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Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 11 days!
https://twitter.com/piper4missouri/status/1650557274295787542?t=QTkXpo-Pk_B6zs9AmtEhJA&s=19

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I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Captain_Maclaine posted:

I half recall him going on about LSAT scores and getting owned, but I may be misremembering.

He said Bill Clinton was an undeserving untermench who could never have succeeded on his own merits, so I challenged him to take the lsat with me and we’d see who could get closer to the minimum score to be considered for admission to Yale, where Clinton got his JD.

Jrod hasn’t posted since, but I’m still down for the challenge, Jrod! You set the date and we’ll go head-to-head in a standardized steel cage!

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

Brace yourself for this one.

https://twitter.com/LPNH/status/1650529542384103431

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




Grimey Drawer

"Socialism = State Violence" is hilariously oversimplified and wrong when Fascism is right there, but as usual, scratch a libertarian and a Fascist bleeds.

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Mr Interweb posted:

the housing market is flourishing nicely under libertarian principles:

https://twitter.com/ohshidt/status/1650172255161253888

*Austrianishly*

They wanted to watch their house tumble off a cliff or they would have paid for their own sediment studies, everybody's happy

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

I AM GRANDO posted:

He said Bill Clinton was an undeserving untermench who could never have succeeded on his own merits, so I challenged him to take the lsat with me and we’d see who could get closer to the minimum score to be considered for admission to Yale, where Clinton got his JD.

Jrod hasn’t posted since, but I’m still down for the challenge, Jrod! You set the date and we’ll go head-to-head in a standardized steel cage!

Yeah one of the problems of believing in a Randian universe where genetic supermen rise to the top and direct society by virtue of their superior brains and ability, is that you also have to justify disagreeing with people richer and more powerful than you who, according to that philosophy, know better than you.

Bill Clinton is evil, not stupid, but they can't admit that because if smart people can be wrong then the whole philosophy collapses, so they just have to say that a nobody who is a Rhodes scholar and went to Yale without a rich daddy to buy the school a new dorm is somehow an idiot who is intellectually inferior to anyone who took AP Bio.

Hypothetically there's an angle there where you could say that academia is pointless navel-gazing and tests just measure rote memorization, so none of their scores and awards mean anything and the real measure of intelligence is the school of hard knocks or whatever, but jrod couldn't do that while also citing the SATs and grades as proof of his superior intelligence. Also kinda conflicts with their other goal of constructing racial hierarchies based on test scores and IQ averages and poo poo

right to bear karma
Feb 20, 2001

There's a Dr. Fist here to see you.
https://twitter.com/LouisianaLp/status/1651640131172933650

Nice, what a very reasonable statem--

https://twitter.com/LPCO/status/1651616931185844224

what the gently caress

predicto
Jul 22, 2004

THE DEM DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON

Libertarians were already stupid, but in the past few years, the national Libertarian party and two thirds of the state Libertarian parties were taken over in coups by alt-right social conservative racists that call themselves the Mises Caucus. There is nothing "Libertarian" about them other than pretending to be politically independent.

predicto fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Apr 28, 2023

theshim
May 1, 2012

You think you can defeat ME, Ephraimcopter?!?

You couldn't even beat Assassincopter!!!
notice which one has the checkmark :v:

right to bear karma
Feb 20, 2001

There's a Dr. Fist here to see you.

predicto posted:

Libertarians were already stupid, but in the past few years, the national Libertarian party and two thirds the state Libertarian parties were taken over in coups by alt-right social conservative racists that call themselves the Mises Caucus. There is nothing "Libertarian" about them other than pretending to be politically independent.

I've been following that to some extent since I know a number of people who jumped ship during and after the takeover. At least a couple of state affiliates had the sense to dissociate entirely. The party was never good, but it's presently a far cry from the LP that invited Bookchin to speak back in the day and used to at least have a libsoc presence.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Probably still accurate to say that a lot of Bush and Obama era libertarians were either on their way to socialism or on their way to fascism. Whatever's left and aren't using the label as a cover to stand out in a crowded field tend to be the weirdos, or at least terminal ditherers.

