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mdemone posted:I demand a show centered around an Imperial defector that becomes a double agent for the Rebels. There are multiple episodes in Rebels about the slow burn of Agent Kallus from privileged Imperial Officer to mole to defector.
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swickles posted:There are multiple episodes in Rebels about the slow burn of Agent Kallus from privileged Imperial Officer to mole to defector. Zeb's reaction when asked "What, who flipped Kallus to the good guys?" was great. "Uh... I guess I did?!?"
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May 1, 2023 18:38
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Eiba posted:All fascists are trying to do "good". Eh. Sure, there are "true believers", but in a fascist regime a lot of people are doing what they are doing only because it's easier to follow orders rather than oppose them, or because supporting the regime it's more convenient for their personal goals.
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May 1, 2023 18:47
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Eiba posted:A villain with understandable motivations is indeed usually a better villain. You went a bit beyond that There are, from what I'm reading, at least 4 to 5 books I haven't read through yet. I read four of them before getting side tracked on something else. I've read:
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May 1, 2023 18:59
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Burning_Monk posted:The base commander in Andor. Though we don't see his conversion first hand. Also the ISB operative in Andor.
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May 1, 2023 19:04
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The Officer in Obiwan. Did she flipped or was she always a rebel spy? I forgot.
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May 1, 2023 19:10
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Chronojam posted:I kinda read that as the backwoods tribe unable to fly for an hour or whatever after the bird, but the high-end successful tribe could take fifteen minutes to ascend. That’s also pretty funny to me. The group without helmets has all the same weapons, are experts at jet packing and have a giant fleet. The guys with helmets live in sewers and caves and are routinely eaten by wildlife. When the big speech about “We’ve lived on the edge of extinction for over a 1000 years” came I couldn’t help but laugh.
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May 1, 2023 19:13
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Madurai posted:Also the ISB operative in Andor. Jury is still out on Lonni considering Luthen is blackmailing him using his family. He could just as easily crack under suspicion and sell out Luthen.
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May 1, 2023 19:22
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unruly posted:Okay, I'll admit that I haven't read all of the Thrawn stuff yet, so I am probably missing a big component of where things go off the rails. Oh yeah, it’s going to be a different view for those of us who started with the OG Thrawn trilogy, at his most Imperial, or Rebels where he is a big old paternalistic colonialist. Young Thrawn is a whole thing.
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May 1, 2023 19:23
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mdemone posted:I think it would be nice to have an Imperial do the Finn thing and have an epiphany that leads them to rethink their allegiance. Have we seen that, ever? There's an ex-storm trooper in Andor, the officer on the base in the same arc. Oh and Bill Burr Madurai posted:Also the ISB operative in Andor.
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May 1, 2023 19:23
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unruly posted:Okay, I'll admit that I haven't read all of the Thrawn stuff yet, so I am probably missing a big component of where things go off the rails. For my part, the most recent EU books I've read are - in order of appearance (whether I actually read them in that order I don't remember) - Tatooine Ghost, Survivor's Quest (that is to say I have it, but I don't recall anything about it) and Outbound Flight; notice a pattern? And now I'm wondering whether after all these years it would be worth picking up some newer books, again about Thrawn. Anyway the only Imperial defector who matters is Kyle Katarn. 
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May 1, 2023 19:39
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Yeah, you gotta read the OG Zahn trilogy. It's so loving good and captures everything good about Star Wars. Even bullshit LUUKE Maybe be like me and listen to Linken Park's Meteora when reading.  I bought that album when I was visiting the UK and then found the Zahn trilogy in a used bookstore. The songs sorta lined up with the story. 
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Vintersorg posted:Yeah, you gotta read the OG Zahn trilogy. It's so loving good and captures everything good about Star Wars. quote:Maybe be like me and listen to Linken Park's Meteora when reading. P.S. quote:Even bullshit LUUKE
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May 1, 2023 19:46
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It's a surprisingly good album and I am a giant metal snob. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H4l9RpkwM
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I am half joking of course. I had just bought it and wanted to get into it and it lined up with those books. The same thing happened when I read the Steve Jobs biography and Daft Punk's "Random Access Memories" came out so I was listening to it non-stop and reading. Some of the more chill songs lined up with some of the many low points in Jobs life. It's kinda neat.
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unruly posted:Okay, I'll admit that I haven't read all of the Thrawn stuff yet, so I am probably missing a big component of where things go off the rails. Whoa whoa whoa, you haven't read the original Thrawn trilogy from the 90's? Either that's on you for leaving out some incredibly crucial context for this discussion, or that's on me for being too old to have conversations like this on the internet these days. Probably the latter. The Thrawn you're reading about is a bit of a reinvention in itself from what we all knew for years. I'm re-reading Heir to the Empire right now, and it holds up like crazy. I think Zahn nailed Thrawn's character right out of the gate, and he's only been watering him down ever since. There's still some good stuff in those books, but you really owe it to yourself to read the Thrawn books from 91-93. They're not canon anymore, but they're clearly going to be an inspiration for at least the Ahsoka show, and they're just good books. And, while not exactly the same, Thrawn from Rebels is probably closer to the one from the original books than he is the one from the books you've read.
