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MikeJF posted:Eh, there's a lot of sense to doing it like that: on the Stargazer bridge and its reuses, the captain can turn and directly look at and address any station with ease, they're all an easy glance away. One of the big flaws with most of the 24th century ships (except the Defiant) is that a lot of the stations are entirely out of the captain's view, in favour of putting them in the audience's view instead. It works on TNG because Picard was such an aloof character that he could bark orders to Worf behind him without ever turning to face him and trust that he'd carry them out without having to stoop to the micromanager low of actually turning around to look at him. It gets a little out in the weeds when you get to Voyager and like 75% of the bridge crew is behind Janeway in the low-rider bench seat captains chair so Kate Mulgrew was constantly having to either stand up or crane her neck around to give orders to Harry, Tuvok, and Seven. At least on Enterprise, Mayweather, Hoshi, Reed and T'Pol were all directly in Archer's line of sight, because the NX-01 bridge was designed after the OG Enterprise one.
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nine-gear crow posted:It gets a little out in the weeds when you get to Voyager and like 75% of the bridge crew is behind Janeway in the low-rider bench seat captains chair so Kate Mulgrew was constantly having to either stand up or crane her neck around to give orders to Harry, Tuvok, and Seven. And Voyager's bridge had that big informational ship diagram, massive for clarity, that nobody could see, too.
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I do appreciate the Voyager bridge as an completely independent station for each operation though.
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nine-gear crow posted:Voyager is also the most-streamed Classic Trek series of the whole lot. It was also more watched than DS9, even back in it's heyday.  I don't know why this is such a big pet peeve of mine, but this isn't true, not if you go by Nielsen ratings. https://web.archive.org/web/20110708042532/http://www.madmind.de/2009/05/02/all-star-trek-movies-and-episodes-in-two-charts/ Classic 90s Trek ratings are literally just a chronological decline with TNG at the top and Enterprise at the bottom. Voyager was marketed to hell and back, but it never even managed to beat DS9, which was itself a disappointment compared to TNG. And yes, I know that Voyager aired on UPN vs. DS9's direct run to syndication, but the trend is exactly the same between both series. Even the premieres never managed to capture the same audience as the premieres of the previous series.
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I remember watching the DS9 premiere and thinking "Well this sucks, they're stuck on a space station."
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Paradoxish posted:Classic 90s Trek ratings are literally just a chronological decline with TNG at the top and Enterprise at the bottom. Which itself was mostly just tvratings.txt as the audience split into more and more small pieces across a wider range of stuff. You could create the universally agreed greatest Trek series of all time today and it will never even touch TNG season 1's ratings.
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The interactive bridge browser really confirms how small those sets were, the TOS bridge always seems it should be so much bigger to me the way it was shot and lit.
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Wee Bairns posted:The interactive bridge browser really confirms how small those sets were, the TOS bridge always seems it should be so much bigger to me the way it was shot and lit. Ten Forward, too. There was only space for a few tiny tables. 
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Powered Descent posted:Ten Forward, too. There was only space for a few tiny tables. They never showed the massive queue of people outside the slidey doors, all waiting for a table to open up. "Is Riker done eating his Klingon buffet yet?" "No" "Typical."
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davidspackage posted:They never showed the massive queue of people outside the slidey doors, all waiting for a table to open up. Nah, Ten Forward is for top brass and suckups. Most regular crew go to Twenty Port where there is plenty of room. (Not actually canon in any way)
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I am pretty sure the captain’s quarters were right above 10-Forward, so everyone had to make sure to keep it down or else he’s be banging on his floor with a broom.
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jeeves posted:I am pretty sure the captain’s quarters were right above 10-Forward, so everyone had to make sure to keep it down or else he’s be banging on his floor with a broom. I could see everyone freeze up in the middle of a (Space) New Year's party and Picard's standing in the doorway in slippers, a night gown and wearing a sleeping cap with a tassel, hands indignantly on his sides
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davidspackage posted:I could see everyone freeze up in the middle of a (Space) New Year's party and Picard's standing in the doorway in slippers, a night gown and wearing a sleeping cap with a tassel, hands indignantly on his sides "You there, borg! What day is this?"
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It would have been pretty cool if we saw a second rec/lounge space somewhere on the D just to mix it up, but Ten Forward is a pretty economical concept.
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When they need more bars they just run additional Ten Forwards in the holodeck
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nine-gear crow posted:It's basically an axiom at this point: people will tell you they loved Deep Space Nine, but they actually watched Voyager. Because it was mostly unwatchable.
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Nessus posted:It would have been pretty cool if we saw a second rec/lounge space somewhere on the D just to mix it up, but Ten Forward is a pretty economical concept. Didn't we see one in season one? It was pretty small IIRC, Geordi goes there to look out a window or something.
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davidspackage posted:I could see everyone freeze up in the middle of a (Space) New Year's party and Picard's standing in the doorway in slippers, a night gown and wearing a sleeping cap with a tassel, hands indignantly on his sides "................ Come cheer up, my lads, tis to glory we steer!"
