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Relevant Tangent posted:I'm going to buy the DLC just because it doesn't actually look optional. There's never really been any reason not to have a dozen science ships with scientists in the early game and I don't think anything is going to change that, all protestations to the contrary. I'm assuming from the changes that science ships aren't going to require a scientist onboard anymore. It would go against their less quantity, more quality shift they're going for with leaders E: although now that I think about it, that would signify a big change to a bunch of the events so probably not Rev. Melchisedech Howler fucked around with this message at 12:31 on Apr 29, 2023 |
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Rev. Melchisedech Howler posted:I'm assuming from the changes that science ships aren't going to require a scientist onboard anymore. It would go against their less quantity, more quality shift they're going for with leaders I'm fairly sure that's completely wrong, as there's Assist Research stuff, survey bonuses etc still. They just said that science ship spam isn't as viable anymore.
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Yeah leaders look to have scaling upkeep and then whatever the penalty for going over the soft cap is (probably further increased upkeep), so I assume at least early you’ll be relatively limited just by unity if nothing else.
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Time to do the one trick, maximum empathy for maximum Unity. Fanatic Egalitarian Xenophiles with shared burdens
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I'll be happy not to have a handful of governors, a bunch of admirals, a general and a mile long sheet of scientists. Especially how bad the leader screen UI is without a mod to shrink the size of the leaders down to at most half.
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My only disappointment is that this was the perfect time to make envoys into proper characters. Remove generals if you have to have only four types.
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Kind of excited for what this might mean for Progenitor Hives. It's by far my favourite empire to play and all these souped up leaders could be a pretty big deal considering how fast they level up in the current game. Having a high tier admiral with all the new perks could be a pretty impactful on the early game, and the scientist track to buff Assist Research could mean pretty strong planetary buffs for them too.
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How do you counter torpedoes in the new meta? Does point defense actually work against them? Strike craft?
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PittTheElder posted:How do you counter torpedoes in the new meta? Does point defense actually work against them? Strike craft? Lots of point defense. Strike Craft no longer pick off missiles/torpedos.
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Definitely think it would be cool to see the Master of Orion leader scheme more implemented. System they have is neat in theory but in practice doesn't work out very well because just requires too much leader micromanagement. Which is probably a symptom of a game itself. A lot of the systems they have are cool to start with but don't scale very well.
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Filboid Studge posted:Had a weird start recently in MP. Started without any missile tech (nuclear missiles not an option) and didn’t get any until the level 2 ones showed up in debris. It’s like 2270 now and I still don’t have frigates!
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Dallan Invictus posted:yeah but it would nonetheless be nice if more Stellaris "negative traits" had positive tradeoffs like CK traits do This is all I'm asking for
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EKHH3kLKFU Yup, that obelisk thingy is indeed one of the legendary leaders. Pretty cool, and more psionic love is always appreciated. I have to say, Stellaris right now is a ton of fun. AI is no longer totally braindead, a lot of messy systems have been cleaned up by the Custodians, and new content is generally quite good. I recently learned that the Zroni Stormcaster with the archotech ascension perk has the effect of reducing enemy ship hp by 10% per day! And that's max hp, meaning no matter how tough an enemy ship is, it's destroyed in just ten days. That's so crazy. This effect goes down to 1% per day if the fleet is in combat, but that still makes the stormcaster an absolutely incredible tool to hold a chokepoint system. I also tried out the Baol unique building with an angler focused race, and it's quite powerful. I did genetic ascension, so the food was welcome, and with the consumer goods production from anglers plus the increased trade value and the trade policy that turns some of the trade value into consumer goods, I could get by with like 10% as many artisans as I usually have, which meant I had so many more pops producing alloys.