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 11 days!

predicto posted:

Libertarians were already stupid, but in the past few years, the national Libertarian party and two thirds the state Libertarian parties were taken over in coups by alt-right social conservative racists that call themselves the Mises Caucus. There is nothing "Libertarian" about them other than pretending to be politically independent.

https://twitter.com/TRHLofficial/status/1651759124122591235?t=m_8O_aKrbrlCJGEGPAX1JQ&s=19

I've noticed that libertarians like this lady really ramped up the anti LGBTQ rhetoric once they longer had covid/lockdowns/vaccines to whine about. For two years she railed about covid policies until she got banned from Twitter for spreading misinformation. After Musk took over her acct was reinstated and she had pivoted to posts like this.

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

I suspect they're just following the standard right-wing strategy of amping up hate against an outgroup to attract support and dehumanize their opponents, and like the rest of the right, shifting cultural norms have forced them to update their targets to stay relevant.

We've all seen the stuff from Rothbard and Ron Paul in the 70s going hard against civil rights and MLK and defending apartheid South Africa, and they were still making those very unpopular arguments into the 2010s.

They're only just now catching up to the rest of the right wing which long since moved on to anti-abortion, gay panic and (with their defeat over gay marriage), now trans panic

VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Apr 28, 2023

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

What a time to be alive, when libertarians are arguing against adults having sex with children.

Has she ever clarified that it’s ok when a man is doing it to a girl? Seems like she’s risking credibility with her core audience, frankly.

Proust Malone
Apr 4, 2008

I AM GRANDO posted:

What a time to be alive, when libertarians are arguing against adults having sex with children.

Has she ever clarified that it’s ok when a man is doing it to a girl? Seems like she’s risking credibility with her core audience, frankly.

You just have to buy the child first obvs.

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

In the Trump thread someone posted a Fox poll that suggests the anti LGBTQ+ stuff is incredibly unpopular so I don’t even know why the Red Libertarian is jumping into that swamp

I get that she’s just a chud but still

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

Professor Shark posted:

In the Trump thread someone posted a Fox poll that suggests the anti LGBTQ+ stuff is incredibly unpopular so I don’t even know why the Red Libertarian is jumping into that swamp

I get that she’s just a chud but still

The people it's unpopular with don't click

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Professor Shark posted:

In the Trump thread someone posted a Fox poll that suggests the anti LGBTQ+ stuff is incredibly unpopular so I don’t even know why the Red Libertarian is jumping into that swamp

I get that she’s just a chud but still

Because she doesn't care about the Libertarian Party or ideology as such, she's in it to make money and homophobes will throw money at people who make them feel like they aren't stupid assholes clinging to the wrong side of history.

Same reason she's also militant about opposing women's right to vote. Obviously a disaster of a plank for a political party to tell 52% of the electorate to gently caress off, but she is not a politician. For an opportunist hoping to make money off of pandering to people, going to the James Damores of the world and telling them what they want to hear isn't a bad angle to make a little cash.

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
she's just thirsty regressive trap #94763234....43349879 she'll have her time and then fadeand replaced by another grifer.

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Remember Ann Coulter, she made a career off saying incredibly stupid poo poo like we should invade the entire Middle East in a new crusade to convert all the infidels by the sword, and then it turned out the Bush political dynasty couldn't even survive starting a second stupid war after Afghanistan.

But it got her on TV and made her a bunch of money for a while, enough to live on still even though she's irrelevant now, and that's all she really wanted.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


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VitalSigns posted:

Remember Ann Coulter, she made a career off saying incredibly stupid poo poo like we should invade the entire Middle East in a new crusade to convert all the infidels by the sword, and then it turned out the Bush political dynasty couldn't even survive starting a second stupid war after Afghanistan.

But it got her on TV and made her a bunch of money for a while, enough to live on still even though she's irrelevant now, and that's all she really wanted.

