affair - another genuine, wild scandal where the police just didn't bother investigating the murder of an eight-year-old and covered it up - was playing out. there will never be any real evidence of this, but some journalist really should look into whether dark room was publicised as a matter of PR control.

Oh, it absolutely was. Like... That case-unit had been going on for years at that point, steadily catching abusers and CSAM-distributers, all nice and neat and covert, but suddenly they just had to go public with this previously fairly clandestine and secretive operation. They've been doing the same thing - kind of - with the whole brouhaha around the NNPF, if you've noticed.

Incidentally, if you haven't already, you should read the book about the "Monika" case by the guy who blew the whistle. Getting the insider's view makes the whole thing even more buck loving wild.

ed2: Oh, wouldn't you know it? Current headline on Dagbladet is about the most recent development in a sexual abuse case from 2020. Weird how that keeps happening when the police gently caress up!

TLM3101 fucked around with this message at 10:06 on Apr 28, 2023

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

BonHair posted:

Yeah, I'm not hopeful either, but maybe she actually believes it will work a bit? In that case she's naive instead of grifting, which is a huge step up for a former party leader

I don't think that's what she believes she's doing and in any case what she believes is obviously subject to change if it benefits herself. At best she'll be like that one token liberal on Fox News everyone got to dunk on.

Crespolini
Mar 9, 2014

V. Illych L. posted:

let me tell you about Bergen Politikontor's last fifty years

Yes, but stuff that happens hidden away in the elevator is easier to ignore than stuff you can look at on your facebook feed

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

hot to trot
Hvorfor er Rødt i mot hardstyle DNA festivalen egentlig? Fordi det er bråkete?

Nice piece of fish
Jan 29, 2008

Ultra Carp

thotsky posted:

Hvorfor er Rødt i mot hardstyle DNA festivalen egentlig? Fordi det er bråkete?

Fordi Stoltenberg er en krigsforbryter.

jeebus bob
Nov 4, 2004

Festina lente

BonHair posted:

Yeah, I'm not hopeful either, but maybe she actually believes it will work a bit? In that case she's naive instead of grifting, which is a huge step up for a former party leader

Pernille is not naive. Have you considered that maybe she just wanted (and needed) the job? Or even *a* job, preferably one that pays more than the adjusted wages you get for working in Ø?

Former party leaders have bills too, especially when they're not grifters.

BlankSystemDaemon
Mar 13, 2009




jeebus bob posted:

Pernille is not naive. Have you considered that maybe she just wanted (and needed) the job? Or even *a* job, preferably one that pays more than the adjusted wages you get for working in Ø?

Former party leaders have bills too, especially when they're not grifters.
Disregarding all bonuses, every single minister is guarenteed at least 1.185.966 kr before taxes, and there's no way they'll ever lose a single percent of it, no matter what they do. Even if they die, their children get the money.

Why do you think Jacob Haugaard started putting his name into the hat from 1979 onwards? Even back then, it was about half a million before taxes.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Former pig cop rushes in in order to have the worst take on the case:
https://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/advokat-mener-dette-er-akseptabelt/79132975
Lurer på om jeg også skal begynne å bruke begrepet "et lite rapp" i jobben min: "Ne, nei, ærede rett, jeg slo ikke barnet, jeg ga det bare et lite rapp."

jeebus bob
Nov 4, 2004

Festina lente

BlankSystemDaemon posted:

Disregarding all bonuses, every single minister is guarenteed at least 1.185.966 kr before taxes, and there's no way they'll ever lose a single percent of it, no matter what they do. Even if they die, their children get the money.

Why do you think Jacob Haugaard started putting his name into the hat from 1979 onwards? Even back then, it was about half a million before taxes.

That's nice for ministre. Not all folketingsmedlemmer are ministre however. As I recall, former folketingsmedlemmer get a couple thousand per year of service added to their monthly folkepension, which as the name implies doesn't become available until they fully retire.

BlankSystemDaemon
Mar 13, 2009




jeebus bob posted:

That's nice for ministre. Not all folketingsmedlemmer are ministre however. As I recall, former folketingsmedlemmer get a couple thousand per year of service added to their monthly folkepension, which as the name implies doesn't become available until they fully retire.
You're right, it's a sliding scale up to 20 years.

Revelation 2-13
May 13, 2010

Pillbug
I dont understand how a getting a pension helps a person pay rent or get food on the table, minister or otherwise. Unless they're retired obviously. They need a job of some sort like most people. If you've been a minister, and probably to a lesser extent a member of parliment, it's certainly easier to get a job. Right wing politicians getting cushy do-nothing, highly paid, 'management' jobs in the private sector is a time honored tradition.

e: it's more than possible, that I dont understand this conversation, I thought it was about how pernille might actually need a job

jeebus bob
Nov 4, 2004

Festina lente

Revelation 2-13 posted:

I dont understand how a getting a pension helps a person pay rent or get food on the table, minister or otherwise. Unless they're retired obviously. They need a job of some sort like most people. If you've been a minister, and probably to a lesser extent a member of parliment, it's certainly easier to get a job. Right wing politicians getting cushy do-nothing, highly paid, 'management' jobs in the private sector is a time honored tradition.

e: it's more than possible, that I dont understand this conversation, I thought it was about how pernille might actually need a job

No, you're right. I was trying to point that out to BSD but I could've been more direct.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Revelation 2-13 posted:

I dont understand how a getting a pension helps a person pay rent or get food on the table, minister or otherwise. Unless they're retired obviously. They need a job of some sort like most people.

Unless they were a minister before 2000, then the pension came into effect from the day they stepped down. For those who weren't the retirement age is still 60 and they get a separate folketingspension on top of it provided they were MPs.