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Dallan Invictus posted:yeah but it would nonetheless be nice if more Stellaris "negative traits" had positive tradeoffs like CK traits do When developing the new system they hopefully threw out everything and started from scratch, and the reason there's this "negative trait potential" is because they were working on their system, identified one or more game needs, thought "Hmm, the solution for this would probably be best implemented as some form of negative trait system", designed one by starting with the identified game need and filling from there, and did a cool and excellent job that makes gaining negative traits a net benefit fun-and-gameplay-wise. What I'm worried happened is they said "OK, so how do we fit negative traits into this" and worked from there, because that's not a recipe for good game. Splicer fucked around with this message at 13:16 on Apr 30, 2023 |
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Birb https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNpcVmBIad0
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They need to start hiring a few in-house writers to produce alt-history and Stellaris lore novels like the Black Library for WH40k. I would read a book about that bird.
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I'm assuming there's more to espionage than "gather information" and "steal relic," but I can't figure it out. Is there a specific expansion pack or civic that enables more options?
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Yeah, expanded espionage options are gated under the Nemesis expansion. They still aren't really worthwhile, since they all cost a chunk of Influence and give such wonderful bonuses as "target's federation loses 20 Cohesion" or "target empire suffers an Envoy Event". Steal Technology is kinda neat, but I've never once bothered with espionage after they changed it to cost Influence instead of money. It still costs money anyway, as an upkeep until the mission is over. Nemesis also includes the whole Become the Crisis and Galactic Custodian mechanics, which are actually pretty fun.
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Guess I'll see how steep the discount is with Paragons.
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If you want to do better than like 30% off anymore I feel like you either need to watch for special key site deals through something like isthereanydeal, wait multiple years (at which point the discount seems to cap at 50%) or wait for some kind of bundle. 20% looks like the standard Nemesis discount on Steam the last couple of years. This expansion will release alongside an anniversary event so maybe there will be some extra deals, though. Anno fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Apr 30, 2023 |
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Maximum Tomfoolery posted:Yeah, expanded espionage options are gated under the Nemesis expansion. They still aren't really worthwhile, since they all cost a chunk of Influence and give such wonderful bonuses as "target's federation loses 20 Cohesion" or "target empire suffers an Envoy Event". Steal Technology is kinda neat, but I've never once bothered with espionage after they changed it to cost Influence instead of money. It still costs money anyway, as an upkeep until the mission is over. There is an unlockable "blow up the enemies home world star unless they complete a situation."
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Which will never actually complete because unless you're already occupying their star during wartime, it's trivially easy to stop. Hell, with new cloaking mechanics, it's probably still doable with an enemy fleet parked on it. edit: I will say, most of these espionage options sound a lot more viable in a multiplayer game, like slowing down the growth of a federation that's actually competitive with yours. Planting an easily defuse-able bomb on their home star would be a very funny way to antagonize a player. Maximum Tomfoolery fucked around with this message at 20:03 on Apr 30, 2023 |
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Finishing up (yet another) Remnants rogue servitor run trying out a couple new mods. I've come away very impressed with Shroud Rising. This could easily be incorporated into the base game and you'd barely notice the difference - well written events, crazy bespoke graphics stuff, the AI plays well with the unique mechanics, it's great. Easy recommendation if you want a new mid/late game crisis. Also reminded that this is the only 4x that I’ve played much that’s ever done the world congress thing that's actually interesting and good. I love the galactic community, though I think with new resolutions and whatnot being added it might be time to decrease some of the wait times a bit. Anno fucked around with this message at 03:55 on May 1, 2023 |
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Anno posted:Also reminded that this is the only 4x that's every done the world congress thing that's actually interesting and good. I love the galactic community, though I think with new resolutions and whatnot being added it might be time to decrease some of the wait times a bit. I dunno, I always enjoyed the Planetary Council for SMAC. It could pass some pretty hefty and meaningful resolutions, and bribing/horse trading other faction leaders to get their support was fun.