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YggdrasilTM posted:Eh. Sure, there are "true believers", but in a fascist regime a lot of people are doing what they are doing only because it's easier to follow orders rather than oppose them, or because supporting the regime it's more convenient for their personal goals. Exactly. Every fascist regime is made up of sincere ideologues; capitalists, grifters and scammers trying to make money; functionaries from the previous government or military jockeying for position and favor; sadistic psychopaths looking for violence; cowed people who follow along to survive; and a whole lot of other types. Almost by definition, fascism requires a lot cynical, lying assholes to work. And it's always half grift-n-graft. The far right in the US at present has all these types. The Empire has all these types. Love Rat fucked around with this message at 22:31 on May 1, 2023 |
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Imperial defectors becoming rebels are such a massively overused trope at this point I'm almost rolling my eyes every time we get another story beat featuring one. You'd think the Empire would go full scorched earth on traitors and their families after having it happen so. many. times.
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Parkingtigers posted:Imperial defectors becoming rebels are such a massively overused trope at this point I'm almost rolling my eyes every time we get another story beat featuring one. You'd think the Empire would go full scorched earth on traitors and their families after having it happen so. many. times. Well Krennic tried to but Forrest Whitaker had dug a Hole
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swickles posted:There are multiple episodes in Rebels about the slow burn of Agent Kallus from privileged Imperial Officer to mole to defector. Maybe I will finally watch Rebels
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I guessed correctly there would be a page for this on Wookiepedia. Now bear in mind there are some outdated stuff and duplicates because of legends/new canon, but there are 263 individual imperials who defected listed there.
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Parkingtigers posted:I guessed correctly there would be a page for this on Wookiepedia. Now bear in mind there are some outdated stuff and duplicates because of legends/new canon, but there are 263 individual imperials who defected listed there. Not that bad when you consider the size of the empire tbh. That’s like one defector for what, every thousand planets?
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skasion posted:Not that bad when you consider the size of the empire tbh. That’s like one defector for what, every thousand planets? At its peak the Galactic Empire had approximately 1.5 million member planets.
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where should I start with star trek?
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bigtag posted:where should I start with star trek? The Cage.
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YggdrasilTM posted:At its peak the Galactic Empire had approximately 1.5 million member planets. Planets with only one town with one bar and one biome. Lol scale in Star Wars is ridiculous to justify.
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Burning_Monk posted:Planets with only one town with one bar and one biome. I think those would count in the sixty-nine million colonies, protectorates and puppet state directly controlled by it.
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Vintersorg posted:Yeah, you gotta read the OG Zahn trilogy. It's so loving good and captures everything good about Star Wars. Let's not go crazy with the nostalgia goggles here. I agree it's a useful read, especially given that they're evidently going to be mined for content. But I spent way too much of the book going "No, gently caress you," to the direction it was headed. It doesn't "capture what was good about Star Wars," nearly so much as it bent everything after it to fit.
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YggdrasilTM posted:At its peak the Galactic Empire had approximately 1.5 million member planets. Wow! That's about one clone trooper per planet
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Burning_Monk posted:Planets with only one town with one bar and one biome. I really got a laugh out of the scene in Mando season 3 where all the pirate-attacked town members assemble away from the city, and there's like 40 of them. Like, what exactly are they storing in all those buildings? The emptiness of towns and settlements across the galaxy was always a thing, but that took it to the next level. You have this whole inhabitable planet and there are 40 people living on it. Even in Andor, the much more sizable and realistically--scaled industry town seems a bit small to matter that much (aside from economic importance). SW is a setting where 200 people in a Podunk town are just as important as planet-sprawling cities. Sometimes it makes sense; sometimes it's just hilariously out of scale. The empire spends so many resources holding down hick agricultural worlds. With Mando, the show has a problem making any location actually seem alive or inhabited.
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bigtag posted:where should I start with star trek? DS9, then work your way back through TNG and TOS. Skip most of the rest. Season 3 of Picard is curiously decent and so are parts of Strange New Worlds, but you can skip Voyager (it's sorta fun), Discovery, and Enterprise altogether.
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Love Rat posted:I really got a laugh out of the scene in Mando season 3 where all the pirate-attacked town members assemble away from the city, and there's like 40 of them. Like, what exactly are they storing in all those buildings? The emptiness of towns and settlements across the galaxy was always a thing, but that took it to the next level. You have this whole inhabitable planet and there are 40 people living on it. Even in Andor, the much more sizable and realistically--scaled industry town seems a bit small to matter that much (aside from economic importance). SW is a setting where 200 people in a Podunk town are just as important as planet-sprawling cities. Sometimes it makes sense; sometimes it's just hilariously out of scale. The empire spends so many resources holding down hick agricultural worlds. The other filmed inside the world's most advanced green screen, and the fire marshal counted heads
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HootTheOwl posted:One show hired extras and filmed on location. Indeed. And it definitely shows.
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Love Rat posted:DS9, then work your way back through TNG and TOS. Skip most of the rest. Finish with Galaxy Quest
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Mando and BoBF did use sets+extensions for some exterior stuff, just nowhere near the same scale as Andor.
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https://twitter.com/ATRightMovies/status/1652726787200233479 Lmao
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Arc Hammer posted:I keep seeing that and I still hate it. 
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