It also caused her to sleep with Bill Maher. So, who is to say if it was worth it or not?

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

I did not want to know that

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
New rule...

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


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VitalSigns posted:

I did not want to know that

If Matilda has to know, then we all have to share her burden.

Although, it was apparently back in 1994. So, she had already started her career of saying outrageous things when they dated, but she hadn't made it big yet.

https://twitter.com/MaraWilson/status/833118919757950976

Fighting Trousers
May 17, 2011

Does this excite you, girl?
I can't imagine either of them is a good lay, so they both got what they deserve.

Bel Shazar
Sep 14, 2012

Neither of their faces move that must be so god damned weird.

E: ahh, it was prior to plasticization

predicto
Jul 22, 2004

THE DEM DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON

VitalSigns posted:

Remember Ann Coulter, she made a career off saying incredibly stupid poo poo like we should invade the entire Middle East in a new crusade to convert all the infidels by the sword, and then it turned out the Bush political dynasty couldn't even survive starting a second stupid war after Afghanistan.

But it got her on TV and made her a bunch of money for a while, enough to live on still even though she's irrelevant now, and that's all she really wanted.

I knew her personally many years ago, and she told me of her plan to use her "tall blondness" to hypnotize the nerds in right wing think tanks (starting with Dinesh D'Souza) and climb up over their backs to become famous. While she is actually a far right nightmare of a person, she does not believe half the poo poo she says. Which makes it worse, of course.

predicto
Jul 22, 2004

THE DEM DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

If Matilda has to know, then we all have to share her burden.

Although, it was apparently back in 1994. So, she had already started her career of saying outrageous things when they dated, but she hadn't made it big yet.

https://twitter.com/MaraWilson/status/833118919757950976

I doubt Mara Wilson actually knows this to be the case. I would not be surprised if Ann Coulter has never actually slept with anyone other than her piles of money.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


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predicto posted:

I doubt Mara Wilson actually knows this to be the case. I would not be surprised if Ann Coulter has never actually slept with anyone other than her piles of money.

It's been an open secret since the days of "Politically Incorrect" in the mid 90's. Maher used to invite her on all the time and has basically confirmed that they "didn't date, but did see each other socially and were very close" in the 90's. Coulter herself hasn't technically confirmed it, but she refused to say no and told people it was none of their business when asked about it an interview.

I just thought it was funny that Matilda had posted it.

Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 04:11 on May 2, 2023

disposablewords
Sep 12, 2021

Hell, it was a joke in World War Z. (The book version, specifically. Haven't bothered with anything else.) There was some early story in it about rich celebrities pulling a Masque of the Red Death and holing up away from the world while the zombies spread, and while they weren't named it was really obviously Maher and Coulter mentioned in there as really just needing to shut up and gently caress already because people were getting sick of their screen personas at this little party.

predicto
Jul 22, 2004

THE DEM DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

It's been an open secret since the days of "Politically Incorrect" in the mid 90's. Maher used to invite her on all the time and has basically confirmed that they "didn't date, but did see each other socially and were very close" in the 90's. Coulter herself hasn't technically confirmed it, but she refused to say no and told people it was none of their business when asked about it an interview.

I just thought it was funny that Matilda had posted it.

Both of these climbers are going to say stuff like that. They know how to play the celebrity game, how to name drop and so forth. Doesn't mean they actually slept together.

Coulter is one of the most asexual people I have ever known (at least she was back then). But I could be wrong, of course.

predicto fucked around with this message at 04:40 on May 2, 2023

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

predicto posted:

Coulter is one of the most asexual people I have ever known (at least she was back then). But I could be wrong, of course.

I remember an old blogspot post that suggests otherwise.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
Coulter did Reddit AMAs where she said she didn’t give a poo poo besides having enough money to be comfortable and, what I remember well, not wanting to wake up earlyfor work.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

I AM GRANDO posted:

I remember an old blogspot post that suggests otherwise.

Ah, a classic.