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Animal-Mother posted:"................ Come cheer up, my lads, tis to glory we steer!" [epic fist fight brawl ensues]
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piratepilates posted:That Enterprise from Star Trek: Planet of the Titans that they have on https://roddenberry.x.io/ just looks awful. I don't know how they planned to film in that thing with the captain raised 10 feet above everyone else, and aside from that it just seems like a dumb design. What's with the XO and Troi chair in front of the Captain's chair (that is itself on a ziggaraut for some reason) positioned right in front of the lip of the raised platform, so they can fall 10 feet whenever they get in to a battle It reminds me a little of how starship bridges always seem to look in sci-fi anime - raised captain's position at the back, officers and crew in lowered recesses in front, big ol' dome up top that's either a window or a holographic screen or both. Sometimes there's stations on the captain's flank or guardrails on the captain's elevated deck but otherwise it's usually always just that Yeah I'm watching Legend of the Galactic Heroes for the first time why you ask
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I decided to rewatch "The Last Ship" which really strikes me as a much better "action sci fi" show than anything Picard has done. But also bridges are much different than any Star Trek, and the roles of the bridge officers feel very different as well.
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Lowen SoDium posted:Because it was mostly unwatchable.  I know hot takes are just a staple of the internet, but if you're gonna' malign one of the best shows in the history of television and the most popular Star Trek show on this forum, you'd better say why you didn't like it instead of just dropping a turd in the punchbowl and leaving.
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Eighties ZomCom posted:Didn't we see one in season one? It was pretty small IIRC, Geordi goes there to look out a window or something. Since Ten Forward was always full of the senior staff it was probably only where the suck-ups went to hang out. All the cool crewmembers were probably smoking in the nacelles or something.
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Knormal posted:smoking in the nacelles or something. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxYy4rMXU1U
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LividLiquid posted:We've got a badass over here. I haven't seen many accolades from this site about the show but ok. The characters range from dumb and boring to flat out unlikable, except for maybe Seven and the Doc. It has some of the worse technobabble solutions of the whole franchise It completely waste it's premise's potential with conflicts of the Maqui and Fed crew and their limited resources never really limited. Most of the plots are pretty bland. And too many of them end with really lame reset buttons.
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I'm guessing they thought you were saying DS9 was unwatchable, not VOY
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Brawnfire posted:I'm guessing they thought you were saying DS9 was unwatchable, not VOY re-reading the post that he was quoting, I see now that I miss read the person I was quoting. I thought it was saying that Voyager wasn't actually watch. So that is on me, sorry.
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I assumed OP was rational which meant Voyager was the one in the line of fire
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Eighties ZomCom posted:Didn't we see one in season one? It was pretty small IIRC, Geordi goes there to look out a window or something. There was a banquet room we saw a few times in season 1, with a nice window and a big Federation logo on the wall. And they used the quarters set with the sloping windows as a lounge a few times too. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 05:31 on May 1, 2023 |
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BattleMaster posted:
I can instantly tell it's remote because I live in Australia and every single interaction is delayed by the trans-pacific hop lag.  Just in general I want ot smack whoever did this web design. Yeah, LCARS isn't a great interface, but you can do better than this. Pretty sure a lot of this is touch-first design. Like the sideways scrolling on the ship bar. Ugh.
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They got the conference room on the Enterprise-D wrong. They've just got a little corridor, but it's actually down a ramp a half-level! You can see it on the outside, even including the little extension of the bump where the ramp goes down; the bridge itself is higher up so picard can have a fancy window. 
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MikeJF posted:And they used the quarters set with the sloping windows as a lounge a few times too. I really like the Ensign's quarters in SNW, witht he big communal space and the privacy nooks. Space is at a premium so the lower-ranks get shoved into communal dorms, but it's still the Federation so it's cool and cosy and non-dehumanising.
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Meanwhile Pike's quarters are HUGE. I know he's the captain and all, but dang.
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MF got a fireplace, where's the loving chimney
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zoux posted:MF got a fireplace, where's the loving chimney - a furious Santa on the hull of the Enterprise
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Having finished both s1 and s2 of TNG I'll just say: not nearly as bad as I remembered! I think a lot of the really bad episodes are front loaded into season one and those stick in people's heads, I didn't realize code of honor was the third episode, but there were a lot of really enjoyable episodes, even ones that I used to think were terrible like The Big Goodbye or Outrageous Okona ranged from "oh, this isn't that bad" to "actually enjoyable." There's a huge shift in characterization from Farpoint that is mostly fixed by the end of s1, even Tasha Yar becomes a decent character by her last coupla episodes. I actually do like Worf's s1 characterization, where he was more laid back and wry, I don't like the Fundamentalist Klingon he becomes by the end of s2, finally cemented in "The Emissary", which is the characterization they kept up mostly until s6/7 of DS9.
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Fighting Trousers posted:Meanwhile Pike's quarters are HUGE. I know he's the captain and all, but dang. To be fair, it seems like a lot of that is the captain's dining room and social lounge, which can be an important space on a ship, a place for the captain to conduct business in a less formal setting, hold meetings while eating, things like that, or for entertaining VIPs. Historically, the really nice quarters like Pike's or the big senior officer rooms on the D are called staterooms because of their use in entertaining or accommodating VIPs, if I recall correctly. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 17:15 on May 1, 2023 |
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