None of this is relevant for Skipper, obviously, as she is neither 60 nor a former minister. I think she had other paths available to her than Danish FOX, though.

Revelation 2-13
May 13, 2010

Pillbug
Yeah, pension is very good for ministers. I read a previous post as someone thinking they got payed their minister salary for the rest of their lives, which isn’t the case,

For the actual salary their get, while ministers, the 1.2 mio is before being regulated up from the 2012 level, so they get more. Looking at the salary for run-of-the-mill, middle management positions, at random IT company, the minister salary seems kinda low to me.

jeebus bob
Nov 4, 2004

Festina lente
No, they're both too high.

BonHair
Apr 28, 2007

jeebus bob posted:

No, they're both too high.

Obviously. Flat income and so forth.

The original logic of paying ministers even after they stopped (except for the obvious power money connection) was that being a public figure might have hindered your real career and no one wanted to hire the guy who made the unpopular decisions. Which is largely irrelevant now, if not downright opposite of reality.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




BonHair posted:

Obviously. Flat income and so forth.

The original logic of paying ministers even after they stopped (except for the obvious power money connection) was that being a public figure might have hindered your real career and no one wanted to hire the guy who made the unpopular decisions. Which is largely irrelevant now, if not downright opposite of reality.

Companies are dying to hire former politicians because they're worth their weight in gold as lobbyists. Even Kristian Tonning Riise who was been accused of inappropriate behavior sexual misconduct had no problem getting hired after he had to resign from public office (he became lobbyist for Philip Morris International, which somewhat fits him, a toxic person trying to sell literal poison).

Jack Trades
Nov 30, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 11 years!
Politicians should go to prison for that. Not that it will ever happen because you can't make laws that punish people that make laws.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011





Wow, just, wow.

Government Handjob
Nov 1, 2004

Gudbrandsglasnost
College Slice
Flytt forfatteren rett til giljotinen, du mottar ikke 200,- hvis du passerer start.

BigglesSWE
Dec 2, 2014

How 'bout them hawks news huh!
Big Capital was clearly afraid of my destructive socialist powers so they made sure I got a night shift on Valborg. Gonna have to leave the socialist revolution today to the younger and well rested soldiery.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-g1bvL-34pE

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BigglesSWE
Dec 2, 2014

How 'bout them hawks news huh!
https://twitter.com/peterbirro/status/1652916207756931074?s=46&t=G1x8XWIwrNxUQoXItlkh2w

Nidhg00670000
Mar 26, 2010

We're in the pipe, five by five.
Grimey Drawer
I always get Peter and Marcus Birro mixed up in my head. Made that tweet more confusing.

BigglesSWE
Dec 2, 2014

How 'bout them hawks news huh!
Easiest way to identify a Marcus Birro tweet is to see if it’s talking about the harrowing experience of being Marcus Birro, the most Interesting Person in the World.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

We got crabs? We got crabs!
https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/4oXaqo/elsa-widding-lamnar-sd

Aaaand there the first SD riksdagsledamot became a politisk vilde, starting the period where the lack of majority makes the government shaky at best. Didn’t even last a year.

E: the government plus SD has one more seat now than the opposition. One M seat is empty because of a sex/extortion scandal, and now Miss Q-anon here leaving the party.

lilljonas fucked around with this message at 15:26 on May 1, 2023

Megamissen
Jul 19, 2022

any post can be a kannapost
if you want it to be

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/svt-stoppar-publicering-pa-grund-av-spionerilag

svt has self-censored a part of a story (usage of images from the discord leak) because they were worried it might break the new spionlag

teen witch
Oct 9, 2012
https://svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/risk-for-ny-tagstrejk

DO IT.

BigglesSWE
Dec 2, 2014

How 'bout them hawks news huh!

Yeah would be hilarious. To be clear though, this is a separate issue and not related to the stuff the wild strike was about a few weeks back.

Also lol Gruppenführer Åkesson is starting to beat the "swexit" drum again. I know the government is a spineless puppet but I somehow doubt they'd go that far.

Nidhg00670000
Mar 26, 2010

We're in the pipe, five by five.
Grimey Drawer
Well, SD has mostly won the war on immigration, they need a new subject to rally the idiots around. I thought they'd be all in on climate change denialism, maybe they're hedging their bets or they can't focus on any singular thing as much as they could hate on brown people.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

We got crabs? We got crabs!

Nidhg00670000 posted:

Well, SD has mostly won the war on immigration, they need a new subject to rally the idiots around. I thought they'd be all in on climate change denialism, maybe they're hedging their bets or they can't focus on any singular thing as much as they could hate on brown people.

It’s probably a calculated fight. SD is not doing well as a government (kinda) party. They are a populist missnöjesparti and needs to be in opposition. The solution is to start fights to appease their voters. L is obviously the weakest of the Tidö parties, and their natural enemies, so expect three more years of this. Just the last months we’ve seen SD banging their drums about reduktionsplikten (putting L’s minister of environment in a bad seat), about the state micromanaging culture funding more (a L hot button) and now swexit, with L having a history of being the most pro-EU party for decades. It’s a targeted attack to be able to be against the government without doing it in any meaningful way. Theatre.

Also, today aftonbladet fired some hot scandpol thread shots:

”’Man i badbyxa’ var försvunnen dansk: Tragiskt”

lilljonas fucked around with this message at 08:54 on May 3, 2023

teen witch
Oct 9, 2012


NAJS!

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf
Thought I'd shill for the Stockholm goon meet this Friday.

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3826882&pagenumber=15#post531285410

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