Proust Malone
Apr 4, 2008

Professor Shark posted:

In the Trump thread someone posted a Fox poll that suggests the anti LGBTQ+ stuff is incredibly unpopular so I don’t even know why the Red Libertarian is jumping into that swamp

I get that she’s just a chud but still

https://twitter.com/davidoatkins/status/1651281534702460928?s=46&t=v69FFc9gmilk6I-vYnAGzw

I ran across this one on twitter which was surprising to me that it appears the average republican voternis way more left on economic issues than I assumed. It also makes clear why they push the culture war so hard. Also that the whole “socially liberal, economically conservative” people just don’t exist.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

Proust Malone posted:

https://twitter.com/davidoatkins/status/1651281534702460928?s=46&t=v69FFc9gmilk6I-vYnAGzw

I ran across this one on twitter which was surprising to me that it appears the average republican voternis way more left on economic issues than I assumed. It also makes clear why they push the culture war so hard. Also that the whole “socially liberal, economically conservative” people just don’t exist.

I can't find the article but NPR had a political scientist on a few years ago who said the same thing. A real 3rd Party would be a racist socially left party in the United States. The whole, if we just show we don't tax people thing is a bullshit position borne from corporate media that continually push that as the American center.

Also, people love benefits until they find out people of color get them and then will vote against expanding programs.

Caros
May 14, 2008

I AM GRANDO posted:

I remember an old blogspot post that suggests otherwise.

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 11 days!

VitalSigns posted:

Because she doesn't care about the Libertarian Party or ideology as such, she's in it to make money and homophobes will throw money at people who make them feel like they aren't stupid assholes clinging to the wrong side of history.

Same reason she's also militant about opposing women's right to vote. Obviously a disaster of a plank for a political party to tell 52% of the electorate to gently caress off, but she is not a politician. For an opportunist hoping to make money off of pandering to people, going to the James Damores of the world and telling them what they want to hear isn't a bad angle to make a little cash.

https://twitter.com/TRHLofficial/status/1653135509009334272?s=19
She's been posting this stuff nonstop for the past month. Though I have no idea how lucrative this grift really is. The libertarian crowd have leaned in pretty hard with the trans panic, I suppose because they got bored of whining about covid.

Enver Zogha
Nov 12, 2008

The modern revisionists and reactionaries call us Stalinists, thinking that they insult us and, in fact, that is what they have in mind. But, on the contrary, they glorify us with this epithet; it is an honor for us to be Stalinists.

Mooseontheloose posted:

I can't find the article but NPR had a political scientist on a few years ago who said the same thing. A real 3rd Party would be a racist socially left party in the United States.
One thing I notice is how champions of "free enterprise" have two conflicting claims about human beings.

The traditional one is that the mass of humanity naturally has "collectivist" and/or "leveling" impulses, hence the importance of keeping them away from political power since the accumulation of private property is the foundation for freedom, happiness, and enlightenment.

But in a society where the hoi polloi have at least some say in bringing a candidate into office, you can't really be like "argh the unwashed masses," so instead you get stuff like "capitalism is just human nature" and asinine attempts to argue capitalism has existed since the dawn of mankind.

So while a Thurston Howell cosplayer would be whining about how the very notion of free health care is an affront to natural law or whatever, a racist "populist" can just say stuff like "real Americans (i.e. white persons) work hard and can sustain a free health care system, but unfortunately the brown hordes get all sorts of free services while the [liberals/communists/globalists/Jews] force real Americans to pay outrageous sums."

Enver Zogha fucked around with this message at 02:07 on May 3, 2023

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Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




Grimey Drawer

How the gently caress are those things related.

Mooseontheloose posted:

I can't find the article but NPR had a political scientist on a few years ago who said the same thing. A real 3rd Party would be a racist socially left party in the United States. The whole, if we just show we don't tax people thing is a bullshit position borne from corporate media that continually push that as the American center.

Also, people love benefits until they find out people of color get them and then will vote against expanding programs.

I'm amazed it took a political scientist to tell us something the New Deal already demonstrated.

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