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DrSunshine posted:I dunno, I always enjoyed the Planetary Council for SMAC. It could pass some pretty hefty and meaningful resolutions, and bribing/horse trading other faction leaders to get their support was fun. Tbh I’ve played very little SMAC. I didn’t get in to map games until Anno 1404 and then Civ V and have had a hard time committing a lot of playtime towards most older games. Anno fucked around with this message at 03:56 on May 1, 2023 |
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Anno posted:Tbh I’ve played very little SMAC. I didn’t get in to map games until Anno 1404 and then Civ V and have had a hard time committing a lot of playtime towards most older games. It was my favorite game as a kid/young teen, and got me into so many philosophy books that were way ahead of my level! In retrospect, perhaps my impression of it and the systems are clouded by nostalgia and one's impression as a kid, but 
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DrSunshine posted:It was my favorite game as a kid/young teen, and got me into so many philosophy books that were way ahead of my level! In retrospect, perhaps my impression of it and the systems are clouded by nostalgia and one's impression as a kid, but Everything I've seen of it is a very cool game, stylistically, that successfully took the Civ formula and made an actual narrative out of it with interesting characters. However, every time I've tried playing it I bounce right off the abysmal UI. It's very much a product of its time.
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Espionage operation to blow up the sun has to be a Deep Space Nine reference.
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DrSunshine posted:It was my favorite game as a kid/young teen, and got me into so many philosophy books that were way ahead of my level! In retrospect, perhaps my impression of it and the systems are clouded by nostalgia and one's impression as a kid, but Honestly same. I poached my dad's SMAC disc (not that he really cares because he ripped it all and went digital copies on a local NAS forever ago) Oh yeah and it's me again, and I am proud to announce I secured a victory, as a determined exterminator machine intelligence even. I found the playstyle just clicked with me more, so, y'know. That helped
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Relevant Tangent posted:this should give every other empire a "make them pay" total war cb on you  
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Xenophile/Genetic-ascended empires should be allowed to clone Bubbles or otherwise be able to engage in space amoeba husbandry.
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Fanatic Xenophile space should feel weird. Ranch Tiyanki that you've pacified, void clouds harnessed to your whims, crystalline entities going about their mysterious business.
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Torrannor posted:I have to say, Stellaris right now is a ton of fun. AI is no longer totally braindead, a lot of messy systems have been cleaned up by the Custodians, and new content is generally quite good. I recently learned that the Zroni Stormcaster with the archotech ascension perk has the effect of reducing enemy ship hp by 10% per day! And that's max hp, meaning no matter how tough an enemy ship is, it's destroyed in just ten days. That's so crazy. This effect goes down to 1% per day if the fleet is in combat, but that still makes the stormcaster an absolutely incredible tool to hold a chokepoint system. I was gonna say, the Storm Caster sure as hell didn't do that in my game, but I missed the bit about Archeo-Engineers (and DLC gating according to the wiki). It takes what, like 16 days to traverse the smallest possible system? That's absurdly broken lol PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 23:09 on May 1, 2023 |
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PittTheElder posted:I was gonna say, the Storm Caster sure as hell didn't do that in my game, but I missed the bit about Archeo-Engineers (and DLC gating according to the wiki). It takes what, like 16 days to traverse the smallest possible system? That's absurdly broken lol stick it in a neutron star trinary system lmao
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The wiki is missing a decimal point. It's 0.10% per day...
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^^^ that makes considerably more senseHelloSailorSign posted:stick it in a neutron star trinary system lmao In a game I started recently, there was a system two jumps away from my home system that had two -50% speed modifiers, meaning it took years to traverse the thing. I eventually just gave up on that game because it was too irritating. Could have gone around it but couldn't stop ships from trying to path through it
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PittTheElder posted:Could have gone around it but couldn't stop ships from trying to path through it If you zoom into a system you can click a button on the bottom center bar to forbid ships from entering. Useful for marauder or leviathan systems you're not ready to gently caress with too. Less nice when VLUUR shows up and you can't zoom into the system to unforbid it but that's a relatively rare situation at least.
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isndl posted:If you zoom into a system you can click a button on the bottom center bar to forbid ships from entering. Useful for marauder or leviathan systems you're not ready to gently caress with too. It does not work if you already own the system unfortunately E: wtf does VLUUR even do, I see the popup all the time but have never noticed it actually do anything E2: oh I'm supposed to shoot it? I thought it was literally space weather lol. Can you farm the ever elusive cloud lightning from it? PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 06:04 on May 2, 2023 |
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